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hi everyone ^_^
I was reading a post about Raise II and III becomming very expensive, largly due to people botting and selling gil. i started posting a reply but then i thought what the hay i might as well start a new topic for discussion. so here goes...
btw appologies in advance if this has already been discuessed somewhere else but i am new to FFXI and this BBS.
anyway.....
things in the AH are becomming more and more expensive right?
and this is largly due to gil selling and botters etc... ok?
but wait there is another eliment in the problem that once removed would stop all the gil selling and botting in its tracks.
it is............. you! you poeple out there who are foolish enough to buy these things. im only a n00b and when i try and sell something in the AH and it does not sell for ages, do you know what i do... i reduce the price... and crazily if i reduce it to a sensible price it will sell.
my theory is if EVERY one on the server boycots all the heigh price stuff then the price will fall. it is simple supply and demand. if we all did it for a month the prices would come down, you'll see. and the hopfully the acconomy on the server would return to norlam. if the prices fall then there is also no need for people to buy gil any more and so it would put an end to that.
it is you crazy people out there who are willing to pay sick amount of money for items that is really the cause of the problem not the people who are scamming. the scammers would not scam if people did but buy into their scams. its that simple.
i belive they would stop faster than you think too. why not give it a go and see.
i would love to here what you all think. ^_^
/em dreams of the day when all scammers are dead, gone and a bit of a joke. :P
I do agree with you on boycotting...to a certain degree. But the thing is, there are people in this game that are legitmate players with insane amounts of gil.
People who are in large LSs that do BCNMs on a regular basis.
People who are high level crafters.
People who are already lvl 65+ that can farm good money making mobs.
People who have cornered the Luminicloth market (did you guys know you can garden this stuff)?
People that are in HNMLSs.
People who are uber Fishermen.
These people can afford those insane prices, and quite frankly, will tell you that 1mil gil is pocket change. So if an Uber Fisherman with a few mil in the bank decides to go level his lvl 10 job, and if the stuff he needs has been recently inflated from let's say 5000g to over 10K, that's chump change to them - they spent the time to make the money - they are not gonna wait around for the prices to come down.
Boycott sounds good - but in reality is hard to see it happening. But yea, if enough people say "NO" to insane prices, it will come down - like the Raise II scrolls ^^b YAY
People who are in large LSs that do BCNMs on a regular basis.
People who are high level crafters.
People who are already lvl 65+ that can farm good money making mobs.
People who have cornered the Luminicloth market (did you guys know you can garden this stuff)?
People that are in HNMLSs.
People who are uber Fishermen.
These people can afford those insane prices, and quite frankly, will tell you that 1mil gil is pocket change. So if an Uber Fisherman with a few mil in the bank decides to go level his lvl 10 job, and if the stuff he needs has been recently inflated from let's say 5000g to over 10K, that's chump change to them - they spent the time to make the money - they are not gonna wait around for the prices to come down.
Boycott sounds good - but in reality is hard to see it happening. But yea, if enough people say "NO" to insane prices, it will come down - like the Raise II scrolls ^^b YAY
Ultimitly the funny thing is that the people with a lot of gil are often the same people who complain that others do not buy good equipment. The reason many others do not buy good equipment is becouse people with lots of gil keep raising the price to (a) make gil, (b) Don't care becouse they have lots of gil.
I have watched an item I was farming to get jump from 350k to 500k in the time it took me to farm 100k needless to say I am about ready to keep leveling with lower equipment simply becouse I am so bored of mining/farming.
I have watched an item I was farming to get jump from 350k to 500k in the time it took me to farm 100k needless to say I am about ready to keep leveling with lower equipment simply becouse I am so bored of mining/farming.
It's harder and harder to make gil because a small group of people (including gil sellers) have most of the gil making methods tied up. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Basically, we need more methods to make gil. The current system does not support the large population of Shiva.
I have to tell ya... im half way through gold smithing... and I can honestly not afford to craft anymore... I am lvl 55 gold smithing and I lose money on just about everything that I make for skill ups... and Im not talking a little money either. The only money I have found is in making gems and in making rings and hoping for HQs. A few HQs make very good money but they are rare and until lvl 70 I guess you dont have a good rate of HQs on the medium range equipment. So its not just items that are being killed by inflation it is also materials for crafts and it sucks !
I think Square needs to periodically artificially lower prices by putting cheap items on AH. This is probably just me complaining and a lot of people will scream foul but I think that would help a lot.
IMHO but I only know of 1 person who ever bought gil with RL money. I don't think that is as big of a problem as you guys say it is. The only way gil sellers can change the market price on any item is to be the only ones making it and/or killing for it. To that end; I only know of one situation that is like that (elemental staffs). So everything else is pretty much up to FFXI Shiva players as a whole. Gil sellers don't really 'create' gil. If you think that is what they are doing; you need to take a class in economics. Only when they kill Beastmen and get gil and/or do quests that give out gil do they 'create' money. All other transactions are a 'transfer' of gil. It seems that most gilfarming activity is actually 'transfer'ing of gil then by in large the gil isn't created. This is important because without new gil being created the Gil farmers can't even indirectly effect the FFXI Shiva economic prices. I know many will dissagree with me and that is fine. I simply wanted to relay some actual logic that is based on real life laws of economics.
It amazes me how much people complain about prices. FFXI's AH is a free market capitalistic system. As such prices can and do very. If what you wanted was not worth 500k then no one will buy it; It is as simple as that. The fact that it wasn't worth 500k to 'you' is a choice you have made. Others are entitled to make a different choice.
I've been playing FFXI for about 5 months now and by my reconing AH prices have inflated a little on basic items but not enough to justify the logic in your complaints. ex. Fire Crystals (12) use to sell for 1200 to 1500; now they sell for 2000 to 2500. Rabbit Charm (1) used to cost 300k to 400k; now it still sells for 300k to 400k. Wild Onions (12) used to sell for 8k to 10k; now they sell for 4k to 5k. I have given three separate examples where the price has changed, stayed the same, and lowered. Thus this backs up my arguement that overall prices simply fluctuate. If you have a problem with it, that is fine but please realize that it is your 'choice' to have a problem with it. Just because you choose that choice does not make it a server wide problem. I personally bought a Saintly Ring +1 in May for 65k and sold it in August for 35k simply because the market price had adjusted to that level for whatever reason. So please understand that there are people on the other side of the situation as well.
It amazes me how much people complain about prices. FFXI's AH is a free market capitalistic system. As such prices can and do very. If what you wanted was not worth 500k then no one will buy it; It is as simple as that. The fact that it wasn't worth 500k to 'you' is a choice you have made. Others are entitled to make a different choice.
I've been playing FFXI for about 5 months now and by my reconing AH prices have inflated a little on basic items but not enough to justify the logic in your complaints. ex. Fire Crystals (12) use to sell for 1200 to 1500; now they sell for 2000 to 2500. Rabbit Charm (1) used to cost 300k to 400k; now it still sells for 300k to 400k. Wild Onions (12) used to sell for 8k to 10k; now they sell for 4k to 5k. I have given three separate examples where the price has changed, stayed the same, and lowered. Thus this backs up my arguement that overall prices simply fluctuate. If you have a problem with it, that is fine but please realize that it is your 'choice' to have a problem with it. Just because you choose that choice does not make it a server wide problem. I personally bought a Saintly Ring +1 in May for 65k and sold it in August for 35k simply because the market price had adjusted to that level for whatever reason. So please understand that there are people on the other side of the situation as well.
Good idea (in theory), but there's no way you are going to get everyone to stop buying the "overpriced" items. It's about supply and demand, wouldn't you think if there's someone camping these items nonstop, the price would go down (ex. the fall of tree cuttings from 60k a stack to 40k a stack)? I think there may be some other factors at work
As for making gil, there are many ways to make gil consistantly, if one is resourceful and patient enough.
As for making gil, there are many ways to make gil consistantly, if one is resourceful and patient enough.
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You know, I've read topic after topic like this and I personally haven't noticed a HUGE change in prices. Now granted, I'm a lvl 37 PLD that farm for Tiger Fangs and doesn't do any crafting, but honestly, from all the ideas I've heard to "lower" AH prices is a) have SE put a price cap on certain items b) have SE regularly put items in the AH at a set price c) make all items available (With the exeption on NM drops and such) at a NPC somewhere so that the price can be controlled or at least there is another option.
For my PLD, I bought my Cure, Cure II, Protect and a few more spells at an NPC because it was cheaper than the AH, just do some research and see if the item you want is available somewhere else.
For my PLD, I bought my Cure, Cure II, Protect and a few more spells at an NPC because it was cheaper than the AH, just do some research and see if the item you want is available somewhere else.
Legoen wrote:
You know, I've read topic after topic like this and I personally haven't noticed a HUGE change in prices. Now granted, I'm a lvl 37 PLD that farm for Tiger Fangs...
...just do some research and see if the item you want is available somewhere else.
...just do some research and see if the item you want is available somewhere else.
With due respect to Legoen, I have to disagree. If you're a PLD you probably won't notice the price changes nearly as much - perhaps you'll see the price of some late game items spike, like the Gluttony Sword...
I've been playing since the NA release, and it seems to me that only the most sought-after items that drop off NMs (or quasi-NMs) have gone up. Craftable items or items in high supply have stayed about the same or dropped in price. In particular, the price of Archer Rings, (and their close relative) Sniper Rings, Emperor Hairpin, Leaping Boots, and Peacock Charm have gone up substantially.
All of these items have gone up at least to double the price I recall a year ago, with the exception of the Peacock Charm. In these cases, we're talking about hundreds of thousands of gil. Snipers are around 300k MORE - EACH - than they were when I started. These all have the common feature of being top-end melee items in a world of many melees who are hitting the 40-50+ range, where these start to be more expected in exp parties.
The Raise II price increase is interesting; I would guess that someone cornered this market and jacked the price up. It used to be dirt cheap. I recall hearing about prices of this on other servers and immediately buying myself a Raise II scroll back when it wasn't nearly so expensive.
See, now i agree with Leogen... he makes a very good point. if you don't like the cost of the stuff at the AH, look in the NPC shops for it. if it's somethign that can be farmed, go out and farm it. and the other option (Which does work) is to craft your own gear. I just recently did that for my WHM 11. i made a doublet, gloves, gaiters, headgear (Didn't have the cash to buy hairpin), and i kept the slacks from my lv 8 gear. i used comquest points to get a legionairre's (sp?) staff, and i'm good to go. Iv'e yet to Pty with this gear in dunes, since i've been running aroudn trygin to make some money, since i'm more broke than the 10 commandments...(poor = <100 gil for me.) but i'm headed to dunes tonight to see what i can do with my crafted gear.
sure, it's easier to buy the stuff you need. but why not at least try to work for it eh?
sure, it's easier to buy the stuff you need. but why not at least try to work for it eh?
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