My Response to 48 Hours

Last Friday, the CBS News Magazine 48 Hours broadcast a story about Everquest as part of a show about addiction. This broadcast showed such a serious lack of journalistic integrity and left so many questions unanswered that I feel compelled to respond. Clearly, in this case true journalism was set aside, and CBS instead came up with what they thought was a juicy premise and then manufactured the facts to fit, purposefully ignoring the multitude of other facts that repudiated their predetermined storyline. In doing so, they insulted and belittled the hundreds of thousands of us who play and enjoy online games and have no difficulty integrating our hobby into our regular daily lives. (I’m including the DAoC site in this editorial because there is no doubt that had they focused on that game, their premise would have remained the same). The title of their show was “Addiction”, so let me start with the word itself. All too often our media adopts a viable scientific or medical term and warps it far beyond its original meaning to the point where the term loses all actual meaning. Addiction is one of those terms. I am sorry, but Everquest is not addictive. Neither is eating, working, having sex, or any of the myriad other activities our press loves to call addictive. To call Everquest addictive is an insult to the many people out there who are struggling to overcome the many serious and valid debilitating addictions in our world. An addictive substance is something you need, not want, and no matter how you look at it, nobody needs to play Everquest. Playing Everquest is definitely a lot of fun, and some may prefer playing it to doing any of the other activities life may offer, even to the point of ignoring things society deems important. This is not an addiction, but rather a lack of self control. A man sweating with the anguish of withdrawal from his normal dose of heroin is addicted and in need to help to kick his habit. His body needs that heroin. A man who plays Everquest to the point where he ignores his family, job and life is simply out of control. He may want to keep playing the game, but he does not need it. There is a difference. CBS’s premise that this is some sort of evil game that sucks the mind out of its players and causes them to lose control of their lives is simply ridiculous. If someone loses control of his life, it is likely that he would have found some other way to do it even if he did not find Everquest. It makes for a juicy headline, but really is tabloid journalism at its worst. Even more tabloid journalism was the presentation itself. Is there any doubt that 48 Hours interviewed hundreds of people and kept rejecting person after person for being too normal or because the game did not have any negative impact on their lives before picking their eventual subjects? Even the player they eventually did decide to film hardly supported their premise, although they used every trick in their book to make it seem that he did. It’s obvious they had no intention of presenting an unbiased article and routinely rejected anything that contradicted the story they wanted to make. They instead wanted to shock the viewer and make him believe that there are hundreds of thousands of mentally unstable gaming addicts playing this online video game who are probably just steps away from killing themselves and who knows how many others. Obviously the CBS motto is to never let the facts get in the way of a good story. The player they finally chose to interview was a doctor who played Everquest about 20 hours a week. He seemed to be a fairly normal person with a normal family life. They obviously chose him because his wife complained that she wished that he spent less time playing Everquest and more time with his family. The implication was clear that this was an otherwise good and normal man hopelessly corrupted by this evil game. Funny, but I saw something else. Here is a man who manages to hold down a high pressure job, is a loving husband, properly raises his children and provides for his family. Yet CBS wants to excoriate him for stealing 20 hours a week of private time for himself, because he does it playing a video game and, quite frankly, they think that’s weird. They showed him sitting there fighting something in the game and then zoomed in to the reporter so that she could arch her eyebrows and look properly horrified that anyone would be silly enough to waste his time on something like that. “Look”, she said, “he even has trouble looking away from the screen when I’m talking to him”. Oh if only he hadn’t met this evil game, he would surely be the perfect husband and father. Let me add something up here. CBS sports is a very profitable part of their network. Watching two Sunday NFL games takes a good 7 hours. A single college game on Saturday is another 3 ½ hours and there are games on all day long. Add in a couple baseball, basketball or hockey games during the week and you can easily add up to 20 hours watching sports on TV for just your average sports fan. A dedicated sports fan would of course go much higher than that. I’m guessing if that was his hobby, 48 Hours would have never come knocking at his door. “Man ignores family to watch football” does not make as tantalizing a headline as “Man becomes addicted to evil video game”. I don’t see CBS urging their sports division to put a warning label at the bottom of every football game warning that watching sports can be addictive and cause you to spend time away from your family. His wife should be glad he is not going out to the bars every night with his friends like many other men and women and that he instead found a way to blow off steam that keeps him at home and available when she needs him and that comes at a relatively small cost. She was never asked, but would any of us be surprised to find out that the wife who is complaining so much about her husband’s game playing spends far more than 20 hours a week watching television or shopping. I would think just about anyone spends at least 20 hours a week on personal projects and hobbies. Playing golf, sports, television, reading, and shopping are a few obvious examples of activities people spend long hours at, but there are plenty of others. Of course that wouldn’t fit into CBS’s concept for the show, so those facts simply got ignored. Besides, they want to make him look weird, not normal, and pointing that out would simply remind people that this isn’t really all that odd after all. He’s playing a video game, so there must be something wrong with him. This is after all a tabloid and not a real news show. 48 Hours also interviewed Ben Stein about his son’s Everquest playing. I guess this was to show that even pseudo-celebrities like him are not immune to this scourge. (If they wanted to interview a celebrity, why not a real one who actually plays Everquest like Curt Schilling? – Oh yeah, Curt would have told them they were full of it and blown a hole in their whole false and demeaning premise). Am I the only one struck by Mr. Stein’s method of stopping his son from playing EQ? He sent him off to a boarding school where, according to Mr. Stein, they did not allow games like that to be played. After a stint of time away from Everquest, and not coincidentally away from his parents, he was suddenly cured. (and I’m glad we were spared the manufactured scenes of his son lying in bed at the boarding house, body shaking and sweating profusely, and mewing pitifully about “just one more orc, please just one more”). Well, Ben, why didn’t you just not allow those games at your house? If your son is playing video games to what you consider an excess, maybe you should just put your foot down and pull the plug on his computer. If he instead spent his time downloading online porn, would you have let him do that for a while until you finally threw up your hands and sent him off to a porn-free school somewhere? Who is the problem here? The teenager who plays a game to excess, or for that matter does anything to excess, or the parent who allows it? Sorry Ben, but don’t blame the manufacturer of a game for your bad parenting. Finally, there is poor Mrs. Woolley. It must be terrible to lose a son, and we all feel sympathy for her. But eventually she is going to have to face up to the fact that Everquest did not have anything to do with it. Shawn was a troubled and mentally disturbed child and had been so for all of his life. Something was bound to set him off eventually. Maybe it was indeed something that happened to him in the game. Everquest is after all populated with real people, and the inability to interact with people seemed to be at the root of his mental illness. It really could have been just about anything that brought about his suicide. The unfortunate fact in life is that sometimes bad things happen and there’s not much we can do about it. Blaming Everquest for her son’s death probably makes Mrs. Woolley feel better and gives her an outlet for her grief, and you know what? I really have no problem with that. Let her deal with her grief in whatever manner she wishes. What is wrong is for a news outlet like CBS to exploit her grief for the sake of their ratings. And make no mistake that this is pure exploitation on their part. “Satanic Video game convinces man to commit suicide” was just too good a headline for them to resist. The tabloid journalists who make up the 48 Hours staff must have truly started salivating when they thought that one up. So they hauled their cameras into that poor woman’s living room and helped feed her delusion so that they could broadcast it to the rest of the world and sell a lot of commercials. Frankly, this part makes me sicker than any other part of their story. Manufacturing facts to make up a false story you hope will bring big ratings makes you a poor journalist, but exploiting a mother’s suffering and grief from the death of her son for those ratings makes you a poor human being. The journalists who made their trek to the Woolley residence to get their juicy video game murder story were simply parasites feeding on that poor woman’s grief and delusions. I’d like to think that Susan Spencer, the journalist who did this story, has a little more trouble sleeping a night because of her actions, but unfortunately I doubt it bothers her in the least. It is sad to see that the network of the great Walter Cronkite has sunk to such depths. I had always thought journalism was about facts first and story second. Yet CBS managed to do an entire story on the supposedly addictive and evil nature of this game without displaying a single fact to prove it and by ignoring the many facts that disprove it. In the end they made fun of something they know nothing about, exploited something that should be pitied instead, and succeeded in nothing more than insulting the hundreds of thousands of people who consider playing Everquest and other video games a normal, healthy and enjoyable part of their lives. For what it’s worth, they also lost my respect and viewer ship. If you wish to contact CBS about this show, here is the contact information: 48 Hours 524 West 57th St. New York, NY 10019 E-MAIL: 48hours@cbsnews.com. PHONE: (212) 975-3247
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Television????
# Oct 21 2002 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
What is this Television you speak of????
Since I started EQ I turned off my cable and get no TV reception. That means I NEVER watch TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why? Cause I get to write the shows now.

CBS must hate that.
Nonsense
# Oct 21 2002 at 7:26 PM Rating: Good
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First off, I would have to agree almost(though not absolutely) with Allakhazam's editorial. (The part I disagree with is the notion that CBS would not come to a house where 'Man ignores family to watch football'--I believe they would and did back before they got football back in the 90's.)

The medical professional featured as 'the living addicted player' was villafied because the so-called journalist there with him could not understand the game. When a reporter has no interest in learning a subject and already has a prejudice against it, there is no way that an unbiased report will emerge. I think that if I brought my computer-illiterate 87 year-old grandmother over to watch/play EQ with me, she would think it foolish also. Does that make it evil? I think not. Conversely, if she wanted me to sit with her and watch/learn how to crochet by hand(which she does at least 45 hours a week--ADDICT), and I did not want to, would I deem it evil? Of course not.

I would also like to expound on the suicide that was featured. His mother claimed that his character was named Iloveyou. I don't think that such a name would be allowed-although I have seen so many that defy the naming rules that it might be true.
Second, the photo of the suicide room showed Everquest on the monitor. But he was not even 'on' as the photo was at the connect screen.
Thirdly, even though I may offend some people here, I would like to make an analogy of this boy's mental state. The only thing I could think of was that he probably would have commited suicide if he went to the last Star Wars movie and his favorite character died. He was clearly not a well person, and his family ignored his problems until it was too late.


I know I have not added much, if anything, to the discussion, but it seems that to all of us that enjoy the game and haven't killed ourselves realize that this story was utter rubbish.

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# Oct 21 2002 at 7:16 PM Rating: Default
I believe you hit the nail on the head. CBS should be ashamed of themselves. You can very easily make it look like any number of hobbies is addictive. My father works on cars in his spare time. I would say more than 20hours a week. Does that make him addicted to repairing classic cars? No.

Everquest is a game that is a challenge. If i did not pay the monthly subscription cost for everquest i would probably be playing a game, by myself, and might spend $50 a month or more. I interact with a multitude of people from many diferent countries, something i could not do playing solitare or monopoly on my computer. I have many friends that i have met on Everquest that if i were not playing i would never have known.

It is unfair that they label this game, or any for that matter, addictive. It is a game. A very good game, but nothing more. Any person who would take their own life or anothers because of a game is not mentally stable. It is not the games fault.


scincerely,
Brian Cook
Tulsa, OK
An avid EQer for going on 3 years,
Totally sane,
And not in the least ADDICTED!

wheres cbs?
# Oct 21 2002 at 7:08 PM Rating: Default
Sorry, hit the wrong button accidently last time, but i'd like to know if cbs will even respond to this.
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btw anything fun could be considered addicting, and i dont see reporters looking away from the camera much when reporting the news.... who figured
It's just a 5-minute wonder
# Oct 21 2002 at 7:00 PM Rating: Decent
EQ is based around a psychologically addictive process which has nothing to do with gaming but a lot to do with the way the brain responds to timed stimuli. I read an excellent thesis a year or two back which drew comparisons between the timing-reward structure of EQ and classic lab-rat addiction experiments. Very convincing evidence, not like this tabloid raving. Didn't keep a copy, sadly, but it may still be out there on the web somewhere.

However, whether EQ's potential to addict represents a problem is another matter entirely. It's self-evident that after three and a half years of EQ and more than 5 years of MMORPGs that there is no significant addiction problem among the vast player-base. It is a non-problem.

Nothing is going to happen as a result of this tv "investigation", EQ and games like it won't be banned or controlled, everyone will forget about it in five minutes. And so should we.

Oh, and Alakhazam - you are talking nonsense in the opening paragraphs where you misdescribe the addictive process. Addiction is almost entirely a psychological condition, can probably be inherited, and can be induced in just about anyone by certain stimuli. Physical addiction is another thing entirely, and a considerably easier one to address and treat.
RE: It's just a 5-minute wonder
# Oct 22 2002 at 2:50 AM Rating: Default
hmm try an find it if you could, sounds pretty interestng.

I also saw a study by some dude in harvard. it was also psych ithink, but he did a demographical breakdown as a statistics excercise. if i can find it il post the link here.

it is sad stuff like this will enver see the news, when it has the potential to educate, even enhance the abilty of ppl to think.

instead we have crap like im addicted to (insert flavor of the month here), what is addiction, elvis fathered my baby after he fixed my toaster, eq killed my child, etc
wheres cbs?
# Oct 21 2002 at 6:55 PM Rating: Default
Anti-Geek Syndrome
# Oct 21 2002 at 6:48 PM Rating: Default
This whole attitude stems from the anti-thinking attitude that pervades American culture. Jocks are eternally revered, while the geeks of the nation are shoved into lockers. (No, i'm not speaking out of personal experience, exactly) For how many years has the public denounced RPGs in general? Only within the past few years has the gaming industry in general started to make RPG-ish games with an appeal broader than the sci-fi/swords & sorcery genre. Face it, Americans will always respect somone who can hit a little ball with a big stick, but someone who can think will be viewed as a reject. (After all, look at who's in the White House!) <sarcasm alert> Let's not forget that a normal person could never enjoy these freakish delights! </sarcasm alert>

Keep on gaming!!!
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# Oct 21 2002 at 6:37 PM Rating: Good
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Sigh, the report by CBS news reminded me rather strongly of the backlash against DnD about 15-20 years ago. The mother of a mentally unbalanced son started BADD (Bothered About Dungeons & Dragons) as an anti-role playing game oganization clone of MADD. She was successful in removing devil and demons from DnD as monsters. She claimed her son became a satanist because of DnD and that he never would've commited suicide if he hadn't played DnD.

Like Mrs. Woolley she refused to accept the fact that there was something wrong with her son before he started playing DnD and all role playing games have suffered for it. Like Mrs. Woolley she was paraided out on talk show after daytime talk show to spout off 'expert' opionions on the dangers of DnD. Apparently the fact that she started, but never completed, a psychology training program made her (Patricia Pulling) an 'expert' in the minds of the media. It was also never reported by the media, Michael Stackpole wrote an article on it, it's called The Pulling Report you can find it here: http://www.rpg.net/252/quellen/stackpole/pulling_report.html This technique of blaiming things on something that didn't cause the root of the problem was pioneered by "Seduction of the Innocent" which caused the formation of the Comic Code Authority (now pretty much ignored by most comic companies).

Fortunately the internet now exists which helps debunk yellow journalism. But it's annoying to see it start up all over again with a new media. I'm an old time roleplayer, I played DnD from the original tan booklets, and I remember what people thought about roleplayers back then. Sadly it doesn't seem to have changed much.

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# Oct 21 2002 at 6:36 PM Rating: Default
ok i'm addicted i admit it, but my parents don't care when your as old as i am and play eq (14) parents should be more concerned if your addicted to drugs or alcohol playing games if F`ing normal!
IQ and EQ
# Oct 21 2002 at 6:28 PM Rating: Default
Funny... I was just playing EQ the other day when my roommate's boyfriend stopped by. He watched me play for a few minutes... was absolutely fascinated by the game. But... he made the comment he knows he isn't intelligent enough to really play a game like this.

I started thinking about some of the postings I have seen on the boards and some of the conversations I have had with other players on EQ, DAOC, what-have-you. Many of the people I play with are REALLY intelligent people, the type of people who were shunned in school because their overwhelming talents appeared to be in they way they think as opposed to the way they shoot a basketball. Maybe they can do the physics or calculus or write poetry that an average person just doesn't understand.

And it seems they are still getting picked on for doing things others just don't understand. This time the media is getting in on it (although their motives are ratings related instead of just to make themselves feel better like the bullies in school). Or is it? Maybe they just can't understand... are unable to comprehend the desire to communicate with other intelligent people, utilizing your imagination in ways that are difficult to do when glued to the boob-tube.

Oh.. my roommate's boyfriend? He is a journalist for CNN. He claims to not have the smarts for playing a game like EQ, but atleast he has enough brains to realize it isn't an evil game.
RE: IQ and EQ
# Oct 21 2002 at 7:28 PM Rating: Decent
I play eq. have for about 3years. Im not the wisest person on the world or the most intelligent.

But the US Navy thinks I am smart enough to be in one of their most difficult feilds.

Nuclear Field: Advanced Electronic Computer Field: Electronics Technician

Go figure.

RE: IQ and EQ
# Oct 22 2002 at 3:09 AM Rating: Default
oh no!

you are goin to blow us all up one day because you are playin eq instead of tending to your atom mill.

as far as iq goes it is not really a relevant test. sure it would be nice to put a number to human intelligence. it is valid in a general sense; a person w an iq of around 70 will be very slow, trouble reading etc, where a person around 140 will be pretty bright.

the correlation between high iq an poor socialization, esp in the US is a very prevalent one. in fact there was documentary done on this a few months ago. it featured the person with the highest measured iq. he has slightly over 200, and fits the model of poor socialization perfectly. he earns 8,000$ per year, working as a bouncer at a local night club. not that he does not have any intellectual persuits, he just does not make any money from them. his life is not well organized.
many of the members of mensa featured on this show were also suffering from poor socialization. is this a product of society, or of an individual's patter of focusing on abstract thinking to the expense of symathy an harmony with those around them?

I wouldnt put to much emphasis on such an indicator as it misses a lot of things. and dont think im a person trying to feel better about a low iq, i actually have a very high one. all it really means is i can think much faster than average, but it does not mean my thinking will be right, or even any more valid than anyone else.

lastly things like art, humaninty, culture are not measured. i guess the point is you only have so much brain power (mana) available to you, so use it wisely.
#Anonymous, Posted: Oct 21 2002 at 6:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) people don't play EQ to communicate wiht higher society... yet another bogus post... thanks for the shoddy review allakhazam you bum
show
# Oct 21 2002 at 6:18 PM Rating: Good
I watched this 48 hours show and all they seemed to do is mention nothing but crap. Tons of people play Eq and I bet only a slight few can say there "addicted". Eq is just a hobbie for me as for alot of others who make a great living outside the realm of norrath.

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Think About This
# Oct 21 2002 at 6:14 PM Rating: Default
Ok let me start off by saying I think everyone of you are right to a degree. Now let me explain. Maybe there are EQ addicts and maybe that is not the right description of what they are. So what, is the U.S. not the land of the FREE? Free to choose where you live, where you work, what you drive, who you are friends with, what you do in your own time in your own space in your own home? Give me a break people, we are not a communist country. Everyone has that God given right to do as they please as long as they are not breaking any LAW. I am a EQ player with quite a few high level characters. I play on the Seventh Hammer server and if any of you are on there you would know me best as Bahalla Spiritqueen. My husband started playing over 2 years ago, I started about 6 months after him and my 14 yr old son started 6 months ago. I think this game is no worse then people watching TV, playing golf, going fishing, knitting, painting, etc. The person is what makes the addiction not the product or activity they are performing. This is a game just like LIFE, it is what you make of it....come on people get a grip.
RE: Think About This
# Oct 21 2002 at 6:25 PM Rating: Good
NEWSFLASH!!

this just in...

Tiger Woods is hooked on golf...

ack...

transmission fading...

must....

get.....

story.....
RE: Think About This
# Oct 21 2002 at 6:35 PM Rating: Default
ROFLMAO......EXACTLY.....
PoP
# Oct 21 2002 at 6:06 PM Rating: Decent
Has anybody gotten their PoP copy from UPS yet. I am having withdrawls...... AWWWWW CRAP.... maybe 48 hrs was right :(

Edited, Mon Oct 21 18:51:21 2002
Write
# Oct 21 2002 at 6:04 PM Rating: Default
Hey, folks. Sending email to CBS is fine. Do it, but also write a real pen-and-paper letter to them. It may not be fair, but a letter is something that they can hold in their hands, and it's something they can see when it's piled up. Email is intangible, takes up no space, and doesn't come in heavy bags that someone has to lug around. So, if you really want CBS to consider what you have to say, write. The address is listed above at the end of the editorial.
Grrr....
# Oct 21 2002 at 6:01 PM Rating: Default
Okay so I might not be the "typical" EQ player, but I think many of you would consider yourselves atypical of the stereotype of what a gamer is.

I am a 24 year old female, who loves to read (not fantasy books I hate them) and I play EQ. A year ago I would have admitted I was addicted, even six months ago, but now that EQ is no longer new to me...I don't think I am addicted. I play when I get a chance or when I feel like it. I don't put my real life on hold for the game, but I don't drop game obligations for real life eithor. This gets my real life, non EQ friends confused, but...if I sign up for a raid, I am not going to blow off the raid to hang out at a bar.

I don't have children, I live with my boyfriend, who also plays EQ (actually we met on the game, but that is a whole nother story) and we have a satisfying...physical life, and we go out like normal couples do. We also spend time together on the game.

What people who don't play the game don't understand is that all though we may seem to spend a majority of our time playing the game, we could be doing a lot worse. I have friends with numerous DUI's, babies out of wedlock, broken down relationships, poor work history, or who are constantly fired from their jobs. My playing EQ doesn't risk anyone else...doesn't interfere with normal face to face interaction...and is a lot more satisfying and cheaper then hanging out at a bar. I also am a normal, well adjusted person, fairly intelligent, and I know how to interact with people.

Shawn, the guy who killed himself...obviously didn't have good social skills. I know that is pointing fingers, but he was emotionally and physically disabled, and his social skills were never built on. I don't have children, so I don't know what losing one, especially losing one to suicide, feels like, but I can say that this poor woman needs to find someone to blame, and why not Everquest...in her eyes she is picking something tangible yet not personal, and needing something to blame for her sons death is normal, yet a year later it is time to let it go. I feel for this woman, I will admit that, but instead of lashing out at a tangible thing, move on, admit your son had a problem, and whether he was "addicted" to a game or to drugs, or to sex....he would not be able to function normally. It is a sad thing, but...suicide does happen. I have lost family members to suicide led by depression, and I know how hard it is to face. But I am not about to blame say...the guy who broke up with someone before they killed themselves. This person didn't know how to react, and in their pain and grief didn't think through the foreverness of suicide. It is not the games fault, nor is it his mother's fault or even his own. He was messed up. If it hadn't been EQ on his computer it would have been something else. EQ is a lot more harmless then say, a lot of pornographic material out there.

48 hours is just trying to get ratings, and by talking so much about it we are giving them attention, which is what they want.
RE: Grrr....
# Oct 21 2002 at 6:06 PM Rating: Default
One last thing I forgot to add...

If I had children, teenage children I would much rather them be "addicted" to EQ then do half the things I did while I was a teenager. While it rules out face to face interaction, it also rules out drinking, drugs and promiscuity. Just a thought. I don't know why parents complain. If my mom had the choice between me as a teenage partying all the time, or spending it in front of a computer playing a game...I know she would have picked playing the game.
RE: Grrr....
# Oct 21 2002 at 8:35 PM Rating: Default
harmphh.

my parents seem to not want me on EQ. I spend about an hour on and it's "Get off the internet! You've played too long!" maybe i should remind them of what i could be doing instead of playing EQ? j/k
lol what did you expect?
# Oct 21 2002 at 5:44 PM Rating: Good
cbs is a boiler room tabliod, that gives a bad name to all serious journalists in existence.

the sensationalist crap they show is extremely damaging to the reputation of americans. just watch a few episodes an you will start to think they are fat, stupid, and always hooked on something (war, crack, sex, tv, food, phonics). now many americans are nothin like this, but i'll wager the ones at cbs are--the apple never falls too far from the tree.

these huscksters are badly in need of a royal family. clinton came close, but didnt quite finish the job. g dubbya is hooked on sadam. the beltway sniper is hooked on killin, and shoplifters are hooked on stealing. does that mean a person who steals food is hooked on eating? just check their website to find out.

who writes this crap? more importantly who listens to it? well its the americans who are hooked on news. in fact this is a journaleseianological term for giving relevance to a boring, possibly untrue story. i wont give the exact definition here, you can email 48 hours and do some "INVESTIGATING" of your own.

to the ppl at cbs: how does it feel to be a yesman? a mouthpeice to millions? and what garbage goes in and comes out of your mouths... your kind claiming to have integrity is like the ***** of babylon saying i may not have my cherry anymore, but at least i still have the box it came in.

to the ppl that were offended by this show (btw i never watch crap like this) dont be. tv was made for ppl who cant read. the next time you see something like this, just smile an nod knowingly. but dont ever take any of this as a commentary on yourself, or sham tabloid news will truly become your worst addiction.
Third time's a charm
# Oct 21 2002 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
Hey Alla, if you happen to read this how bout a poll concerning this bit of trashy journalism for the EQ page. Like, 100% disagree/agree, Mostly disagree/agree, Didn't see it and don't want to/Didn't see it and want to... Might be interesting.
Where are the " facts"?
# Oct 21 2002 at 5:24 PM Rating: Decent
just curious, but I've read in a few of these post comments like "We all know that people have lost relationships, lost there jobs suffered because of this game, and so on , and so on.I don't deny that this has probably happened to some extent. But I'm just wondering where are we getting these "facts"? I know that there are mesage boards with mother's and wife's talking about how thier loved ones are throwing thier life away on this blasted game, but lets be honest somewhere out there , there is a flat earth mesage board as well. I want to know where are the facts on this, or is this like the early 80's , with all the rubbish about kids killing themselvs over D&D.(Just to set the record straight on that one, Never happened. All a bad Tom Hanks movie.)Show me some facts. Some real facts about how this game has destroyed lifes, How this game has taken ordinary people and turned them into computer playing zombies , and i'll listen. At last count we have had over 400000 people signed up to this game. One person with a dubious mental state took his life(for reasons unknown. lets be clear on that. all we have to go on his mother, not the most unbaised person out there.)I'm fairly sure that 400000 to 1 beats the national average on sucides.Show me facts . Untill you do I'm going to treat this like it's another pinball machine scare from the 40's, or comic books are bad for the youths scare from the 50's , or D&D players are secertly satan worshippers bull from the 80's,or video games are corrupting our children from the 90's type of rubbish.
Untill then my wife and i will continue to play this game with our 9 year old son and 19 year old nephew. We will also hold down full time jobs (cept the 9 year old . he just isnt pulling his wieght.). We will also continue to pursue our various hobbies, and interests.Show some real facts and not wifes tales or 3rd party accounts about how horrible this game is, and i'll reconsider.
RE: Where are the
# Oct 21 2002 at 8:39 PM Rating: Decent
Psaltry, your is one of the most clear headed messages I have seen on the subject. To all my friends who play EQ and love the game I know your are mad but I think it best to just ignore CBS because it obvious that they want to be TV's version of the National Inquirer ,god forbid they would really looked at the facts objectivily. Lets say we look at the lives of all 400,000 subscribers will we find one person who is sucidal,a murder, a child molester,a drug addict,a alcholic, a spose abuser, a thief, or dog kicker? Ok so we are bound to find one of those amoung the 400,000 so let blame EQ, does this make sense to you ? No, not to you but it does to CBS because they can make a so called story of that one person damaged by EQ . This tells me that CBS is to be ignored because they have 0% creditablity. Next week CBS will be anouncing that the Pope is married and Santa Claus is really a space alien.
Friends, just remember is always something to blame the problems of the world with, whether it jazz music,comic books,Elvis,free love,rock & roll music,movies,D&D, video games or a hundred other things so don't take it too hard it just the way things are.

Peace from a 60's Hippy

Stever

Edited, Mon Oct 21 21:22:47 2002
RE: Where are the
# Oct 21 2002 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
In all seriousness, you're bringing up a good point. One item I pointed out to CBS in my letter, was that this is a community like any other. Their logic reminded me of a philosophy class that I took many, many years ago, called "Logic as Critical Thinking".

The point that all of us share, is that the logic CBS was inferring that Everquest is an MMORPG that hosts subscribers with no self control, or emotional stability. Their logic was akin to this kind of statement: 1. Communities deal with murder and suicide. 2. People feel they need to get away from reality by playing a computer game. Therefore, people who feel they need to get away from reality by playing a computer game commit murder and suicide.

What kind of logical sense does that make? We have about 300 comments that state this kind of statement makes no sense at all.

The show was built upon a foundation of inference and Yellow Journalism. Oddly enough, this kind of journalistic style started in 1896, was suppressed until the 1950s, and has remained as a mainstream reporting strategy. Too bad, CBS. Perhaps you need some new writers.
question
# Oct 21 2002 at 5:23 PM Rating: Default
where can i read this cbs report ?? or c the show . . .
Addiction isnt always Physical
# Oct 21 2002 at 5:19 PM Rating: Default
Evening,

Personally, I hated the 48 hours episode. It was a one sided piece that did not show much of the truth. They did hit on a few key factors though.

Everquest is addictive. Its a physcological addiction. No its not debillitating, but it does have effects on our lives.

I have a wife and a son. I spend a good 20-30 hours a week playing Everquest. I manage to fit in time at the playground, time on the couch, and time at the local bar.

The effect of Everquest on my life has been a basically a change of sleep patterns. I sacrifice sleep to fuel my desire to play Everquest.

In all honesty it doesnt have an impact on my life or work. But there are others who suffer from psyhcological addiction who dont have a great deal of control. Sexual addiction is a true condition in the United States. This isnt a chemical imbalance, its a mental addiction.

Some people will take the game too far. To those people I recommend therapy. But there are plenty of us who balance our addiction with our real lives and live healthy ones at that.

Who is really to blame?
# Oct 21 2002 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent
As a friend of mine told me today, blaming that kids death on EQ is tantamount to blaming a spoon for Rosie O'Donnel being fat. It just doesn't fly. It's so sad that CBS has stooped to such a low tactic as to bring in a grieving mother to exploit. I expect they will put Phil Donohue on as anchor next. Surely we need a new story on republican transexual lesbian lovers who were once democrats and have been artificially inseminated with the sperm of gay men and blame it all on eating peanut butter when they were children. After the embarassment of the "Addiction" show, I would only think Phils show would be an upgrade.

/em sighs deeply, gives a large "harumph" and turns away to mez another mob...

Marim
56 Beguiler
Povar
Rock n Roll
# Oct 21 2002 at 5:07 PM Rating: Default
Dont forget, "Rock and Roll" is evil too. And dancing to that music is some kind of pagan ritual that is against the very social fabric that we have today. Oh wait that was the 50's & 60's. Ok, today its Video Games. Gotcha.

I thought one aspect of bothering with historical record was to stop making the same mistakes ...

In 2030 our kids (and/or grandkids =/) are going to be watching movies on CBS that poke fun at this. Just you wait.

RE: Rock n Roll
# Oct 21 2002 at 7:02 PM Rating: Default
lol i sure hope i get to see that. As i am 14 yrs old, i think that if that happens i will be a witness to it...

..wait, or will i commit suicide since my ranger didn't have enough DPS for the sword he wanted?(as so implied by CBS and their 48 Hours show)

ROFL, im 14 and i believe i have more sense than the people who made that bias program. HAHA all they wanted is high ratings i bet, and what comes from high ratings? MONEY! Who's addicted now?
#Anonymous, Posted: Oct 21 2002 at 5:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Rock and roll isnt addictive... and i don't remember the reporter calling everquest evil so shut the hell up
RE: Rock n Roll
# Oct 21 2002 at 5:50 PM Rating: Default
That was the implication, half wit, that EQ is evil.

EQ isn't addictive, though Shawn Wooley's mother and 48 Hours want you to think so.
Dont worry too much
# Oct 21 2002 at 5:04 PM Rating: Default
I wouldnt worry about CBS's attempt at subverting the game so that you can go back to doing other things, like watching them (Uh oh we've poked the bear in taking some of their advertising revenue). For those of us older players, we all remember when several news shows and parent's groups tried to blame Dungeons and Dragons for several suicides, murders and changing the personalities of their children. Well D&D is still here. EQ will still be here (or maybe it will be EQII or EQIII) and parents and journalists will be aomong at a new target
#Anonymous, Posted: Oct 21 2002 at 5:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Five Words! Evil is not easily destroyed.
I sent this to CBS
# Oct 21 2002 at 5:02 PM Rating: Decent
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This is the body of the letter I sent to CBS.
Everybody should do the same with their own opinions and views.

This article I'm about to send you clearly sums up the views of not just hundreds or thousands, but tens of thousands of people that currently subscribe to and play Everquest.
The only comments I want to add to this are my personal opinions and state some pretty simple facts that we already have a few media outlets working on for a story. (Which mind you, will be unbiased and compeltely contradict the views and opinions stated on your CBS special)

First and foremost, Everquest is a game.
Let me repeat that.
Everquest is a game.

This game is not deeper than you think. This game is not evil. This game has no feelings, no emotion -- it is a GAME. You've all played games in your lives. I'm not quite sure of the age range for CBS's current staff, but I'd venture to imagine since Pac-Man and Donkey Kong have been out since the early 80's most everybody in the building has had their shot at them.

Now you mention in your article about 20 hours a week being the addiction...
Driving 1hr 10min to work and home = 15hr 20min IN my car
-- am I addicted to driving?

The average smoker that smokes a pack a day, at 3min a cigarette (respectively) is smoking a full 1 hour a day. Thats seven hours a week, of smoking. They say tobacco is addictive, they say it harms the body and can cause problems in early child development, they say it leads to Cancer --
Play Everquest for 20hrs a week, and these things MIGHT happen to you. You MIGHT socialize with thousands of people at once. You MIGHT get hungry. You MIGHT get thirsty. You MIGHT not answer the phone. You MIGHT get sore wrists. (Use soft padding).
There are people that I work with, and others in the same social community that I work in that take drugs or drink heavily every night of the week. I guarantee you, if you present an online documentary of people's lives going downhill because of heroin, or cocaine, or alcohol (like you and other media companies have done for years) all in one evening -- you still wouldn't have the amount of response you're getting in regards to your Everquest story.

We are a conglomerate of intelligent, creative, and expressive people from all walks of life all across the world.

Others may not agree with this statement, so I'll take this one out on a limb, but I'm generally bored with current line of immediate entertainment we have. When footballs not on, the TV is not worth having on -- and many others agree that reliable evening NEWS and TV sports is all we have left for media entertainment...oops, better be careful -- Sopranos too.

Can you say that about your local PTA?
How about your drinking buddies?
Even refer to your neighbor as something like that?

I didn't think so? Feeling left out, you should.

Just don't be jealous or upset that we're spending our time playing a video game that you can't comprehend the dimensions of, instead of watching your patethtic representation of the news and submitting to daily monotonous television show rituals and buying your eye-candy commercial advertisement.

Although -- as a side note. If any staff of CBS or any family of CBS staff is looking to start a character -- we'd love to have ya. Oh, and don't worry -- no commercials here.

Calibrok
Druzzil Ro
40 Paladin

Donny
St. Louis
Web Design
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OMG
# Oct 21 2002 at 4:58 PM Rating: Default
I found it necessary to jump on this bandwagon, and against my usual response, I had to email them.

To Whom it May Concern:

I am sure you have received plenty of mail regarding your recent episode on Everquest. As one of thousands of "unadicted" players, I must say that your episode was the most ridiculous and unresearched junk I have ever seen short of the Enquirer. This reminds one of the "Twinkie Defense." While lawyers tried to put the reason for a murder on overeating those evil Twinkies, millions of Twinkie eaters worldwide have (surprise!) stayed normal and sane. Maybe not thin, but definitely sane.

I used to respect your show. Now I will find it difficult to believe anything you choose to cover in the future and am questioning anything you covered in the past. In fact, I don't like to try to second guess the Enquirer, nor do I intend to do the same with you. Count me out as one of your once-upon-a-time, pun intended, regular viewers.

Beth
Everquest Player and unafraid Twinkie Eater
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