Beware Capital One -- A Consumer's Story

Yeah I know this has nothing to do with EQ or DAoC, and I'm not normally one to use this as a pulpit for things like this, but after a couple of hours on the phone on this, I figured I would give people a heads up about this company's practice. I have (soon will have had) a Capital One Credit Card. You know the one with those cute "what's in your wallet" commercials. It's actually under my wife's name, which has some bearing on this. Well today I get a call from "Rod" from "The Account Solutions Group", a collection agency, stating that our credit card payment is overdue. Amazed, I tell him that this is impossible, since I pay the card off each month and in fact just sent in a payment last week. He of course insists, in very strong and insistant terms, that we owe Capital One money. Basically, he was rude as hell. Well after much hassle back and forth from him, I finally get out of him that he is looking for a "Tony Moyer", male, born in 1979, instead of "Toni Moyer", female, born in 1965. Great. So I figure it's just a stupid, if unpleasant, mistake. Nevertheless, to be safe, I call Capital One to make sure they do not have us listed as delinquent and that our credit rating has not been affected. After the usual wait on hold and a transfer, I finally get to "Kevin" of customer service. He tells me that there should be no problem with our credit report since the account would be under a different social security number. But I insist he look further since someone got our number to call us and harass us, so I figure someone thought that was our account. Then he says the most amazing thing: that if they can't track down the actual debtor, the collection ageny will typically pull every phone number in Capitol One's database with the same name as the person who owes them money and call them all to try to collect their debt. I'm like "are you saying that just because some Tony Moyer in Podunk owes you money, you called us and accused us of being delinquent?" Basically yes. There were 15 variations of Toni Moyer in their database and apparantly they called them all over this single debt. They didn't call us by mistake as much as mistakenly called us. He claimed that was the price we are supposed to pay for getting that low interest rate. So of course I told him to cancel my account. Then, after I had hung up, it occured to me that a company this unscrupulous and unethical could not be trusted to not somehow mess with our credit rating, so I decided I had better get a letter from them confirming that our credit with them was fine just to have on file somewhere. Plus, I had to make sure what he told me was truly correct, because it seemed so incredulous to me. So I called back and eventually got to 'Nancy" in customer service. Yes indeed she confirmed, we will call everyone necessary to collect a debt. "Even if the age, sex, and social security number all don't match?" You bet. That is apparantly a company policy. I believe the exact quote was "Capital One will do whatever is necessary to collect a debt". Apparantly even if it means hassling people who have absolutely no connection to the debtor beyond a similar name. So if you are considering getting a Capital One credit card, keep in mind that if anyone with your name owes them money, you can expect to get a similar phone call from a collection agency accusing you of not paying your debts. In addition, I ask you to consider this. If they will use the information you provide them in this unsavory manner, how else will they use it? I of course only know about this incident, but do you want to take the chance that this is the only way they will twist your data? Is this the type of company you want to deal with? You may want to consider a different company, and if you currently have a Capital One Card, you may want to consider another option before you too get a call like this.
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Not just Capitol One
# May 08 2002 at 11:21 AM Rating: Default
For about a week, I recieved a call from some bank concerning my Visa account. (All the calls came while I was at work, so they left messages) I never bothered to return any of the calls since I didn't have Visa card with the bank and since I didn't want a Visa card. They finally called when I was home one morning. They wanted me to pay on my deliquent account. I told them I wouldn't pay because I didn't have an account with them. After 5 minutes of verifying to them that I was the person they were seeking, they hung up. After a bit, I became concerned about identity theft and called them back to verify that someone was not using my identity, since they had my phone number. They were just calling evreybody in the phone book with the same name.

But it doewsn't end there. For the next week, there was a message on my machine asking me to call about my Visa account. I returned the calls every other day since I had already taken care of the matter. In the second week, they left a nasty little message on my answering machine asking me to "...please do the decent thing and return their phone calls." I blew up. I called the next morning, immediately asked for a supervisor and read him the riot act. I also the next call they placed to my house would be sent to the State's Attorney-General's office. The calls finally stopped.

So you are at risk whether you have a credit card or not. As long as you are listed in the phone book, chances are you'll get a call like this for some deadbeat that shares your name.
O ya
# May 08 2002 at 11:05 AM Rating: Default
When i got my first Capital one card they sent me a delinquent payment notice THEN sent me my card and account information.. took us a few weeks to get it worked out. They could not understand how a mistake like that could of been made.

The other mistake they make is on depositing payments. They are required by law to deposit and credit your account the same day the payment is recieved.. but as i understand it that rarely happens do to accidents in billing/recieving.
I say watch out for Capital one.. they have Accidents that benifit them all the time
First American
# May 08 2002 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
one more thing they say that are based in Canada and have office in USA but the bank account over the phone is really freaking me out.
they wont tell thaty they want your account number untill they get your adress and such so you may want to stop them cold.
screw capitol 1
# May 08 2002 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
Use your Visa Check Card (mine is throiugh Wells Fargo), has no intrest rate, can be used everywhere Visa is excepted, takes the money directly from your account.If you have direct deposit you can barrow aginst your next check for the low intrest rate 0f 7% of the ammount barrowed.
RE: screw capitol 1
# May 08 2002 at 1:02 PM Rating: Excellent
The statement you made (and the banks make) regarding being able to use a VISA check card the same places you use VISA is not true. The wife and I had a Las Vegas vacation last year. Part of the arangements I made were for a rental car at Thrifty rental. When we landed in Vegas, we got a shuttle over to Thrifty to pick up the car, and they wouldn't accept any kind of "check card" - it had to be a regular VISA, MC, AMEX, etc. Thankfully, I had the VISA with me, or we'd have been unable to get a car that day.

This is the only place this has happened to me, but if there's one, there could be others.
RE: screw capitol 1
# May 08 2002 at 5:16 PM Rating: Decent
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55 posts
Basicly here's the situation with car rentals and credit cards.

They take ANYTHING as a payment. Except cash. (Which I found out is legal. Cash is legal tender for all DEBTS, public and private, and can't be legally refused as payment for a debt. But for renting the car they insist you pay BEFORE driving away, so if you can't pay without using cash they don't let you drive away, there is no DEBT and they don't have to take your cash. Freaking silly loophole.)

BUT.....

They have to attach a REAL credit card (credit not debit) to the contract in case you take off with their car or damage it so they can charge your credit card. (Remember they can charge AS MUCH as they WANT in a single transaction, your credit line not withstanding, you will just be over your limit if they charge the 36,000 dollar replacement cost of a new Mustang on your account.)

Also remember that anytime you use a "VISA" or other credit card (or debit card with CC company logo) the CC company charges a fee to the VENDOR. That's right they charge whoever you are paying about 2.50 each transaction. Reason? Because THEY are INSURING payment. You pay 36.54 and THEY get 34.04 and the CC company gets 2.50

Which is why most places require a minimum purchase on CC transactions. Doesn't make much sense to pay 2.50 on a 1.75 transaction. (Don't laugh, my friend's girlfriend worked at Subway and charged her half-price sandwich every other day for a month. Total loss for the Subway owner was nearly 40 bucks.)
RE: screw capitol 1
# May 08 2002 at 4:08 PM Rating: Decent
There are those out there who don't know that "debit /check" card are totally transacted through visa (or mastercard ....) the idea that it is some how different is due to those slider machines at local grocery stores where you can select debit as the transation type. Don't . This is essentially an atm withdrawal... subject to what ever cross bank fees may occur. If your lucky like me your "debit" card doesn't say anything special on it and no desk clerk will know the difference ,thus avoiding the " DUH this thingy is not good here " you may otherwise be victim to.
RE: screw capitol 1
# May 08 2002 at 11:19 AM Rating: Excellent
Just had a quick little aside for you on one point. You said, "If you have direct deposit you can barrow aginst your next check for the low intrest rate 0f 7% of the ammount barrowed." Just wanted to make sure you understand that statement. You borrow your own money(granted you don't have it yet, but it is essentially yours), and you pay the bank 7%. My advice, wait a week for your check to get deposited and avoid paying the bank 7% interest from "borrowing" your own money. God knows that do that to you enough. After all, you do realize that the bank doesn't just put your money in a vault and wait for you to come withdraw it right? They invest it and get anywhere from 10-30% return on it, and pay you anywhere from 0-4% depending on the "level" of account you qualify for.
RE: screw capitol 1
# May 08 2002 at 1:20 PM Rating: Decent
AMEN!
First American
# May 08 2002 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
they want to give me a credit card and ask my bank account number over the phone ).
i say no they still call me about 5 times in last week or so.
iam getting fed up,i'll tell then to put me on NO CALL if they do not i'll get a lawyer
RE: First American
# May 08 2002 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
Unfortunately, as having work as a telemarketer for a breif and self degrading time, I understand a bit of how the "No Call" list works. Most companies that market over the phone receives phone number lists from multiple sources, ours did from 3 different Data bases. Doing this allows them, BY LAW, to place your number on only that lists "No Call" list. Leaving them room to call again and again using other lists from other sources. Shady, slimy, and completely in line with modern business tactics.
Also understand that everytime you sign up for anything, ANYTHING, giving your telephone number and especially your SS number, you will be replaced into most all of those databases again. "No Call" lists buy you only enough time for them to reach in their left hand drawer and pull out a new list from a new source. Placing yourself on as many "No Call" lists as you can will finally stop them all, well until you purchase anything or sign up for something else, then it will load you back into all of them again.
A couple tactics I use to avoid all of this as best I can:
1. The next time you ever call a number and receive a Disconected Message, write that number down. The next time you sign up for asomething that requires a phone number, use this number there. Warning do not do this with something that would return to you adverse effects, such as fraudulent information. To avoid this dont do it to things of high importance, only to the little things like starting up a new email, or signing up for a Fantasy Football League. If you feel really vindictive recall a number of a place that bugs you to call them about special deals or the like, ie those who call you repeatedly, and use their number when signing up for things. Or if you really want to ***** with them give them the number for the local law inforcement.... but this could be traced back to you... get on your best "playing stupid" look and have a good "Oops I gave them the wrong number?" line.

2. When Telemarketers call take the time to take up as much of their time as you can, ask every question you can think of to keep them on the line and then ask them all again. They will think they are getting a sale out of it so they will continue. Then after you have taken as much of their time as you can tell them they did not sell you on it and then say "Place me on the no call list." This of course requires patience but is delightfully good revenge. Also if enough people did this maybe all the TMs would get discouraged and give up the whole farce (yeah right). Remember that they will be losing possible sales during the time you are taking away from them, let them realise that they have the most horrible job in the world. Some things to consider, NEVER say any words that would possibly be considered to be an affermation of purchase they can use it against them. They will ask trapping questions to get you to a possitve response cycle and trap you with a question that saying any form of yes to will bind you to purchase, Legally &^(. Keep your asswers vague but sound as enthusiastic as you can, like saying WOW to the strong points, LOL.

3. Critique their pitch, tell them how to better do it. Ask them to repeat it but with a different flair, or ask them to try a better accent with it, do anything to have fun with them, be mercilous!

4. Ask them out, tell them their voice is sexy! This works best if they are of the same sex, heheh! If by chance they flirt back threaten to talk to their supervisor for sexual harrassment.

5. Mumble, talk pleasantly but REALLY loud, burp every ten seconds, talk like you have had a stroke and if they say anything about not being able to uderstand you, cry, ALOT!

6. The old Seinfeld trick, "I am sorry I am busy right now, but if you give me you number I will call you back shortly. Oh your not allowed to give out your number? Probly so people wont bother you while your busy? Well then you know how I feel!"


Now most of these Wont keep them from calling, but like I said maybe enough people doing this will make people less inclined to work for these companies. Plus it lets you have some fun at the expese of a shrew, everytime they call!
RE: First American
# May 08 2002 at 3:56 PM Rating: Default
HA!

I have done ALL of these things! I LOVE coming on to the guys! They get all defensive! The girls on the phone...LOL. Just start breathing heavy, and say things like: "I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE. I LOVE YOU. IF I CAN'T HAVE YOU NO ONE CAN!!!!"

Scares the F*CK outta them. I know when I was a TM, I would always get a kick out of those calls.
Background on CC Comanys
# May 08 2002 at 10:34 AM Rating: Default
I work in the banking industry. I just thought I would share a bit of what I have learned over the yrs.
First, Visa and MasterCard are both owned by the same (anonomous) parent company.
Discover is an ok way to go if you charge alot each month, as you get a wee little bit of money back on your purchases, but you need to pay off your balance at the end of the month really get the money back. On the backside, alot of merchants dont allow Discover, as they charge your merchant too much money.
I personally dont have a Credit Card. I put 10% of my salary in savings for emergancies, and if I dont have the money to buy something, I must not Really need it. Yes I have other loans (car, house) so I am building credit. I guess, I dont like giving some multi-billion dollar company my hard earned money.

Just my 2 cp

Discover
# May 08 2002 at 9:44 AM Rating: Decent
If the places around you take it (the major problem with this card: not many people take it, especially on college campuses), then Discover is a good card. I have never recieved any debtors calls from them (maybe noone else with my name has a card?), but also I don't get junk mail at my billing address. In fact I don't get any mail, but that is a different issue. =) I have had this card for years (infact I got it to get something on my credit report so I could buy my computer) and never had a problem with them. So if it is available in your area, I would recommend Discover.

Adolin
52 Dwarf Warrior
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P.S. No, I don't work for Discover. =)
RE: Discover
# May 08 2002 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
Another heads up...I would suggest against Discover. Here's why, they have differing contract terms on different accounts, one of the absolute worst practices I have seen with a credit card company is done on some Discover accounts, and no, it's not a secret, it's just hard to understand. All of their terms are listed with the card and statement every time you get a bill, you just need to have a financial dictionary next to you to understand them all. Anyways, one of Discover's practices is to charge an "average" monthly interest rate. What they do is take the amount due last month and the amount due the current month and average together the interest owed. This is why some of you that have paid off your discover card in full one month may have wondered why you got a bill the following month for a few more dollars. They averaged last month(you just paid it off) and the current month(since it's paid off now the balance is $0.). Given that situation, you still owed them money. Lovely, yes? Oh, and that whole 2% cash back thing...think about it, your interest rate is anywhere from 7-23%, and they pay you back 2% of what you charged. I'll give you a $1 bill if you give me a $50.
insider scoop
# May 08 2002 at 9:21 AM Rating: Decent
A few things about Capital One from a previous employee.
-Phone reps are not so much there to help you. They are there to sell you crap at the end of the call.(ask to not be solicited when you call)
-Mercedes Benz Credit is handled by Capital One but they don't want you to know that.
-Capital One hires and fires so many people every month you are most likely speaking with someone who has not had enough training.
-You can usually get what you want if you threaten to speak with a regulatory agency.
-If you have a secured card don't plan on it being unsecured anytime soon if ever.
-Plan on being solicited for a second and third card with an AMF rather than recieving a credit increase on your present account.
-CapOne makes a ton of money from selling your personal information to others. You can call and have this stopped.*tip- make sure you ask for all the choices available to you.
-If you have a specialty card don't call after say 6pm.
Mercedes-CapOne
# May 08 2002 at 9:06 AM Rating: Decent
A few things about Capital One from a previous employee.
-Phone reps are not so much there to help you. They are there to sell you crap at the end of the call.(ask to not be solicited when you call)
-Mercedes Benz Credit is handled by Capital One but they don't want you to know that.
-Capital One hires and fires so many people every month you are most likely speaking with someone who has not had enough training.
-You can usually get what you want if you threaten to speak with a regulatory agency.
-If you have a secured card don't plan on it being unsecured anytime soon if ever.
-Plan on being solicited for a second and third card with an AMF rather than recieving a credit increase on your present account.
-CapOne makes a ton of money from selling your personal information to others. You can call and have this stopped.*tip- make sure you ask for all the choices available to you.
-If you have a specialty card don't call after say 6pm.
Mercedes-CapOne
# May 08 2002 at 9:06 AM Rating: Excellent
A few things about Capital One from a previous employee.
-Phone reps are not so much there to help you. They are there to sell you crap at the end of the call.(ask to not be solicited when you call)
-Mercedes Benz Credit is handled by Capital One but they don't want you to know that.
-Capital One hires and fires so many people every month you are most likely speaking with someone who has not had enough training.
-You can usually get what you want if you threaten to speak with a regulatory agency.
-If you have a secured card don't plan on it being unsecured anytime soon if ever.
-Plan on being solicited for a second and third card with an AMF rather than recieving a credit increase on your present account.
-CapOne makes a ton of money from selling your personal information to others. You can call and have this stopped.*tip- make sure you ask for all the choices available to you.
-If you have a specialty card don't call after say 6pm.
Some advice
# May 08 2002 at 9:05 AM Rating: Default
I hate to say this but this is standard operating procedure for any company that does loans. In fact if they are only going by the poeple in their database then consider yourself lucky.

I have been hounded by debt collectors for years because I share a name with one, they find me in the phone book. I have been threathened, harressed, and followed. All because I have the same first and last name as someone who owes many people a lot of money. Completely different Social Security, Address, and ages. They don't care, they only want their money they don't care who they get it from.

I have had calls threatening criminal prosecution, unless I pay up right then. I had a car repo man follow me around for 2 days hoping I would lead him to a Corvette that he was supposed to get back for the bank.

It can all lead to a great amount of frustration. Don't let your frustration let you make a slip of the tongue that could cost you hundreds or thousands of dollars.



A few words of advice if you have someone with the same name that owes debt then you need to take a few steps to protect yourself.

1. NEVER GIVE OUT YOUR Social Security number. If you get a call that is for something that is not right. Ask them what the last 4 digits on the Soc. Sec. is. If it is not yours then simply say sorry you have the wrong person, and bye. Then hang up.

2. Never give phone number, address or any other personal information to a collector when they call you.

3. If it becomes a consistent prolem like it has for me. (my evil double as I call him, has run up over 100K in debt by my counting. so I get alot of calls) Consider changing your phone number to a new unlisted one.

4. If a collector shows up at your door and won't listen to reason, call the police. Explain it to the police when they arrive that he has the wrong person and won't leave you alone. EXPLAIN TO THE OFFICER THAT YOU WOULD RATHER NOT GIVE OUT PERSONAL INFORMATON IN FRONT OF THE COLLECTOR. Show him your soc. sec. card to him only. Then he can compare it to what the collector has.

5. Last piece of advice be paranoid! No matter who/what calls you. Be paranoid!

For the last 3 years I have been going through this. The main problem is that eventually creditors find someone they can intimidate and get to pay the debt even if it is not their own.
MBNA
# May 08 2002 at 8:48 AM Rating: Decent
Just a little notice to any MBNA customers out there. I've been selling an item on Ebay recently for just over $2000. I've had one guy from Indonesia offer me $4900 for it. The catch? He's offered me 4 different card numbers to charge it to. All are cards with someone elses name on them. In fact, none of the cards have the same name on them.

All these cards are were issued by MBNA. All had not yet been reported as stolen. Somehow, this guy got access to MBNAs records and has been purchasing large dollar items on stolen card numbers for a while now.

Check your statement if you use MBNA. If there is a fraudelent charge and you dont catch it and send a payment... it's no longer considered a fraudelent charge. You accepted responsibility for it.
Stay away from credit cards
# May 08 2002 at 8:47 AM Rating: Default
Fyrewalker is correct. Take a little time to re-read his post:) If you manage your money right and stay away from credit you can be wealthy and change your family tree. Check out Dave Ramsey at http://www.daveramsey.com/streaming_show/listen.cfm
and listen to some of the archives or listen live to his broadcast. It could change your life in a few years ;)
Capital One
# May 08 2002 at 8:35 AM Rating: Default
My wife had Capital One and they raised her interrest rate. Because when she opened the account we had transferred several higher interest cards too that account. Well about 9 months in they raised her interest rate saying she was a bad risk,Because at the rate she was adding to the principle the balance will have been paid off before the introductory LOW interest expired
She got the last laugh however when they did that she just went into savings and paid off the balance.
Give em Hell Best Regards Lemb :)
Life sucks, then you get a bill.
# May 08 2002 at 8:34 AM Rating: Decent
I am 19. I have my own trailer, my own car, my own pet, my own bank account. I spend $900 a month in bills. I was hoping to get a Credit Card to help with the bills, and they told me I am not able to get a Credit Card for 2 more years. Why? Insufficient Credit Data. Sure, I can go with the scam companies, but I want to go with Visa. My Father, Mother, and Stepfather all had a Visa card at one time or another, and had no problem with them. Mastercard? APR is too high. American Express? Not accepted where I live. Capital One? Read the post. It really hurt to be told I couldn't get a card, since I make about 1200 a month, and the government takes 300-400 of that, which makes it hard to pay my bills. Any suggestions people? A second job is out, I already work from 7am to 7pm.

James Carson

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RE: Life sucks, then you get a bill.
# May 08 2002 at 10:23 AM Rating: Default
find someplace cheaper to live lol..you definately do not want to get credit cards to help pay and manage your bills..you will just put yourself deeper into debt that you will not be able to get out of until you end up in bankruptcy court..believe me..been there and done it..credit cards are best used as quick use purchase or large secure purchases that you know you can pay off in a short period of time...once you get a large amount on a card, unless you can make bulk payments, you will only be paying interest on it for the rest of your life..example..you have a card with 1000.00 limit on it..if you max it your monthly payment will be about 29.00 a month..of this 29.00 paid 20.00 of it will be MONTHLY interst on the card.. 4.00 of it will be put towards various fees..the other 5.00 left will be put towards your actuall principle..so your $1000.00 credit card just got paid down to $995.00..so you see instead of paying your card down you just lost 24.00 in fees just for owning one with a balance
RE: Life sucks, then you get a bill.
# May 08 2002 at 10:25 AM Rating: Default
oh yah forgot to add..next month since your principle only paid it down to $995.00 you now get hit with an over the limit fee because that 20.oo interset just threw yuou over..now your charged an extra 30.00 on top of your normal fee..
RE: Life sucks, then you get a bill.
# May 08 2002 at 11:35 AM Rating: Decent
Here's another option - if you'd like to build credit at least. Be a Co-signer with someone you "Trust" on items, the risk they don't pay you have to. Another way to build credit is to take out a small loan say 500 or 1000 dollars. Don't spend that money. Just use it to pay off your loan... you'll end up spending less than 100 dollars on interest usually with a decent bank it's about 50 to 60 dollars but it gives your credit a huge boost. Do that a few times then you can take out a larger loan at a low interest rate which is usually much better than any credit card rate you'll get.
Screw the Customer!
# May 08 2002 at 8:27 AM Rating: Excellent
Good thinking, to badger them back about the account until you found out they had the wrong person!

Being of modest living, not incurrring some debt is practically impossible. The best thing I ever learned is Keep Copies of Everything! Don't throw away that statement or receipt, take a good look at everything!

At 16, my mother got a big bill for doctor's fees, and paid most of it off. Then she got a collection notice, which stated $1700 - $1400 = $1300. She had to mail copies of that letter, the $1400 check she mailed them. When I was 19 and living independently, another miscalculation on the part of my creditors took months to fix - if I hadn't bothered to doublecheck, I would have paid an extra $600. And at $6.13 an hour, $600 is a LOT of money!

It lands closer to home too - I quit going to a local Food Lion after the last four or five visits were marked by overcharged merchandise and discovering that items didn't make it into my grocery bag after they were scanned.

I think in many places "***** the Customer" is company policy. They think they have a right to our money, and the freedom to obtain it by any means necessary. I can't help but wonder, at what point has capitalism gone too far, and if the natural checks and balances of capitalism aren't nullified by modern conglomerates and data collection technology?
RE: Screw the Customer!
# May 08 2002 at 9:01 AM Rating: Default
hi i was reading and i have to say the same for capital one. I always paided my bills on time with a payment of way over the amount sent in to pay off faster. Well after i paid them off because i was paying 21% interest and the fact that they was also charging me a yearly fee i went to a lower rate of 9.88% with all that said i turned in my card and wrote the letter explaining i no longer needed capital ones services as to my suprise they sent me a bill for yearly fees for the month ok i though well it might of fell in that time frame so i paid it.
Then the next month the same thing so i called them and they said ok we will remove it but they had not cancled my card after i had asked them to a month ago but asured me that they would do it right now but not to charge any thing so my account would remain at 0% i told them how could i charge anything i had turned in my card to them already geeze. So no i have received a bill and there way of keeping the account open is on this bill or statement it says i owe nothing but at bottem of the bill it says they owe me 5cent ok so now i guess they will charge me a fee on the next bill because there is what they call an open acount because they cant get there (business together i looked and i have a Kmart card who is threw captial one GREAT... so after i pay it off i will cancel them as well. I will never own another capital one card again. They are rude on the phone and tell you anything to shut you up.

ok i said my piece sorry it was long :) just upset looks like someone could do something about this mess
Capital One
# May 08 2002 at 8:26 AM Rating: Default
RE: Capital One
# May 08 2002 at 9:34 AM Rating: Default
My daughter has a cpt. one card and has had many problems with them. She even tried to get them to cancel it and they talked her into raising it even though she doesnt use it ne more. She sent a payment and one week later they were calling again and asking for more and she told them she just sent a payment. They check their files and said oh, yes, we see, but we want more.
Instruct your spouses/companions not to answer for you or ne one else concerning capital one. They ask for them also. We screen calls now.
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Capital One
# May 08 2002 at 8:26 AM Rating: Default
Same type problems
# May 08 2002 at 8:12 AM Rating: Decent
My father-in-law who is 80 and lives with me and my husband had the same type problems with his Capitol One card. They constantly "lost" payments he sent in and then charged him late fees. He would have me fax them his bank statement showing that the check to them had *cleared his bank* before their due date, and they still wouldn't remove the late fees. But the final straw came when he made a really big payment so he could buy something for his grandson's birthday and he waited until his check cleared the bank, then went to the toy store. Well, they didn't have his account credited and not only charged him late fees but also charged him for being over his account limit. After that he paid off and canceled the card. All but one of the Capitol One employees we talked to were unhelpful, rude and a couple were downright nasty. And no, Hopz, it's not that I had a grudge against one and it carried over to the next one. I've worked in customer service before and I'm always careful to not take out my frustrations on someone who doesn't deserve it. I've been on the receiving end of that far too often. Now we get calls from them EVERY DAY except Sundays trying to get him to take another card. I'm getting frustrated and fed up with them, because I've told them over and over to stop calling and at this point don't know what else to do to make them stop.

Lirren Cambreinsis
lirren2@hotmail.com
RE: Same type problems
# May 08 2002 at 8:36 AM Rating: Decent
Interestingly enough you *CAN* sue them for harassment and suits like this are won by people like you all the time. You simply tell them once to remove you from the call database and record who you spoke with at the time and the time and date that you spoke to the person. Ensure that they say they are listing you on the no-call list.

If they continue to call document the times that they called (this can all be verified through their phone records that their auto-dialer keeps and through the phone company if needed.) and if it gets you to that point, go to a lawyer and bring a lawsuit against them for harassment. A lot of lawyers will do this kind of case with no up front costs (because they will get part of any penalties assessed) and you are almost guaranteed to win.

This is an extreme scenario but it works and it gets back a little for the frustration that they have caused.
RE: Same type problems
# May 08 2002 at 11:50 AM Rating: Decent
Just to add to this, my husband operates the computers that run a dialer for a company that does telemarketing, so I thought I'd emphasize a few points.
You MUST have documentation for every call. First tell them to put you on the no-call list. Second, you MUST get the full name of the representative that you spoke with, and be sure to record the date and time of the call.
If they call you again, tell them that you had asked to be put on the no-call list. Then carefully document exactly what they say as to WHY they have called you a second time. Make sure to dig for details, and write them all down. (Note: Multiple call centers is not a valid reason for repeat calls.) Again, get the name of the representative and record the date and time of the call.
Now don't run out and get an attorney. While you can do this and still possibly win, it's on the third call that you will have a sealed case. For a third call, repeat the above steps, then go out and contact the Better Business Bureau and an attorney. Rules and procedures may vary by state, but this offense is worth at least $500.
As always, this is not legal advice as I am not an attorney. ;-)

my 2 cents
# May 08 2002 at 8:11 AM Rating: Decent
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I second the comments stating that getting credit cards from national banks or other organizations is usually the best way to get yourself screwed over - debt, poor customer service, harassing collection calls, etc. If you need plastic, best way to go is probably to a local community-based credit union and get a debit card. Linked to a bank account, this will keep you from overdrawing and going into debt as well as giving you a smaller local business to deal with. Even an actual credit card with a CU is better than jokers like Capital One. Also the suggestions about using small personal loans to build credit history is excellent - at 22 with no edjumication and a fairly scattered work history I got a nice apartment and a good car thanks to my credit union.

(due to my aforementioned lack of edjumication I had to edit this post twice for errors, such as misspelling 'account' in such a way it got bleeped. doh)

Edited, Wed May 8 09:06:48 2002
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Capital one
# May 08 2002 at 8:10 AM Rating: Decent
I just have to say this is kind of horrifying. I have to say we have three cards with capital one and have never had a problem. They even removed late charges and credited our accounts when we ran into problems moving from the US to Germany when things kind of got messy with our move and mail and bank transferrs and my husbands pay. GO Army. Been here since August and his pay still isn't right in the Army's favor of course.

I saw someone mention BoA I have never heard anything but horror stories about that bank and of course they hold the govt contract. Since I am now germany and have to have an account here to have a phone I to an forced to use a subsid. of BoA. Since we can't even get a Visa check card have now gone and reopened another account with our old bank in the US which we probably should never have left in the first place =o)
So True
# May 08 2002 at 8:05 AM Rating: Decent
I have a Capital One Gold card with something like a $700 limit. They are always calling me, asking if I want a Platinum (or something like that) card with a $2000-$5000 limit. The other day, one of them called me, offered me the card, and I said "no." Then, she asked me if it was ok for her to call back in the future. I thought that this was odd, but said "No," thinking that she would put me on the Do Not Call list. She just laughed and hung up on me.
At the time, I just thought that it was really odd, and that she was just a Butthead. Now, I think that I'll go out and cancel the card. I can get lower rates through my credit union anyway.
Porch Relic,. Povar
# May 08 2002 at 7:59 AM Rating: Default
Lmao. People,PWC = Pay with cash !=D
Capital One is a horrid company, IMO
# May 08 2002 at 7:59 AM Rating: Default
I jsut recently went to work for a telemarketing contracting company, making outbound calls on behalf of Capital One to try and talk people into getting a card.. I quit after 3 weeks and I don't know I lasted that long. The numbers lists they were having us call were SO old that I once talked to a woman whose father (the name on my list) had died in *1986*!!! After that (and seeing from the inside how they wanted their calls to be handled, very PUSHY! I will never do business with Capital One. (Please forgive me posting anonomously, I don't want any knowing that I actually took that job... ) :>
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