guys, i read a post of SEs one time saying how the only way to legally ban the gilsellers was to be 100% sure they are gilsellers. as obvious as it is to us, it wouldnt hold up much in a court of law, and u know they would take it there or someplace like it. as for SE being greedy...theyve alrdy banned alot of ppl from FFXI. dont get mad at SE, get mad at gilsellers...

I have nothing to say about the Windower crap, didn't really even know about it until today.

About the gilsellers, it isnt some greedy person in his house with several accounts, it is a greedy person owning a sweatshop in China, Hong Kong or any other country where you can legally pay some poor kid $130 a month or so for 10 hours a day work 5 days a week.
I heard something(I hear alot of things, and they are never true, but what the hell) one time about IGE owning a nice chunk of stock in SoE.
SE doesnt employ the gilsellers, it is SoE that does that.
And if they did start banning accounts for gilselling and making one of their major stockholders lose money from it, IGE could rock SoE's world.
And the gilsellers arent good, the smarter person who employs them has downloaded a hack, or cheat, that allows macros to constantly tab through Montsers and find the NMs as they are popping, and then Provoke will go off as soon as it spawns, even as its name is still in the gray.
Watch some bot in the dunes sometimes and pay close atention to their head, you will see what I mean. I sat there 2 hours one time and waited for the Emp to spawn, and Jaclolount was able to claim it while the Emp's name was still in the gray, as it was becoming yellow. But this doesnt really matter, flew off of track.

Whenever a GM will not do anything to those F***s that are obviously gilsellers, just remember, the company that gilseller works for could very well be paying part of the GMs paycheck.

About the update....1188 Shihei in one item slot is going to kick ***. ^_~

I am done.

I've actually seen these cheat(ers) in action. it's very disheartening i'll tell you that. but to see that SE is atleast TRYING to fix the problem, it makes me not so angry as SE. (though there are still many things that i don't like -.-;) they COULD not even TRY to fix it, but they are. and for that, i hereby give SE a blue participation ribbon. @=3

OK, my $0.02 - I don't post on here much but this topic is one I should voice my concerns over.

First of all - big thumbs up to SE on what actions they have been taking. Speed Hacks, Clipping Hacks and Bots should always be illegal in-game. Anything which is detrimental to other peoples enjoyment of the game should be dealt with in a zero-tolerence manner - something I don't think SE has quite gotten the hang of yet, their punishments are generally quite soft. But they're getting there.

But a few concerns. First, "gilsellers"... the amount of times I've seen someone cry, "Don't teleport ________, they're a gilseller!" is really depressing - it's the FFXI equivilent of a witchhunt. Burden of proof, and all that. It's just really disheartening to see people throwing accusations around at people - often, with no real purpose except to make the victims life a misery. Why don't we complain about THAT problem? It's a witchhunt, and a lot of innocent players who have worked their butts off in the game are being labelled as "gilsellers" by total (bleep) n00b-y idiots. When are we going to address THAT problem, eh? Or is the enjoyment of a few good, honest players a good price to pay to perhaps attempt to name-and-shame one genuine gilseller? I think it's awful that people get away with shouting this stuff in Jeuno. To me, it's insulting and degrading for those being accussed, as I said, I believe many of which may be honest players... I think my point on this topic is, irrespective of what evidence you have - you have an issue, take it to a GM, NOT the Shout feature...

And last point here, I hear a lot about the Windower - ok, it's a hack yadda yadda... but I still wonder exactly how it is detrimental to the enjoyment of others? From what I recall, people have been asking for SE to allow windowing for a LONG time (ever since I joined a year and a half ago, at least). It's a shame that people have to use a 3rd-party tool to window the game, but SE should have, and still should, implement a windowing function into the game. The 3rd-Party windower doesn't really change the way you play the game other than you can window it and check the web, e-mail or boot up things like Winamp or iTunes or whatever your fave music player is. I think SE should get on and modify things to allow FFXI to run in a windowed mode. I don't see how this hurts other people, or how it hurts the game overall. Maybe using the 3rd-party hack isn't the best way to make the point, but I think we should still keep asking for the ability to window the game... I'd certainly like it, since I'm looking at starting other crafts and the ability to window down and check recipe lists is quite appealing.


Overall though - I think SE do a good job. Not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, I'll grant you that, but good enough... I wish they were a little harder on some things but it's all about "burden of proof"... and if you have no proof of malice, or intent, or records, then there's not much you can do... but that's how many legal systems across the globe work, and it works just fine for the most part...

I am totally P***ed off that there are so many Bots on FFXI, I have spent a total of nearly 100 hours camping NM's for pieces of equipment that I need for jobs and I am yet to get 1 single drop. I have called GM's on "Notorious Gilsellers" many times, I even managed to compile a database of DEFINITE gilsellers by using a little Espionage and was told that not only did they already know that ALL these 130+ Characters were gilsellers, but they were powerless to do anything about them, WTF!!!

I also reported someone for selling a couple of stacks of Sole Sushi really low to drop the price thus making everyone do the same and then buying ALL the Sole Sushi on AH for ridiculously Cheap and selling it back on AH for a higher Profit, Surely this is a Monopoly, The one thing SE said they were cracking down on, so I reported him to a GM, To my Surprise, the answer I got was.......

" I am sorry to say that this user is in no way in violation of the user Agreement, in fact, it makes good business sense ".

Then I said to him that Monopolies were outlawed in the Terms of Contract and that a big thing was made out of the fact that people making monopolies were to be banned for unfair play. The answer I got in return was.......

" Yes _________, That is very true, the problem being that we have no authority to impose any sanctions on AH or interfere with the economy in any way "

Then I suggest to him that I get a Huge Consortium together, buy every unit of one particular item and sell them for 10x the price on AH and continue to buy every one that was placed on AH after and sell it for 10x the price we paid, I summed this up at the end by saying that I would destroy the economy of the server and ruin the game for everyone. He replied......

" That makes very good Business Sense, after all, it's a dog eat dog world ".

I was totally bewildered, these are the people who are always saying they will stamp out 3rd Party Bots and Game Enhancers, Gilsellers and Monopolisers and they are totally Nonchalant about the Blatant " Organised Crime " that is going on under their noses, WITH THEIR KNOWLEDGE!!!

I say that SE Should " Put up or Shut up!!! ", If they want people to follow the rules, then maybe they should remove the Cancer that is killing this game - The Gilsellers, NM bots, Monopolisers and the Greedy Dictators that run the FFXI " Underworld ".

This is just my opinion, I want everyone to have a fighting chance, everyone getting the armour they badly need to level with and not being excluded from parties because the Can't afford Emperor Pin, Leaping Boots or Erase and even more basic equipment than that. I don't want to see someone else making money out of what I have spent 3 weeks and 500k gil levelling cooking for.

Notorious Monsters are for the Masses, not just the few who use bots to CHEAT their way to riches, BCNM are for the higher players, by all means, sell BCNM drops for whatever you wish, I don't have a problem with that........... A new player going to buy Gil because he can't even afford the simplest of armour, there is something wrong there.

SE must be laughing their Asses off over this whole thing, they are raking in Millions of Dollars, Pounds, Euros, Yen and every other currency every month and what do we get in return??

1) Poor servers
2) Unstable Gameplay
3) A Gaming World filled with " Organised Crime ".
4) A total lack of Respect for the paying Customer.

There are so many I could list, Basically, they have created a world where the Evil dominate the Good, where money is Master and where the Weak get crushed while the Strong get Stronger or should I say, Rich get Richer.

I know for a fact when I started in October 2004, I had to fend for myself, I started the game with nothing and I built myself to a personal fortune of a steady 2 million, by crafting and using the small profits to buy my new armour, having spent months mining, then 3 weeks levelling Cooking from 0 to 97, every step of the way was of my own making, a little moral support from friends I made along the way, but I was the one who made the money for myself, the hard way!! Now I DON'T resent the fact that I DIDN'T buy Gil because I played honest and I came good in the end.

So anyway, that's what I think, I believe in Fair play and even though I did things the hard way, I will never turn my back on someone that needs help, because I Remember how hard it was to be a NOOB lol.

Peace to all my Friends in GINI and a Safe Journey to the other World (WoW) for those sadly departed.

I am Thf on the Titan Server and have never owned an EMP Pin. I decided enough was enough, got there and a kind BST was nice enough to who me spawn points and said see those three people they are each standing in the main spots. Good luck trying to get it from them, they are gil sellers. I thought maybe i could beat them. WRONG. Needless to say i wasted a ton of time just to get smocked by those three perps. They got the drop and one ran back to jueno to sell. Makes no sense how SE or GMs can't see stuff like this happen. Just look at the damn sell list. Now to a possible solution, i don't post much, so please don't rip me a new one. ***What if SE made all of those high drops like emp pin and peacock charm Rare/Ex drops, so they can't be sold or traded. You get it you use it. Yes i know it could take away potential money earnning by camping NMs, but there are others ways to make gil. People can get into crafting more or farming normal items, etc.***Another viable option someone already mentioned, just put a cap on the amount certain items can be sold for, but personally i like the first one ^^***
Happy hunting all you honest adventurers, cheaters eat me!!

IMHO, this new windower v3.2 is great, especially for Summoners! there is a new feature called BloodPace that is a timer for your blood pacts that works even when the avatar is dismissed. This is a key element of what needs to be done to fix summoner and someone did it before SE took their sweet time deciding if they really think SMN is a gimp job or not. Also, it makes parties better with a exp chain timer and it lets you see your party mates TP which eliminates spam of tp macros. On top of that, it lets you run the game in windowed mode. whats wrong with that people?

I think its fairly obvious. If you want to play this game, play by the rules. As for anyone going I dont think SE can do this or SE can do that, they can do anything they ******* want to cause we agree to follow their rules. If anyone has a problem with this then thay obviously are doing things to cheat other players. Frankly I am more offended by some ******* stealing my claims or being able to see an NM pop before it even spawns than some rich ************* who sucks so ******* hard he cant earn his own gil. I dont give a **** what armor your wearing, how does that make my game play anyless enjoyable. I think that its good SE is starting to crack down on this ****. Also, I'm glad that they are maintaning a zero tolerance policy on gil sellers, sold accounds, hackers and 3rd parties. If you are making money off of playing this game by doing any of the above then obviously you mind breaking a law. Not a game rule, but the ******* law. Besides, if your good enough to be doing **** like this and not get caught, go to work for SE, at least you get a retirement package and vacation time. End of rant!

man i hate botter they been stealing ALL my NM i manage to get 1 tho <valkrum Emperor> but no drop they bott on almost every single good-NM
they just left like that 1 ghost nm near sandy place they stole the leaping that i waited about a few hour -.- i dont really care about gilseller i just dont like botter...i hope pol ban all botter!!!!!!!!!

Edited, Fri Jul 8 16:50:52 2005

Look, this game is for people to play, party, farm, ect. And the price for all those things WAITING Using bots is just showing that you have NO patience and are cheating us honest players from chances at NM. Because SE is trying to keep the game how it was made... People like you that are complaining because they try to enfource their rules need to suck it up.

Woah internet farted sorry... 4 posts lol

Edited, Thu Jul 7 22:49:08 2005

I play my game i have it on the ps2 an pc i also have 3 accounts with 3 mules each if they banned me for whatever reason thats cool because they will be losing out on at least $45.00 dollars a month plus since i started i've noticed a decline in activity on my server not as many ppl playing now, as for the hackers and gil sellers and buyers have fun while it lasts.