Cataclysm PvP - discussionFollow

Remove spellsteal! It is just such a stupidly powerful ability, especially with no cooldown and no dispel resistance going into cataclysm.

I'm not sure if this was sarcasm or not. Spellsteal has no cooldown and costs ~650 mana at level 80. You can jack all of a paladins buffs with it and still have over 20k mana to kill him with his own Avenging Wrath and Long Arm of the Law.

On a related note...Noooooo! Don't take my spellsteal. I don't think removing the spell is warranted just to balance Retadins and Mages in PvP.

After 2.5-3 years now of being one of the best classes in PvP, no, leave them the **** alone.

Especially if they're lagging behind other classes.

Fixed that for you. They were OP for a time. But by now that's as old as history. Get over it.

They have a bunch of problems but getting a charge and an interrupt really helps.

They're getting big nerfs in defensive spells, Divine Shield to 8 seconds is ok IMO. I would still say that the damage reduction could be increased a bit. At least what I felt about the bubble in WotLK was that the damage reduction should have been more than 50%.

Removing magic cleanse for ret, I don't know. It doesn't seem so bad if they get charge and hand of freedom is still there. The real reason why you needed it was because you didn't get charge.

The new seals look ok, I will be fine if the DPS on seal of justice is good enough to make it a DPS seal.

Overall I'm not pesimistic about how ret is coming out. I can see lots of improvement.

I still don't like the mechanic of this charge, for the reasons I said and also because it's on an 8 seconds cooldown. You use it, and use it over and over again every 8 seconds.

Comparing.
Blink has a 15 second cooldown.
Warlock tele has 30 second cooldown.
Hunter Disengage has 25 sec.
Arms warrior 25 and 30 sec c/ds.
Fury 20 and 30 sec.
Prot 15 and 30 sec.
Feral 15 and 30.

Divine Protection is another where I didn't like the change. What I think about it is that it should have been kept as it is in Wotlk and just removed from Forbearance. One of the good things about this class was that when you press a button it did something very visible. Halving the cooldown and halving the effect isn't a good trade in that the effect becomes invisible and it stops being fun.


Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 5:15pm by xorq

Yep, holy has been consistantly superb, ret had it's moments of glory and protret was powerful throughout S8. If you don't mind switching specs pallies are a great main for pvp.

As for the pally charge, it's really weak. You have to be over 15 yards away from the target to proc it and your judgement needs to be off cooldown (not good news for clutch speed boosts). Only a 40% speed boost so it wont close distance that quickly, considering other classes will have at least 8% boots increase, and plenty of gap making abilities to counter it. I'm gonna wait until devs have finished balancing numbers and tweaking everything then we'll see how ret looks.

Except Blink will increase run speed by 70% for 3 seconds, and LAotL doesn't remove snares. It's most problematic with mages though. It should be better against other classes and even in PvE on fights where mobility is an issue.