Jophiel wrote:
Just like it would be offensive if I told someone to "take this to Shaka Zulu over there" and pointed at a black guy.
It would be offensive to the black guy though, right? Not to Shaka Zulu, the historical figure, or black people in general, or Zulus in general. Which is the point I'm making. And if said "black guy", was really a white guy posing like a black guy, perhaps even laughably so (pretty fly for a white guy, right?), it would be an appropriate insult towards said person, and most black guys would laugh at the joke, and not be at all offended by it.
Having said that, if the group of black guys in the area all told me that they're ok with wanna-be black guy hanging with them, and to knock off the jokes because while he's a joke, he's their joke, I'd respect that and knock it off. Which is essentially the position I take with Trump using the Pocahontas label towards Warren.
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It's astounding that you would need this explained to you. I mean, it's honestly baffling.
Yeah. Ditto right back at you. You get that you, as a white guy, have no more authority to speak to what is or should be offensive to NAs, than I do (less so, actually). So... Um. Who's sporting white privilege here? Or is it liberal guilt?
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I don't know if you're just trolling at this point or if you're honestly the poster boy for culturally tone-deaf white privilege.
Or you're failing to see a middle ground there, where one can acknowledge the tone-deafness of using the name Pocahontas as an insult towards Warren, while also acknowledging that Warren's history of identifying herself as NA is *also* offensive and harmful. It's not "pick a side" here. At least, not for me.
And I think you're trying way too hard to find offense in all the wrong directions.
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You're like a study in Poe's Law.
Which is amusing, given that puts you playing the part of the
someone who doesn't get the joke. Not that the law really applies here. I'm not making a joke, or being ironic, or satirical. I'm stating my opinion, that yes, Trump should knock off the Pocahontas label because it makes him look like a tool, but on the flip side (as I freaking said in my first post on this subject), Warren's actions were also pretty darn tone deaf. She, like many white people, adopted a Native American heritage as a means of somehow feeling better about herself, her family history, or whatever. This is a common example of white guilt btw. She is not a member of any tribe. She does not qualify to be a member of any tribe. She can certainly claim that she has NA blood if she wants (as can many people), but not on any sort of official form. Let's recall that she was specifically singled out by the Harvard Law School as a Native American member, so they could claim greater diversity than they actually had. So to suggest that there was no value to her, or the school for her making this claim is ludicrous. Clearly it mattered to them. Clearly, she took advantage of that fact.
And yeah. It's entirely possible that if there were fewer people like Warren claiming such things, so that they still are "white enough" to be accepted, but can be bean counted as a minority, maybe we'd actually get more actual minority presence in such bodies. To me that's a much more harmful act, even if unintended.