I think SE should change undersized parties and nerf...Follow

level 50 dungeons...

I mean i could be wrong but isnt the whole point of undersized parties, to make it so that ppl starting late can get 2.0 content done faster/easier to:

a) catch up with level 60 players faster and

b) solo old content that we all know ppl wont get duty finder parties for because no one is doing them anymore so they might spend 5+ hours i DF?



Yet there are things that make that contradictory and trivial, for one... at level 60 even at il190 you cant solo ANY level 50 dungeon (heck or in most cases level 40 dungeons.) That should be changed.

Also you cant get Nexus light while undersized... that should also be changed I mean when Garuda window is open how fast so you think youre gonna get parties in that two hour window to do that? AND good luck making a light farming PT in PF now a days to get that done, as such all that should be made solo-able with little to not difficulty, I mean atma farming is a joke now, animus books arent bad, you can get all 75 alexandrite i one sitting.... so why arent the other steps as equally accessible t late ppl? I mean the light value wasnt increased further (you still need 125 garuda kills during bonus to complete it) and then to make it worse you cant get light n an undersized party and even IF you could you cant solo it at 60 sooo whats the point?

I don't recall undersized parties ever being conveyed as something that everyone can solo. It simply means you don't need 4 or 8 people and you aren't level capped. Some of it can be soloed, some of it can't. As a warrior I've soloed wanders palace, can almost solo quarn hm. I think thats the only level 50 dungeons i tried. I see party finders every now and then for people looking for an undersized party to get a clear on a dungeon, they usually fill pretty quick.

Yoshi/Battle dude actually stated using undersized/unsync entry is great for getting your relic completed quickly or to help someone through 2.0 content. Logically being level 60, you should be able to solo the dungeons..being as everything is 10 levels under you and dlvl tends to calculate in a way that once you're over/under 5 levels you tend to have an insane advantage.

This is why barring some extreme mechanics like the goobbue in Lost City, every 50 area dungeon is technically soloable, especially the ones needed for relic progression. This is why it's kind of a contradictory change because yes you can go in undersized..but you lose all benefit in doing so..defeating the purpose unless you do it with 1-2 others.

Yes. Not all jobs are the same.

I made it to the goobbue there as NIN, but naturally couldn't beat him because he nom'd me.

My understanding is that the best jobs for soloing these things are SCH and WAR, though others have varying degrees of success.

well even at 60 lets use that same dungeon as an example.. when you got the first group of like 5 mobs that hit you for like 200-250 each, they dont miss nearly as much as youd expect something thats 10 level lower than you to miss, and youve got about 13k hp... if 5 things are hitting you for 200 each thats 1k lost per attack and yo got 1e3k hp meaning you have to kill them before they can get off 13 attacks.. which as a brd it happens sometimes and other it doesnt.. youre ability to solo shouldnt come down to how lucky or unlucky you get, that should be a 100% skill based endevour

Well of course under THAT condition youre right, if EVERYONE had a self hel aspect then it would be fine, unfortunately this isnt FFXI, whee jobs can be quite versatile and do stuff outside of what theyre jobs prime focus is (i,.e a blm with whm sub or healing spells can heal and keep a party alive just fine if the healer dies in a fight where as in FFXIV if a healer dies during an boss battle you have ZERO hope for winning unless the boss is like 3 hits away from death already)

Theres a difference between HNMS and "content you're 10 levels higher than" also lvling more than 102 jobs in XIV got "killed" when the cap was raised to 60..

1-50 seem like a joke comped to 50-60.. I mean heck I can do 1-40 in one sitting (provided i have 100 allowances for leves already), then 40-50 to next day...... 50-60 aint happening that fast

there are plenty of ppl with multiple lvl 60 jobs, but that 50-60 grind ended that for me.... at 50 I had 1 tank 1 healer and 1 ranged dps and well as one melee DPS at 50 so I could be versatile..... at 60 however only thing i have (and will have) is two ranged DPS at 60... and even that was too painful to do, everything else ill be staying at 50 lol.

and since brd and mch wear the same gear pretty much keepin em both geared with these weekly lockouts and, eso caps, will be a LOT easier and faster than doin it on 4-5 jobs and expecting to stay caught up

even if the monsters were 55 i think i should have no problem at 60... as far as Wanders Palace well i dunno when I first hit 60 and was using the dungeon gear you get up to that point I still got wrecked.. lets see how much "easier" i is now that Im il98

as for light in undersized parties.. that good but then why finish the weapons in 3.1 when you can start on the new one in stead? is the bonus it gives to those that finished zeta so significant that youd still wanna finish zeta once the new weapon is available?

Also if thats the case then lets hope the also either increased the amount of light you get in 3.1 or decrees the amount you need SIGNIFICANTLY kinda like all the other changes in the zeta quest... i mean look at atma, and animus books as well as alexandrite... their joke now... let light still requires more time and effort, so naturally that should be changed too.

There are a few zetas that I'd like from a sheer glamour perspective - the white mage one is quite gorgeous.

I'm just pleased that my finishing the axe means that if I go for the new bow or a scholar book I'll still get the slight bonus.

Yes, we're finally getting some horizontal progression!

Half joking, of course.

Edited, Oct 25th 2015 2:43pm by Thayos

pointless? so having extra det or crit on a piece of armor that already naturally has det or crit = pointless?

Doesn't work that way. You can add a few extra but most gear is already at or near its stat cap natively, which is why you tend to meld the next best stats because you're actually wasting a slot trying to pump out that last 3-5 points when you could pump in 20+ crit for example.

Current raid gear you could add say det or crit, but the stats are already high enough that it'd be a waste to do so because at current caps, you wouldn't be able to add too much, which is why accuracy for healers, for example, would be the biggest benefit to melding raid gear.

The changes coming in 3.2 also will be changing how youd go about it, for example tanks meld str accessories with vit, or vit accessories with str (usually the former) and if what yoshi said is true, chances are that won't be possible anymore, so that alone changes how you'd meld accessories let alone your overall sets, especially if crafted gear in 3.2 actually keeps up with raid gear for once.



But perfect in keeping certain content "fresh" that acts as a wall for most of your players until the next update. For example Savage Alex 3 is the brickwall for anyone who can actually do Alexander..select few gets past it and has Alex 4 on farm.

Being able to meld additional crit would be helpful..but it doesn't solve a lot of issues with certain content, which is usually mechanic driven. Allowing healers to get the accuracy needed will probably be THE biggest boost to DPS checks like it was in Final Coil.

Edited, Oct 25th 2015 5:35pm by Theonehio