It took me 2 years to complete CoP. That was mostly trying to get things done up to Ouryu, and then I was fortunate to get a good static and we went from Sacrarium to Sea in a couple of months.

It was a grind, to be certain. We had a very strong success record (1/1 on Snoll Tzar, 1/1 on O/U, 1/1 on Tenzen, etc.) and it was because we showed up prepared and ready go fight.

Do I resent SE for toning down the difficulty of these missions? NO.

Why?

Because people paid their hard-earned money for an expansion, much of the content they haven't been able to access because PUGs for CoP suck in general, and too many players started avoiding CoP like the plague because they couldn't clear the Promyvions ("omfg wut teh hell r animas and y r we farming them insted of fiting teh boss!?!?").

I do believe that the aversion people have to CoP is because for the most part, if you take Joe Average player out of an exp party and put them into something that actually requires collaboration and strategy, they fall down....hard. Nevertheless, it is just a game, and when you pay for content that you simply can't access due to the difficulty of the missions, I think 2+ years after release of that content is a perfectly appropriate time to tone down the challenge a bit.

The players who could manage the strategy (and had a bit of luck...let's be honest) had their challenge and now is a good time to open the flood gates for everyone else.

I did CoP ages ago.

I still think this is a long-overdue update.

SE isnt saying 'Hi we're about to make Sea REALLY easy for everyone to get kthx' what they are saying is they have *finally* came to understand that some of these missions are a little too hard for the more casual player. Yes I did enjoy the challenge of CoP being difficult.... but then again, the only fights I lost too on my first try with my static was the one where you already have Sea access, against the funny pot things, and also the prommys took me 2 attempts for each one. Oh Mammets was 2 attempts aswell. Everything else, including Snoll and Airship... was first try. I'm glad they're making it *some* of the fights easier (yeah, they arent making everything easier here... that escort quest is still going to be a long-*** mission). It'll mean more people will have sea, so we'll be able to start seeing more people make use of Sea. Since I got it, I"ve been up a couple of times for Organ Farming, BLU spells, and Limbus. That's it. Havent even been back in the Garden place. Seems like before the introduced Limbus having Sea was pointless (unless you have time to play a lot and can afford to be in a LS that undertakes a lot of Sea farming.)

Ugh, all these people ******** about the update, stfu and go ***** somewhere else! I know, it's supposed to be hard, and all the people that did it alrdy are über players with OMGSEA and a Rajas Ring!

Well, you alrdy did it, now stfu and go play some more. No need to be ******** about everything and especially all the "I DID IT WHILE IT WAS HARD!" Speeches... , just drop it.

I know many hardcore players who finished CoP quite early after it came out, and from all those players I am sure they would never post anything like what I have read here. They are almost all modest players, mostly adults, and they act their age.

Most of you are just trying to be considered one of the top players but still havent made it at all... meaning in your own eyes, you still fail... but you hope other players think you are the best! Why care about it being made a little easier if you alrdy did it? Shouldn't you be glad about how now other people who didnt get the chance yet maybe now will get more chance to finish it? So more friends can join battles in newer areas and more people can enjoy the game to its full extent?

Just my 2 cents...now stop the bragging and go play some more.

-Art

Edited, May 18th 2007 4:03pm by SirensArtemus

Wow....first stick it to the experienced players by telling the slow players "Hey, don't lose XP now!"

Now they slap on the barbwire condom and give it to ya by saying "Now we are going to reward you for being a terriable slow player!"

I support all the circumstantial changes, and would suggest more of them, even, such as having Job ability recast timers recharged upon entry to BC (including 2h), or easy transport to BC if you've already made the trip there.

The main problem for these was the inconveniance of retrying them if you don't win the first time.

They could make all the changes thay want. The one change I would not want is to the difficulty of the actual fight :\ That effectively cheapens the accomplishment of completing it.

If they made these missions very easy and conveniant to try and retry over and over, with possible benifits to everyone (and the same original difficulty), I think doing CoP missions would become a new fad, and the playerbase would have fun doing them often, like many other activities in the game.

SE is missing this opertunity. It will be just as hard and inconveniant to find people and try these missions, but the accomplishment will be cheapened.

They can do better than this :\

Edited, May 18th 2007 9:48am by JonnyWolf

1/1 CoP. I'm glad I finished mine when it was somewhat a challenge. I can't imagine how much lol of a mission it will be after the update. Good news for those who didn't do it though.

Get ready for the RMT invasion of Sea. I know some are there now, but they will come in droves now. Sea will be as crowded as Sky.

And good luck getting the Limbus zone you need. That will be so crowded now, you'll never get that Omega or Ultima chip you need to complete a set.

Getting Sea used to mean something. Now, it's almost nothing.

Promy Dem: 1/3
Promy Mea: 1/2
Promy Holla: 1/19
Promy Vazhl: 1/2

Airship Fight: 1/4 (Best fight ever!)
Tenzen Fight: 1/2


These really aren't that hard. Sure you may get a really bad pick up group and something terrible goes wrong, but that's why you practice and become prepared for these things.

On the other hand, this would be pretty good money to make for lazy ppl not willing to farm themselves...

I am glad I finished it and actually accomplished something....

Bout damn time....


***** Promyvians. Getting there isnt a problem its the damn Boss Battle.

I go all the time prepared but every party I have had came unprepared. Why is it that I can farm three Animas, bring Food, Persikos au Lait Regen Drinks, antidotes, HiPots+2, ninja tools and nobody else can? No one wants to do these promyvians after they have done them once and I dont blame them, they suck. Worse rated expansion so far. To be honest, this expansions story line so far isnt that great. I am on Zilart Mission 17 and that was a kick *** story line from the begining. This one seems to dull. I have hopes that it will pick up though if I can only get through this stupid promy mission. Between all the promyies, I am as of last nights Promyvian - Mea run, 0/15. I should get a mercy win from SE.

I thought it was supposed to be difficult on purpose.

Hey, I know, let's nerf Maat too. Maybe make him half-strength. That way new players can feel the same sense of accomplishment as the rest of us, but not have to actually work for it!

Seriously, now that you can select your world when you create a character, maybe you should be able to select an "original" world or a "noob" world, and only put all of these new handicap features in the "noob" worlds.