My Response to 48 Hours

Last Friday, the CBS News Magazine 48 Hours broadcast a story about Everquest as part of a show about addiction. This broadcast showed such a serious lack of journalistic integrity and left so many questions unanswered that I feel compelled to respond. Clearly, in this case true journalism was set aside, and CBS instead came up with what they thought was a juicy premise and then manufactured the facts to fit, purposefully ignoring the multitude of other facts that repudiated their predetermined storyline. In doing so, they insulted and belittled the hundreds of thousands of us who play and enjoy online games and have no difficulty integrating our hobby into our regular daily lives. (I’m including the DAoC site in this editorial because there is no doubt that had they focused on that game, their premise would have remained the same). The title of their show was “Addiction”, so let me start with the word itself. All too often our media adopts a viable scientific or medical term and warps it far beyond its original meaning to the point where the term loses all actual meaning. Addiction is one of those terms. I am sorry, but Everquest is not addictive. Neither is eating, working, having sex, or any of the myriad other activities our press loves to call addictive. To call Everquest addictive is an insult to the many people out there who are struggling to overcome the many serious and valid debilitating addictions in our world. An addictive substance is something you need, not want, and no matter how you look at it, nobody needs to play Everquest. Playing Everquest is definitely a lot of fun, and some may prefer playing it to doing any of the other activities life may offer, even to the point of ignoring things society deems important. This is not an addiction, but rather a lack of self control. A man sweating with the anguish of withdrawal from his normal dose of heroin is addicted and in need to help to kick his habit. His body needs that heroin. A man who plays Everquest to the point where he ignores his family, job and life is simply out of control. He may want to keep playing the game, but he does not need it. There is a difference. CBS’s premise that this is some sort of evil game that sucks the mind out of its players and causes them to lose control of their lives is simply ridiculous. If someone loses control of his life, it is likely that he would have found some other way to do it even if he did not find Everquest. It makes for a juicy headline, but really is tabloid journalism at its worst. Even more tabloid journalism was the presentation itself. Is there any doubt that 48 Hours interviewed hundreds of people and kept rejecting person after person for being too normal or because the game did not have any negative impact on their lives before picking their eventual subjects? Even the player they eventually did decide to film hardly supported their premise, although they used every trick in their book to make it seem that he did. It’s obvious they had no intention of presenting an unbiased article and routinely rejected anything that contradicted the story they wanted to make. They instead wanted to shock the viewer and make him believe that there are hundreds of thousands of mentally unstable gaming addicts playing this online video game who are probably just steps away from killing themselves and who knows how many others. Obviously the CBS motto is to never let the facts get in the way of a good story. The player they finally chose to interview was a doctor who played Everquest about 20 hours a week. He seemed to be a fairly normal person with a normal family life. They obviously chose him because his wife complained that she wished that he spent less time playing Everquest and more time with his family. The implication was clear that this was an otherwise good and normal man hopelessly corrupted by this evil game. Funny, but I saw something else. Here is a man who manages to hold down a high pressure job, is a loving husband, properly raises his children and provides for his family. Yet CBS wants to excoriate him for stealing 20 hours a week of private time for himself, because he does it playing a video game and, quite frankly, they think that’s weird. They showed him sitting there fighting something in the game and then zoomed in to the reporter so that she could arch her eyebrows and look properly horrified that anyone would be silly enough to waste his time on something like that. “Look”, she said, “he even has trouble looking away from the screen when I’m talking to him”. Oh if only he hadn’t met this evil game, he would surely be the perfect husband and father. Let me add something up here. CBS sports is a very profitable part of their network. Watching two Sunday NFL games takes a good 7 hours. A single college game on Saturday is another 3 ½ hours and there are games on all day long. Add in a couple baseball, basketball or hockey games during the week and you can easily add up to 20 hours watching sports on TV for just your average sports fan. A dedicated sports fan would of course go much higher than that. I’m guessing if that was his hobby, 48 Hours would have never come knocking at his door. “Man ignores family to watch football” does not make as tantalizing a headline as “Man becomes addicted to evil video game”. I don’t see CBS urging their sports division to put a warning label at the bottom of every football game warning that watching sports can be addictive and cause you to spend time away from your family. His wife should be glad he is not going out to the bars every night with his friends like many other men and women and that he instead found a way to blow off steam that keeps him at home and available when she needs him and that comes at a relatively small cost. She was never asked, but would any of us be surprised to find out that the wife who is complaining so much about her husband’s game playing spends far more than 20 hours a week watching television or shopping. I would think just about anyone spends at least 20 hours a week on personal projects and hobbies. Playing golf, sports, television, reading, and shopping are a few obvious examples of activities people spend long hours at, but there are plenty of others. Of course that wouldn’t fit into CBS’s concept for the show, so those facts simply got ignored. Besides, they want to make him look weird, not normal, and pointing that out would simply remind people that this isn’t really all that odd after all. He’s playing a video game, so there must be something wrong with him. This is after all a tabloid and not a real news show. 48 Hours also interviewed Ben Stein about his son’s Everquest playing. I guess this was to show that even pseudo-celebrities like him are not immune to this scourge. (If they wanted to interview a celebrity, why not a real one who actually plays Everquest like Curt Schilling? – Oh yeah, Curt would have told them they were full of it and blown a hole in their whole false and demeaning premise). Am I the only one struck by Mr. Stein’s method of stopping his son from playing EQ? He sent him off to a boarding school where, according to Mr. Stein, they did not allow games like that to be played. After a stint of time away from Everquest, and not coincidentally away from his parents, he was suddenly cured. (and I’m glad we were spared the manufactured scenes of his son lying in bed at the boarding house, body shaking and sweating profusely, and mewing pitifully about “just one more orc, please just one more”). Well, Ben, why didn’t you just not allow those games at your house? If your son is playing video games to what you consider an excess, maybe you should just put your foot down and pull the plug on his computer. If he instead spent his time downloading online porn, would you have let him do that for a while until you finally threw up your hands and sent him off to a porn-free school somewhere? Who is the problem here? The teenager who plays a game to excess, or for that matter does anything to excess, or the parent who allows it? Sorry Ben, but don’t blame the manufacturer of a game for your bad parenting. Finally, there is poor Mrs. Woolley. It must be terrible to lose a son, and we all feel sympathy for her. But eventually she is going to have to face up to the fact that Everquest did not have anything to do with it. Shawn was a troubled and mentally disturbed child and had been so for all of his life. Something was bound to set him off eventually. Maybe it was indeed something that happened to him in the game. Everquest is after all populated with real people, and the inability to interact with people seemed to be at the root of his mental illness. It really could have been just about anything that brought about his suicide. The unfortunate fact in life is that sometimes bad things happen and there’s not much we can do about it. Blaming Everquest for her son’s death probably makes Mrs. Woolley feel better and gives her an outlet for her grief, and you know what? I really have no problem with that. Let her deal with her grief in whatever manner she wishes. What is wrong is for a news outlet like CBS to exploit her grief for the sake of their ratings. And make no mistake that this is pure exploitation on their part. “Satanic Video game convinces man to commit suicide” was just too good a headline for them to resist. The tabloid journalists who make up the 48 Hours staff must have truly started salivating when they thought that one up. So they hauled their cameras into that poor woman’s living room and helped feed her delusion so that they could broadcast it to the rest of the world and sell a lot of commercials. Frankly, this part makes me sicker than any other part of their story. Manufacturing facts to make up a false story you hope will bring big ratings makes you a poor journalist, but exploiting a mother’s suffering and grief from the death of her son for those ratings makes you a poor human being. The journalists who made their trek to the Woolley residence to get their juicy video game murder story were simply parasites feeding on that poor woman’s grief and delusions. I’d like to think that Susan Spencer, the journalist who did this story, has a little more trouble sleeping a night because of her actions, but unfortunately I doubt it bothers her in the least. It is sad to see that the network of the great Walter Cronkite has sunk to such depths. I had always thought journalism was about facts first and story second. Yet CBS managed to do an entire story on the supposedly addictive and evil nature of this game without displaying a single fact to prove it and by ignoring the many facts that disprove it. In the end they made fun of something they know nothing about, exploited something that should be pitied instead, and succeeded in nothing more than insulting the hundreds of thousands of people who consider playing Everquest and other video games a normal, healthy and enjoyable part of their lives. For what it’s worth, they also lost my respect and viewer ship. If you wish to contact CBS about this show, here is the contact information: 48 Hours 524 West 57th St. New York, NY 10019 E-MAIL: 48hours@cbsnews.com. PHONE: (212) 975-3247
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I am addicted.
# Oct 22 2002 at 11:38 AM Rating: Default
I admit it. EQ is addictive and I am addicted. Anyone who says otherwise is either not susceptible to its charms (and doesnt understand) or is in denial.

Wauel - 60th wizard
Uualz - 60th druid
No, you're not.
# Oct 22 2002 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
To be TRULY addicted to something there needs to be a chemical response in your body when you use/do that thing. True, if EverQuest makes you happy there is an endorfine response that makes you feel good. But there are a million other things that cause that same response.

Allakhazam put it best "To call Everquest addictive is an insult to the many people out there who are struggling to overcome the many serious and valid debilitating addictions in our world." . People who smoke even though lung cancer is killing them ARE addicted. People who drink till they beat their families ARE addicted. People who steal and kill for their next fix ARE addicted. You ARE NOT addicted to Everquest.

See any GOOD psychologist for a bit and you'll figure out that you are not addicted to EQ if your addicted to anything its the endorfines and you will find plenty of other activities that produce the same response. If you want an example of activities that produce this response here are a few, any strenuos physical activity, running, biking, swimming, sex, bungee jumping, tight rope walking. Well the last two are Adrenaline producing but, whatever.

Oh and just so everyone knows, I'm not a psychologist or doctor or anything i've just had a little experience with... issues. Anyone who sees this and is licensed to practice please agree/disagree with me in case i'm wrong.

Edited, Tue Oct 22 12:44:41 2002
Thank you Mr Wizard
# Oct 22 2002 at 12:05 PM Rating: Default
Thank you Mr Wizard.

Where did you get the rubbish about a chemical response. Check any medical dictionary for a definition of addiction. Try this one:

Any compulsively repeated behavior, whether drinking, using, gambling,
eat-purging, certain sexual activities, etc. which negatively impact an
individual biologically, psychologically, socially, or spiritually is an
addiction.
Addiction and Everquest
# Oct 22 2002 at 11:30 AM Rating: Default
I agree that the story on EQ was slanted but I need to also point out that there are two forms of addiction widely recognized by the medical community.

Physical addiction is the form that is decsribed by Allakhazam and it is the most severe type of addiction but it is not the only form as Allakhazam apparently thinks.

Psychological addiction does exist. For example. After one stops smoking cigarettes, the physical symptoms actually stop after 2 or 3 days but it's the phychological addiction that causes the most problems and causes the most people to fail in their attempts to quit.

EQ is addictive just like any many other substances or activities can be if not approached with a little common sense.

Yes. The story on 48 hours was poorly written and sounds very similar to the AD&D crap that was being spouted during the late 70s and early 80s but don't belittle the fact that entertainment addictions can indeed be a problem for many people.

48 Hours should have also showed the side of EQ that encourages people to work together, and collaborate on solving problems as a team. The real fun for me is taking a raid of 40 poeple or even just a single group and having everyone work together to defeat the big bad mob. This is the angle they missed and that is the real reason I am upset with them.

Tseuq Medalot
Level 60 Enchanter
Bristlebane
RE: Addiction and Everquest
# Oct 22 2002 at 11:35 AM Rating: Default
Agreed. Very well written.
Addiction Psshht
# Oct 22 2002 at 11:29 AM Rating: Default
Lets put it this way im 18 years and have been playing everquest since i was about 16. I have been playing video games since my mom brought home that odessey 2 way back in the day. Anyone here remember Mortal Kombat and everything that was said about that game all because of a little blood. This struggle will go on forever in my view. It doesnt make it right though. Just because i know the media will continue to blow these things out of proportion forever doesnt mean i dont wanna go in there and ram a broomstick up the ceo's *** :) The point is that we have to deal with it. I mean hell we all know the troubles teens go through. I could do what my other friends do and go drink and do drugs and party and the like but i dont. And thats not to say that this is how all teens act, and that i dont enjoy a good party every now and than, but remember everyone wants to look cool. I lead a normal life i have a girlfriend i go to college i am out on the weekends having a good time. This is only a game....a damn good game....but its only a game. Another thing people let us NOT compare everquest with coke addicts, and heroin abusers, and drunks, and yada yada yada. They arent even on the same level. Thats like comparing a mouse with an elephant. So what if im addicted to C3 (and what caster isnt heh :) ) it doesnt mean i sit and convulse at my computer screen until some grateful chanter drops by and hits me up with another dose. Peoples ignorance is what really sets me off here. The uneducated minds of people who know nothing. Yeah i play video games doesnt mean im not as intelligent as the next person. If you got something to say just reply here or heh e-mail me at Kartman1984@cs.com. Take care all and lets go give those new GODS some hell heh.
*Runs off to go find bristlebane and hand him his ****

Alarod
RE: Addiction Psshht
# Oct 22 2002 at 11:46 AM Rating: Default
"Another thing people let us NOT compare everquest with coke addicts, and heroin abusers, and drunks, and yada yada yada. They arent even on the same level"

I'm sure you're saying this to justify you own gameplay, you want to feel THOSE people (alcholics, drug users) have addictions - but no one playing EQ could. There ARE people who have ruined their marriages, lost jobs, etc. over EQ - I personally know one such person. And yes, that makes them addicts, any behavior that is compulsive and uncontrolled can be an addiction - gambling, sex, shopping and the like.

Make no mistake, not all addictions are physical - and psychological addictions can be very powerful.

"Yeah i play video games doesnt mean im not as intelligent as the next person"

No one claimed addicts are idiots Alarod, I'm sure we've all know very bright people who have some kind of addiction. I knew one brilliant guy in college who was a coke head, and sadly I heard he died of an OD a few years after graduation. He was a great athlete, student, etc - but he did have a problem, as do some EQ players I'd imagine.
RE: Addiction Psshht
# Oct 22 2002 at 12:47 PM Rating: Decent
I am finding it interesting that many of us feel Everquest to be a psychologically addictive game. I am a writer, and have been writing since 1980. I write 7 days a week -- if I don't write anything, I feel that my day has been wasted and become depressed. I feel that my writing is more of an addiction than playing Everquest, because it has become a necessary foundation in my life -- I have a release from stress that spurns my creative juices, and helps me relax.

I do not feel I am addicted to playing Everquest. I've had 45 years to get to know myself and was a person who embraced the computer age. I have owned a computer since 1983, and have been playing computer games since Zork was released. (For those of you who are too young to know what Zork was, it was one of the very first roleplaying games ever developed -- ask your parents or check the Internet for more information about it, if I have your curiousity in a bunch.) I even took part in conceiving and writing a computer game that never quite made it to the market. When I play Everquest, I notice that I become very involved in the game. But then, I also become very involved when I am driving my car. I do not want anyone to bother me, talk to me, or otherwise deviate my attention from the road. Does that personality trait make me addicted to driving on the road? I don't think so, my trait does show that I am a personality who needs to focus my full attention on what I am doing. Many of us share this characteristic -- take the doctor who was portrayed on 48 Hours for example, if you look at the tape, his focus remains very intensely on the game. How many of you are office workers? When you are working in the office, or typing at your keyboard, do you want to be disturbed? Of course not. If you are involved in more than one activity while you are typing as well -- your focus is going to be intense -- you are keeping your mind on a specific task, while your mind is working a mile a minute. So, when you are playing Everquest, you are intently focused on a specific task, and that is...what?

To close this comment, I just returned from a trip to Las Vegas to see my oldest daughter graduate from college. I was away from the computer for about 5 days, and I felt refreshed, being away from the keyboard. I spent time with my family that I love very much, and am brimming with pride for my daughter's accomplishments. I was depressed though, because I had not written anything for 5 days. So, upon my return home, I decided to play Everquest for about an hour or so to ease the stress of my 5-hour drive from Las Vegas. The game helped me write half a chapter of a story I've been working on before retiring to bed.

So, my gut instinct tells me that in regard to my being addicted to the game, the answer is a flat no. I feel compelled to play it, because I was a military strategist for 20 years and like the challenges my characters faces. Whether my character is killing dragons, or whatever is of no consequence to me, but what has kept my attention is the leveling strategy in the game, necessary to be able to defeat stronger NPCs.
CBS Show
# Oct 22 2002 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
Touche' Allakhazam....I'm going to write an email and a letter to CBS and include your post in it. I've been playing EQ for almost three years now and have made some friends in game that have outlasted friends made IRL. I currently work full time and go to school full time, and EQ hasnt turned me into a social misfit. I'm glad I didn't see the show because I'd be more outraged than I already am. I'm not going to rant on here....I want to save all that for CBS. I want to thank Allakhazam for providing us with this great site.


PS...I think we should all contact another TV station and start a story about CBS and their fraudulent story.

Baron Tobol Bigbuutay
----Oracle----
60th Season Ogre Shaman

Kiriyn Aszmaster
---Blackguard---
56th Season Rogue

Errolissi Marr
One more thing, and a letter of grief to Ms. Wooley ...
# Oct 22 2002 at 11:17 AM Rating: Decent
Just one more Rant about this as it is mainly directed to those parents of minors. I saw this same attitude about the youth of America with my own eyes. In the 80’s, it was AD&D, the 90’s Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, today, it is Marylyn Manson and now … Everquest. When will the parents stand up and take responsibility for their children? There is no substitute, repeat: NO SUBSTITUTE for a parent. You as the PARENT owe it to your children to take charge, show guidance and take some responsibility for who and what they are:
Funny how Ben Stein complains about his son's Everquest "addiction." Ben Stein's child is under 18, making him a minor in ever state of the US. It is then, the responsibility of the PARENT to take care of this minor. He (B. Stein) claims his son was addicted to Everquest and it was "out of control." Unplug the damn PC you dolt! Be a PARENT and PARENT your CHILD!
1) Can any child under 18 afford a computer? Probably not; in most cases, it was a gift of some kind provided by a relative or a PARENT.
2) Will an ISP (Internet Service Provider) allow anyone under 18 connectivity without some form of verification of age. Can't think of one. (Well maybe those darn FREE x hours of AOHell you find at Wal-mart). Typically though, the PARENT pays for such ISP’s.
3) Whose job is it of the household to monitor and provide a safe environment for a child to learn, grow, and mature? Last I looked it was a Parent’s job. It is also the Parent’s responsibility to monitor their children's actions, who what why where how ... sound familiar?
4) Last time I checked, it required a credit card to activate the account. Hmm. anyone heard of someone UNDER 18 with a credit card??? Ok sure, there are those nifty account pre-paid cards you can get at most computer software stored however, it is the RESPOSIBILITY of the PARENT to monitor what goes on in their house. I don't want to hear about "I work this job and don't have time to monitor my kid's cuz I'm a single parent and blah blah blah."
Lemme tell you something, my mother is a great woman. Raised two (2) boys less than 16 months apart practically on her own before her 21st birthday back in the 70's. There was plenty going around at the time, life was much more complicated for a woman back then and she never once said she could not "monitor her kids." (My father was in the military and I rarely saw him until my teen/ adult years. However, he provided for our family and is a great man whom we appreciate more than ourselves by sacrificing those precious bonding years of playing catch so we could eat for crissakes.) She knew the 411 on everything my brother and I did, not matter how much we hid it or kept it a secret she was an excellent PARENT! I didn't get a Nintendo until I was nearly 15, by then people already had PC's, Super Nintendo, and SEGA Genesis etc. She knew what I was playing, how much time I was playing it and threw out anything she deemed appropriate. At the same time, raised us, help a full-time career, maintained a household, a dog, and a prominent social circle in the community. Yet, she still knew EVERYTHING I DID and yanked away anything she deemed inappropriate or distracting.

Lastly, let me quote something from the nice EULA of Everquest:
Accounts are available only to adults or, “in their discretion, their minor child.” If you are a minor, your parent(s) or guardian(s) must complete the registration process, in which case they will take full RESPOSIBILTY for all obligations under this Agreement. So this is to your Mister Stein, are you a good PARENT? Your child developed what you call an “addiction” because of your negligence, indifference to RESPOSIBILTY, and ****-poor PARENTING. You seek someone to blame, you choose Everquest. You point the finger, you say “Ha! That’s to blame! My son is corrupt because of YOU!” You are correct Mr. Stein … YOU are to blame aren’t you.
And to Ms.Wooley, I can only offer my most sincere condolences. I am also saddened by your loss, as we all are. WE are a community, a group, and a family. When one of us suffers, we all suffer. Your son’s hopes, dreams, and ambitions were possibly shared and suffered by some of us.
We understand your grief, your remorse, and your anger. I did not know your son; I did not know his alter ego on-line. I only know myself, my own dreams and desires, and the few people who share their lives on-line with me. I find joy and peace in this world and the virtual world. Know this, your son’s presence is mourned by many, in the Real and the Virtual. Not for just his playing ability or his companionship. We as a community share a bit of ourselves and confide in the escape of the unknown strange sometimes.
We all do this, be it one’s god, an on-friend, a priest at confession or person we just met. There is a safeness and serenity in the presence of someone new and unseen. Just as you have found solace and comfort from the hundreds of supporters on-line via e-mail in your loss, perhaps your son found some peace on-line. I do not know what drove him to suicide, perhaps there was some under-lying problem that wasn’t picked up soon enough or it was invisible to us all. You knew him best, more than any of us ever could. However, he is gone. Why? We may never know.
I do not believe it was the game, the people within the game, or out of the game that drove him to this act. All I know is that he will be missed, by me … a stranger whom he never met, never spoke to and never will. I regret that you feel the desire to find someone to blame, a finger to point an explanation. I can offer none in this way. Perhaps someone knew your son, knew what you did not. Or perhaps, he just could not reach out to anyone … in this real world or the on-line one. Your tragedy is mourned and suffered by more than you know … do not be so eager to pass out your judgments.

Taskari
47 Beastlord
Taskari shakes his head and mourns the loss of the dead ...
RE: One more thing, and a letter of grief to Ms. Wooley ...
# Oct 22 2002 at 8:51 PM Rating: Default
one more thing;

i am sorry for Mrs. Wooley's loos. BUT, I can not agree with her trying to pin the fault on EQ. The man was mentally ill. Sure, eq MIGHT have pushed him a little. But if it wasn't EQ it would have been something else. It might have been a TV show he liked getting canceled, or a differnet game he liked instead of EQ. It was not Everquest's fault. He was already mentally ill.
RE: One more thing, and a letter of grief to Ms. Wooley ...
# Oct 22 2002 at 8:45 PM Rating: Default
1) Can any child under 18 afford a computer? Probably not; in most cases, it was a gift of some kind provided by a relative or a PARENT.

I(at the age of 13) afforded my own computer with printer. I make my EQ payments, not my parents. I buy the printer cartridges. I bought EQ and the expansions myself. The only thing my parents payed for were two things which benifited them as well as me. The internet(which only costs 5.95) and speakers as my comp had none. The speakers were so that we could listen to the messages on Callwave(a program which allows people who call you to leave a message on the computer if you are online). My mom uses the internet so, it dosen't matter to her if she pays. she'd be paying anyway.

2) Will an ISP (Internet Service Provider) allow anyone under 18 connectivity without some form of verification of age. Can't think of one. (Well maybe those darn FREE x hours of AOHell you find at Wal-mart). Typically though, the PARENT pays for such ISP’s

exactly.

3) Whose job is it of the household to monitor and provide a safe environment for a child to learn, grow, and mature? Last I looked it was a Parent’s job. It is also the Parent’s responsibility to monitor their children's actions, who what why where how ... sound familiar?

Total agreement. My parents do.

4) Last time I checked, it required a credit card to activate the account. Hmm. anyone heard of someone UNDER 18 with a credit card???

My parents use their credit card, but i pay them cash.




Just wanted to point out that it is possible for a minor to buy a comp and work out a deal with their parents so they pay for EQ.
EQ
# Oct 22 2002 at 11:15 AM Rating: Default
F U C K 48 HOURS maybe it will show it with out all the %&^*
EQ
# Oct 22 2002 at 11:13 AM Rating: Default
**** 48 hours
The Media, cont....
# Oct 22 2002 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
We couldn't really expect anything more from TV news media. Sensationalism sells, no matter how ridiculous, and there are often no facts presented to support any of these claims. Many people are all too eager to allow someone else to think for them, particularly regarding subjects they have no first hand knowledge of, and are more than willing to follow along with whatever popular opinion may be. This is true in all aspects of our lives, and it will likely always be this way. The few (corporate interests) attempt to determine the needs, fears, and wants of the many (the minority, silent or otherwise, is not a factor) and do whatever they must to convince us that we need their product/service/information/opinion. Think for yourself, ask questions, demand answers. Revolt!

Speaking for myself, I have been happily married for 11 years & have 2 children. I also work 50 hours a week on 2nd shift, so my time with my family is very limited. In fact, I really only get to spend time with them on the weekend, which is totally dedicated to them. I have been playing EQ for over 2 years, probably 20 hours a week on average, sometimes more if I have a day off ;-). My playtime is either when everyone else is sleeping at night, or in the morning when the kids are at school and my wife is at work. I see nothing wrong with this at all; I've always been an avid gamer, and if it wasn't EQ I would be playing something else. I am also a voracious reader & musician, two 'socially approved' pastimes that have not been neglected due to EQ.

The point about sports fans sitting in front of the idiot box for at least 20 hrs a week is dead on. Where are the 'Super Bowl Sunday' stories? I bet there have been numerous heart attacks, strokes, and even suicides on 'game day'. Where's the story on that? Too many sponsors would be offended, and they would likely lose advertising dollars.

This should serve as an example to all of us that the media is not error free or trustworthy, and that you can't believe everything you see and hear in the news. Their perspectives are skewed towards ratings, ad slot sales, and corporate sponsors.

I will be composing a lengthy letter for CBS and 48 Hrs, and would love to copy their sponsors. Does anyone have access to a list of them?
48 Hours
# Oct 22 2002 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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After readinding Allakhazam's response andthe other posts I feel that I need to add a little something. 48 Hours has, in the past, attacked two "institutions" that I am closely related to - ie; Dentistry and Hot Air Balloonig. They did a program on dental fees some time ago that was set up to prove that all dentists were crooks and were charging exorbitant fees. They sent a reporter around the country getting estimates for work that needed to be done. Then they presented this wide range of fees for what they stated was the same service. However the various dentists that were involved just happened to see the program and reported to the American Dental Association that the individual requested drastically different treatments from each of them and refused to allowed a complete exam to be performed by anyone. CBS settled for a large sum of money - but that was never published.
The item on hot air balloons involved protraying hot air ballooning as an extreme sport with very high risk - and using footage of a fatal balloon accident that was allmost 20 years old to prove thier point. Any of you who have ever flown in a hot air balloon know that there is more risk walking down a quiet street than floating in a balloon.
The point here is that the only purpose that CBS has is to sell advertising - not present news. All members of the media "press" are members of the screen actors guild - this was stated by Tom Brokaw on a public forum that was attacking the veracity of television reporting. Thier job is to entertain and increase ratings - and therefore to increase the advertising value of thiere airtime.
Bad Press
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:33 AM Rating: Default
Well said!!! Your frustration with the media is very refreshing to hear. I fully intend to voice my objection to CBS and urge others to do the same, for whatever good it may do.
Wow !
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:32 AM Rating: Default
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Amen... Amen Brotha !!!
Addiction and Control
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
I get so sick and tired of people saying things like this. I've been hearing this Bologna for all my life...."Dont play that game it's too Addictive"Etc... Let me get this Straight with all the Parents Even if this has been said already I am to say it again.


"YOU have the power...There is No Addiction to Video games...YOU Can pull the Plug,YOU can press the button,And Just like that EQ is gone."
If you complain there's a problem with Kids well Face facts 'Parent' 99% of the time Problems with Children can be Directly Traced back to their Parents. After all YOU Raised them....If you dont want them Playing EQ dont pay the 13 a month for it. Dont get the Online Service....Dont even get the Computer.....It's You who does it....Everyone has the Capacity to Stop At Any time.... This is no Addiction, this is a hobby, We do this because WE choose to. There is no Magical force or Person or Persons Inside our outside of our minds Forcing us to play...We can quit as easily as some one can stop us, Only we who are playing are there because it is a Fun Enjoyable way to spend free time. Those people at 48 hours need to go back to School and learn the real Meaning of 'Facts And Definition'




Err Hope that made sense.
RE: Addiction and Control
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:36 AM Rating: Default
Yet again - another addict who doesn't know the definition of addiction

Let's take your remark:
""YOU have the power...There is No Addiction to Video games...YOU Can pull the Plug,YOU can press the button,And Just like that EQ is gone."

And do this:
"YOU have the power...There is No Addiction to booze...YOU Can stop drinking,YOU can toss the booze away, And Just like that liquor is gone."

The whole idea of addiction is people DON'T have control - hello ?!?! Get it through your head that's what addiction is about.

No, just like booze - not everyone is addicted, but some are, not you of course, and not anyone here - none of YOU are addicts, someone else maybe, but not you.
RE: Addiction and Control
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
And dont even try that junk with me like:

"Oh but if I dont give him his treats he'll be disobediant or not do his chores or stomp around the house throwing things..."


I'll say only one thing to that.

"I rest my case."
RE: Addiction and Control
# Oct 22 2002 at 11:08 AM Rating: Default
Huh?

You havent made a case. The only thing you have proved is that you dont understand what addiction is. You have proved that you believe that only weak minded people can become addicted. From your post, I also have come to believe that you are probably one of the EQ addicts.
Societal Norms
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:22 AM Rating: Default
I did not see the episode, and after reading all the responses here, I'm not sure that I really want to. As someone who VERY well remembers the tunnel collapse at a New Jersey college in the 80's (blamed on D&D, I might add), I am very upset that the media persists in putting everything into a "socially acceptable" light.

The bottom line is that any media will only report things as they feel it pertains to the "average" person in today's society. Well, the "average" person does not play online games... most of them probably don't know what online games ARE! Societal norms today include the dislike of anything that may seem to include the belief in anything supernatural or medieval. Online games are surrounded in the "fantasy".

In case it's not apparant, I firmly believe that those who choose to entertain themselves (ie: get their escapism where they can) with MMORPGs are also those who refuse to fit "societal norms". We are the ones who refuse to conform, who believe in individuality. We are doctors, lawyers, professionals, and more. We are consumers, parents, grand-parents, and role models. We are PEOPLE! We are not statistics to be counted (right or wrong). And any media that chooses to "skew" the facts should be held responsible by ALL.
Saddened
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
It is a great shame to see the American media, once again, betray the legacy of Edward R. Murrow. At a time when Senator McCarthy's communist witch-hunt was at its worse and many dared not speak up for fear of being branded a "communist," Murrow was a beacon of journalistic integrity.

Why oh why couldn't CBS follow his example? The constitutional guarantee of a free press was intended to secure a well-informed citizenry and act as a guard against tyranny. I am saddened to see these high ideals pitched in favor of ratings.

Doriath Aldaron
Ranger of Tunare
Mithril Daggers
Sol Ro
#Anonymous, Posted: Oct 22 2002 at 10:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Aw, did someone get their feelings hurt because CBS made fun of your game?
RE: Saddened
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:58 AM Rating: Excellent
I think "anonymous" here must be a CBS employee. Seems to have some very negative things to say about the postings here and takes what people have to say so personally (if it is the same "anonymous").

But, now to the "substance" of his/her post.

And I quote...

"did someone get their feelings hurt because CBS made fun of your game"

-and-

"Yeah, they might be calling you a loser and telling you to get a life, and that's their right"

Journalism is supposed to be the unbaised presentation of researched facts...not bashing. In your own skewed way, I think you hit the nail right on the head here. This is exactly why folks are so upset at CBS' "news report." This wasn't a piece of journalism, it was sensationalism. To have sensationalism disguised as journalism is a travesty and an insult to the legacy of Mr. Murrow.

If making these inane postings is how you spend your day, maybe you are the one who should "get a life."

Doriath Aldaron
Ranger of Tunare
Mithril Daggers
Sol Ro
RE: Saddened
# Oct 22 2002 at 11:21 AM Rating: Default
I will agree with you there, but I never pretended to believe any of those "News" shows are solely about news. They want ratings, to drive up interest and viewers, etc. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to take a mass media college class or read some Noam Chomsky. [However, I still think CBS hit a nerve for people, by the flood of defensivenss I've seen. I think it's not just about yellow journalism I think it's also because it did contain some painful truth]

Whatever your cause, interests, etc, you will find a news program that casts it in a light you don't like. I read some other people go off on 'liberal media', well there are just as many examples of 'conservative media' passed off as news that has an agenda too - don't kid yourself, business and people almost always have agendas.

Do I like it, no, but it's reality.

RE: Saddened
# Oct 22 2002 at 11:14 AM Rating: Decent
I agree that 48 hours is all sensationalism. Its all about ratings baby. Show me the money.

However, the posts that are defending EQ come across as getting your "feelings hurt because CBS made fun of your game". Grow up guys. What are you, children? Can you even vote yet? If so maybe you should be reading up on the issues rather than defending your widdle game against the those nasty journalists.
The media
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:19 AM Rating: Decent
I don't listen to anything the liberal media says...These people supported the worst president in history. Anything these pinheads say should be ignored and taken for what its worth a bunch of CRAP... enough said.
RE: The media
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:41 AM Rating: Default
The worst president is history? If you mean Bush and his moronic son, I'd agree with you, if you mean Clinton - I'd rather have a prez get a knob job and be able to manage the economy and world affairs, then some egomanical nimrod run the economy into the toilet and threaten everyone with global war because his polls are down, he's got a hardon for conflict, and has no frickin idea about domestic policy. Oh yeah, he also lost the popular vote rememer so most people didn't want jr in office in the first place.
48 Hours
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:16 AM Rating: Default
Boy, I must really be messed up. I have over 3,000 books, I think I'm addicted to reading. I have over 800 CDs, I must be addicted to music too. DVDs I have around 200, so I must be under control on that front. Whew.

I was made very angry by the 48 Hours story, because it reminded me of the crap I used to get for playing Dungeons & Dragons as a junior high school kid back in the 80's. Personally I think the D&D backlash had to do with the fact that only the six or so smartest kids in the school played it. You had to have imigination, creativity and some basic math skills to play.

I have sympathy for the mother who lost her son, but if he didn't play EQ, she would be blaming his death on MSG in chinese food or something else. It wasn't because he was off-balance and disturbed to begin with, it was the GAME! It was YOU! It was ANYONE but his own fault. That sort of thing irks me.

Bishoptrue
41 Wizard of Xegony
CBS is fekked in the Head!
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:13 AM Rating: Decent
Well this subject got me riled up enough to actually write an e-mail. No sense in repeating the mail here, but I did make sure to bring up any points in the posts here that made a valid argument.

First off, I am an addict of sex and drugs. I lived this way for a long time of my life. I know about addiction. I also know about suicide, since I was put in that spot by my own choices many moons ago. I was angry at the CBS report. EverQuest has done alot of GOOD things for me, and they did not even attempt to touch those issues.

Addiction IS INDEED planned on in a game like this. They will embellish and keep it going as long as a crack dealer can. Why? Because they have stockholders that want to make the money from thier investment. Period. The same reason the gun company makes thier gun, or the news makes these flavorful reports. However, Addiction is INSIDE the individual who is addicted! At any time during an addiction, you DO have a choice to quit. You just simply don't take it. When you kill yourself, you have a choice NOT to. You just don't make that choice. It's not ANYONE's fault but yours. Now I will agree that trying to capitolize on this personality flaw can be considered evil. But the game as a whole for hundreds of thousands of people is just that. A game that they enjoy, like you guys said, more than bars, more than going to see most movies, or watching TV. (especially TV that sparked this thread)

Everquest has helped me stop spending HUNDREDS of dollars a month in bars, and on cable TV. It's kept me off the streets, and at home where my wife needs me when im here. I can always get up, and am in control of it when I do. I choose when to play and when not to play. Sometimes i play 80 hours in a week, sometimes I don't play at all, but it sure has done wonders for REMOVING some of my addictions, instead of makin my life worse.

I can only say to the people who's lives it has affected....

DO NOT LOOK TO EVERQUEST....Look to the person who is playing it. It's NOT EQ's Fault! It is the person who made the choice to ruin thier own lives in that fashion. If there was no EQ, as an ex-addict of some harsh drugs, and an avid gamer, they would ahve found another way to make themselves these problems, be it booze, women, food, TV, SPORTS (my dad used to watch over 20 hours a week like it was Church, then YELL at us for playing in the house while the games were on). The people who allowed this story to go live, are just less than uber journalists, who think they have a story, but all they have is a mouth full of bull.

Just my two-thousand cents =)

Long Live Norrath!

Absolute Hypocrisy
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:08 AM Rating: Excellent
In the infinite realm of hypocrisy, CBS maintains its title of the Ultimate Hypocrite! In reposes to the recent 48 "investigation" on "Virtual Addiction", I took it upon myself to "investigate" CBS in their on-line community activates. It turns out that they are in fact, NO BETTER than any other on-line community. They actual are creating (or have already created) their OWN on-line community! How is this any better than Everquest? Quite simply it's not. Any on-line community will have "junkies" and unfortunates that immerse in that community as an escape from the Real World. Just as D&D was blamed for several suicides in the 80, Mighty Morphin’ Power Rangers for accelerated violence in younger children (pre-teen and younger) in the 90's and Marylyn Manson for Columbine, so too will CBS be held responsible for their hypocritical view of Everquest. Although it sounds mischievously wicked, I can't wait for someone to "encounter social inadequacies" from this CBS on-line community. It will serve them right to point the malicious accusative finger at our FANTASY realm when their own chatters will communicate in a REAL Realm.
Take a look from the following excerpt where CBS ITSELF sanctions an on-line community (much like Everquest) where chatters "


"Visitors to a CBS chat room won't just see words scrolling across a screen,"
"They'll enter the graphical representation of a room tied to a CBS show, then pick a cyber-persona to interact with other people. A visitor to, say, David Letterman's chat room might theoretically see a picture of the show's set and pick from among 20 identities to roam around it and talk to other people.

CBS will retain control over the identities its visitors pick -- preventing them from creating pornographic images and other avatars that may be offensive to mainstream visitors. "

“No network has ever taken their brands and graphically extended them into this type of environment,"
“It's a very cool thing."
Quite the rebuttal to their protrayal of “internet junkies” as the “evil” of socially stunted and “control-challenged” freaks them made us out to be.

Complete news link found here:
http://www.wired.com/news/print/0%2C1294%2C31900%2C00.html
My response to CBS re: 48 Hours
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:06 AM Rating: Decent
To the producers of 48 Hours,

I think that your story on EverQuest, Aired Friday, October 18, 2002 was, at best, uninformed and slanted. I would go as far as to say that it was thoroughly irresponsible reporting. To suggest that a game is dangerous is preposterous. Is a computer game really any more dangerous than any other recreational activity that thousands of people in this country participate in and enjoy, such as watching television, golf, reading, cross stitching? Wouldn't it have been more accurate, and responsible on your part, to show that some people lose track of the line between fantasy and reality, and regardless of the outlet they find for escaping their real world troubles, they can become mired in their choice of entertainment?

I have been playing EverQuest for quite a while, and remain a responsible adult, in touch with, and active in, the real world. My two children are not neglected, and neither is my husband, who also plays EverQuest. My brother, sister in law, and best friend also play EverQuest, and being on opposite ends of the country, we appreciate this game as a means of keeping in contact, and having some play time together. Their children are also not neglected, and they all even manage to hold down full time jobs, and maintain households, despite taking some time to entertain themselves online with this "addictive" game.

My heart goes out to Mrs. Woolley and her family. Her son's death was tragic.

The fact remains, however, that an individual who commits suicide is troubled more deeply and profoundly than a computer game can be solely blamed for. This all reeks of the days when Dungeons and Dragons was played by "Satanic" kids, and Rock and Roll was "Evil", because the press showed the public the few examples of unbalanced individuals who did horrible things, and also happened to enjoy D&D or Rock music. What will be the next thing the press points fingers at in this blame game? "Ice cream has been linked with homicides!"? If 99 percent of murderers enjoy ice cream, then isn't that clearly the cause of their violent behavior? Absurd? Absolutely. I hope in your future reporting, you take a look at an individual's responsibility for their actions, rather than looking for someone to blame (Sony).

Sanori Spryblades
Shaman of 54 Winters
Erollisi Marr server
I definately agree with Allakhazam!
# Oct 22 2002 at 9:47 AM Rating: Decent
Media in the late 20th century and all of the 21st century has been using sensationalism to it's fullest to boost ratings. No one is safe from such exploits. I remember when they did a story on a kid that committed suicide supposedly from playing Dungeons and Dragons. It's the same sh*t, different story kinda thing. The sad part is that many people who watch this and are upset with a loved one already playing the game only get more fuel to their fire to rant and rave about how bad MMRPG's are. We as gamers can strike back by educating our family members on the game and give them real statistics on how much self time is spent as compared to how much time is spent working, with the family, etc... IMHO, 20 hours a week is not too much to ask for self time and if it is a problem, the other person or people involved should make an effort to join their spouse while playing the game (in other words, give a little instead of trying to take away). By creating a common play ground for everyone in your family, you create common interest and a sense of real family and friends. By throwing darts and arrows, it only puts people on the defensive side of things and accomplishes nothing. In anycase, kudo's and my hat's off to Allakhazam for addressing this problem with the liberal media!
Interesting
# Oct 22 2002 at 9:44 AM Rating: Decent
I have to say /agree with Seekor and everyone else who operates in an enlightened capacity when it comes to seeing past the corporate veil of knowledge and straight into their lack of knowledge.

EQ is just a game, nothing more. If your friends and family are complaining that you don't spend enough time with them, turn it off. Spend some time with them. The world of Norrath will still be there when you come back.

I play EQ to have fun, chat with friends old and new, and because it makes me feel good to pretend, as I once did, when I was a child. If there be harm in playing pretend in order to have fun, then our society has truly taken a turn for the worse.

CBS's reporting has given up all pretense of journalist integrity. It is clear that they have now become the Weekly World News of television journalism. Here's to you Morton Downey Jr.! Your legacy of misreporting the facts and skewing information to support the abject criticisms that your mind created lives on at CBS.

/rude CBS

/wave
RE: Interesting
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
I was just thinking that we can watch the story about EQ and think, "what BS", because we know first hand the situation. Now think about all the storys that the media reports on were you don't know the facts first hand. Can we really trust the media to tell us the truth about anything? Little scary to think you may not know the truth about half of what goes on in the world.
Reality
# Oct 22 2002 at 9:43 AM Rating: Default
Doesn't CBS's coverage of something you are thoroughly familiar with, and their obvious skewing of data to make ratings, make anyone here question their takes on the other things they cover? If anything, use this as a wakeup call to the fact that major networks (there are some exceptions) tell you what they want you to hear. They want ratings, truth is a distant second. All those stories you watched on T.V. probably are as off-center from reality as this EQ dilemma. Kind of scary isn't it?
RE: Reality
# Oct 22 2002 at 12:27 PM Rating: Decent
I have been reading these posts an yours stands out in my mind. I have to say that "scarey" is an understatement. They even predicted an election for the President of the United States before all the votes were in. This happened once before, but in today's fast communication world it's inexcusable. "We like this guy, looks like he'll win so we will just report that he has won". How many people skipped the polls that day because of this (on both sides)?

I have stopped watching any form of news. Let me tell you, the stress releif is incredible. No more am I worried about a silent stalker shooting me from the street, or an evil disease spreading to me, or any of a thousand other things taht could happen, like a satelite falling onto my house. I take each day as it comes, and let's face it, probability is on our side for these sensational things NOT to happen to us.

-Zar
Skewed Logic
# Oct 22 2002 at 9:35 AM Rating: Excellent
23 posts
How do we judge addiction versus dedication to something one enjoys? Here is an interesting example. In the last 10 years of his life, Vincent Van Gogh did over 800 paintings (not including drawings). He did 200 in 1888 and 150 in 1889 (the year he admitted himself to an asylum). Then, in 1890, he committed suicide. Van Gogh only sold one painting his entire life (Red Vineyard at Arles). He died virtually unknown to the art world. By CBS's "logic", the excessive time Van Gogh spent on painting, since it obviously caused him to be isolated from others, is arguably a frivolous pastime, and made him no profit, shows that painting is addictive and was no doubt the reason for his suicide. This example shows that you cannot "back into" conclusions like the one CBS is making. The fact that a person likes something, to the point they eschew other things that society finds more important, does not make the activity itself inherently wrong, addictive, or deadly.
#Anonymous, Posted: Oct 22 2002 at 9:50 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Just FYI... Van Gogh was insane. He spent 4 years in an asylum, committed suicide and died in poverty and obscurity.
RE: Skewed Logic
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
23 posts
Exactly my point Sir! The issues are with the mental health of the individual, not the activity.
RE: Skewed Logic
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:54 AM Rating: Default
So I am confused...in your first post you said it was acceptable to have insane and marginalized behavior if its something that you enjoy (i.e., Van Gogh). In your second post you are saying that only people with a weak mental health would engage in the insane and addictive behavior. I am assuming that in the second post you now think this marginalized behavior is a bad thing.

Please check your logic, sir.
RE: Skewed Logic
# Oct 22 2002 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
23 posts
I am beginning to think that you are not trying to understand my point, but are merely another anonymous quarreller. In my first post, I observed that merely because an individual engages in an activity to excess does not make the activity itself bad. My exact words were "The fact that a person likes something, to the point they eschew other things that society finds more important, does not make the activity itself inherently wrong, addictive, or deadly."
I did not say anything about it being acceptable for people to be insane or marginazized. If you are going to debate me (for whatever reason, among the many postings here), don't misquote me. When you claimed that Van Gogh is a poor example because of his insanity, I observed that this reinforces my point - it is not the activity that is objectionable, it is a function of the person's own mental health. Activites that are inherently innocuous can be taken to extremes by particular individuals. The two postings are consistent. If you still do not apprehend my meaning, that is fine. My purpose in posting was to contribute to an overall discussion, not to parse words or trade barbs with you.
RE: Skewed Logic
# Oct 22 2002 at 11:22 AM Rating: Default
Apologies if I have offended you.

My main disagreement is with your statement "The fact that a person likes something, to the point they eschew other things that society finds more important, does not make the activity itself inherently wrong, addictive, or deadly." I believe that the first part of this sentence defines addiction: The condition of being habitually or compulsively occupied with or or involved in something.

EQ is addictive. Plain and simple. You can argue to the contrary but facts are facts.
You all are creeping me out!
# Oct 22 2002 at 9:31 AM Rating: Default
Its just a game, people!

The committment, investment, or whatever that you have in Everquest is just creepy. Just look at some of these posts to understand how strong people feel about this.

Get outside with real people for a change. Read a book. Get involved in the issues in the election. Do something productive. Getting a 60th level uber character is not productive.

...and dont reply back saying that you have a wife, girlfriend, kids, or whatever. You are probably ignoring them just as much as the guy in the 48 hours story ignored his wife and kids.
RE: You all are creeping me out!
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:13 AM Rating: Decent
I find this post funny. :) Ok Mr. Anon, how come you are typing this and not out side? If you never played everquest how did you know this site was here? I have no wife, I have no kids, I have about 3 really good freinds that I see 2-3 times a week, all of this is by choise. I like playing everquest. So to make you happy that I'm to be outside, becuase this is the "normal" thing to do, I will move my computer out on my front porch tonight and play from there. I hope that I help you deal with your creepyness that you have. Cuase we would not want to upset your fraglie little mind about what is normal and what is not. To bad this was all in my haed about all the Fake pepole that have been sending me tels. It must be that evil web of computer freaks that are sending and playing every toon out there but me. The other pepole I have meet, had dinner with, went to there houses, played with there kids, talked to on the phone, and had parties with must all be paid my VI. There just there to help them cover up there tracks. THANK YOU so much for opening my eyes to the real world that is out there, and not to all these fake pepole I have been talking to, even when I went to there fake house, and meet there fake kids.

PS I'm glad to know your out there in the real world never taking a break to get away from anything. Your my Hero /hugs

Aadwen Cracked, Lvl 60 Enchanter, Mixed Nuts
RE: You all are creeping me out!
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:55 AM Rating: Default
Dude, I think you're post is funny - that so many people here feel compelled to defend their lives (or lack thereof) is little different then the coke head defending his habit.

There are alcholics who have apparently normal lives, a job, friends, etc. but they're still addicts. Not every alcoholic is the cliched drunk homeless guy in the gutter.

So just cause you have friends and job doesn't mean you probably couldn't be doing more with your time then developing a non-existent character in a non-existent world that has no inherent value and contributes nothing to the world - yes nothing.

Yeah, I did play EQ, and finally realized my 20+ hrs a week could be better spent than camping the same stupid spawn, trying to complete useless quests, all so I could gain a level to camp harder spawns and complete harder useless quests.

RE: You all are creeping me out!
# Oct 22 2002 at 10:39 AM Rating: Default
I never said I didnt play everquest.

I have no idea whether you are one of the sad eq masses but based upon your post it sounds like it.

Didnt someone once say "The mass of eq players live lives of quiet desperation...From the desperate city zones you go into the desperate outside zones, and have to console yourself with the bravery of toons. A stereotyped but unconscious despair is concealed even under what are called the games and amusements of mankind."
What a Crock of Sh*t
# Oct 22 2002 at 9:06 AM Rating: Default
This is plainly a game,as are any other ones you can pick up at your local Wal-Mart or what ever store you have in your area.People become addicted to these types of games because either 1) they choose to have no social life,as they are viewed as an outsider or 2) they use these types of games as a temporary escape from the stress and struggles of Real Life. I wish the stupid woman would file a law suit against Sony.I am sorry her son decided his life wasn't worth living,but to sit there an blame a game,something that DOES NOT really exist,is pure crap.Try to blame something else for your kid killing himself,not a damn game that over 100,000 people from around the world,most of which lead NORMAL lives enojoy doing.I personally play almost every day,even though I do take breaks from time to time.This is probably the worst piece of "news" I have seen in a few years.

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