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#27 Mar 06 2015 at 11:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Verdha picked up another carbontwine last night for MNK iLvl 118, and finished up all the Tier III Alex infuses and applied the three IVs she's been saving. I can't believe Tier IV infuses started so early -- I was going to carry all those IIIs down into the 20-30% chance range but that isn't an option. That means it's going to be grind, grind, GRIND on the spiritbonding because at 600k+ a pop those IVs aren't going to buy themselves.

Seriously, 6m gil to finish this stage? I don't make a lot of gil, this is going to be an awesome pain to finish this stage. Makes me nostalgic for the pre-nerf Atmas, a month in East Shroud is miniscule compared with what it will take me to get those IVs. Grinding lights will be such a relief, especially since I can actually do it on the job the relic is for instead of whatever-spirit-bonds-fastest (hi, WHM!), and there can actually be some variety involved in the process.

(Yeah, I don't make gil easily. I know that makes me unusual. My business sense and luck sucks and I know it (last time I SOLD a car I talked the price UP $200) so I stick with moderate steady incomes that pay for my upkeep and not a whole lot more -- I spend a lot of it on HQ Apkallu Omlettes and HQ Pineapple Juice.)

On the Balmung hand, Waenlona finished off with THM15, not bad progress at all. More on that in the next thread.


It is totally acceptable to not min/max your relic. You know, build a Crit/Det/Acc model. I three-statted both my relics. This way you never have to touch IV materia. I find it truly hard to justify paying 600k for the equivalent of 1/3 of 1 dex, which equals 1/27 of one point of weapon damage. That is just plain silly. I'll pump that into a 300 gil bite of accuracy instead, and that way I'm versatile later on and don't have to rely on gear as much for stat-capping coil accuracy.

Edited, Mar 6th 2015 11:05am by Valkayree
#28 Mar 06 2015 at 12:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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It is totally acceptable to not min/max your relic. You know, build a Crit/Det/Acc model. I three-statted both my relics. This way you never have to touch IV materia. I find it truly hard to justify paying 600k for the equivalent of 1/3 of 1 dex, which equals 1/27 of one point of weapon damage. That is just plain silly. I'll pump that into a 300 gil bite of accuracy instead, and that way I'm versatile later on and don't have to rely on gear as much for stat-capping coil accuracy.

Thank you. Coming from someone whose opinion I respect greatly, that makes me feel a lot better. Smiley: smile

I think what I'll do then is see how the grind goes, but stop before it reaches the point where I just stop enjoying it. Maybe I'll luck out on some IVs in the first few hours, you never know. Smiley: wink
#29 Mar 06 2015 at 1:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, you're good not to min-max your weapon, though keep in mind if you've got the gumption to alter your stats, you're only adding on and taking away, not removing entirely - which adds to the versatility of the weapon.

It works great for me, who spirit binds for my primary income, I can take pieces of lucky IVs and meld them into a new scroll if I so desire. But we'll see how all that pans out for Heavensward anyways.


Anyways, of accomplishments - this week was mostly a wash due to emergency medical and computer matters on behalf of my GF and FC leader (Same person.) I did manage to get casual gear for RPs for both Eric and Lin though by fully exploiting King Elmer III for his plus rule, so there's a good thing.

Other than that, I resolved all the hardware issues with my GF's computer and she's in good enough health again to be playing regularly - so for me that's a bigger accomplishment than anything in game.
#30 Mar 06 2015 at 4:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Laverda wrote:
Valkayree wrote:
It is totally acceptable to not min/max your relic. You know, build a Crit/Det/Acc model. I three-statted both my relics. This way you never have to touch IV materia. I find it truly hard to justify paying 600k for the equivalent of 1/3 of 1 dex, which equals 1/27 of one point of weapon damage. That is just plain silly. I'll pump that into a 300 gil bite of accuracy instead, and that way I'm versatile later on and don't have to rely on gear as much for stat-capping coil accuracy.

Thank you. Coming from someone whose opinion I respect greatly, that makes me feel a lot better. Smiley: smile

I think what I'll do then is see how the grind goes, but stop before it reaches the point where I just stop enjoying it. Maybe I'll luck out on some IVs in the first few hours, you never know. Smiley: wink


Do also note that if you make the weapon, then pick up a IV later on, you can alter the stats point by point at any time afterward by talking to the guy in N. Shroud with the materia and an alexandrite.
#31 Mar 06 2015 at 5:17 PM Rating: Decent
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While I wouldn't look down on someone for taking the cheap way out, but the way I see it, if you're going to do it, you might as well not half *** it. Besides, what else is there to spend the gil on? I've already got a house that sits empty and unused. I've got the crafts to make pretty much anything I want, so gil is just something to toss on the pile until I can find a use for it.

Edited, Mar 9th 2015 6:41pm by Turin
#32 Mar 06 2015 at 5:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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While I wouldn't look down on someone for taking the cheap way out, the way I see it, if you're going to do it, you might as well not half *** it. Besides, what else is there to spend the gil on? I've already got a house that sits empty and unused. I've got the crafts to make pretty much anything I want, so gil is just something to toss on the pile until I can find a use for it.


The rest of the relic?

The zodiac step cost me about 2m gil, which at the time was about 2/3 of my total gil.

Put it this way... the difference between using tier IV materia and not using tier IV materia is the difference between the novus costing 2m and 20m. And that's not even an exaggeration. I did the math. Tier IV materia is ridiculous.
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#33 Mar 08 2015 at 10:45 PM Rating: Good
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While I wouldn't look down on someone for taking the cheap way out, the way I see it, if you're going to do it, you might as well not half *** it. Besides, what else is there to spend the gil on? I've already got a house that sits empty and unused. I've got the crafts to make pretty much anything I want, so gil is just something to toss on the pile until I can find a use for it.


Other novus weapons (even going the "cheaper" route, Thyrus still cost me about 2m, rest are probably similar, the majority of the cost being from tier II materia)
Zodiac weapons
"VIT accessories"
DoH/DoL offhand melds

Some of this stuff might not be as much of a concern for people who play fewer classes, but as someone with 50 in everything, I've no shortage of things to spend gil on, and I don't even have a house (nor do I have any plans to obtain one due to all the other things I can spend on)
#34 Mar 09 2015 at 10:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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I would definitely not consider balancing your relic "taking the cheap way out" although it does happen to save you a lot of money. If there were a measurable benefit to it that could not be offset by gear choices or food, I would spend the money. But simply put, there is no measurable benefit to spending all that gil to min/max, unless you are just OCD and like having 2 stats as high as you can get them, or just happen to like wearing gear or eating food that gives accuracy. But, you are not doing it "wrong" by splitting your relic into 3 stats. It brings into the idea of versatility vs. extremes.

At some point, paying 600k for 1/3 of one point of dex, which equals 1/27 of one point of bard damage is far less valuable to me than paying 300 gil for 1 point of accuracy. Like it or not, there is an accuracy cap for final coil, and you don't want to leave yourself in a position where the only way you don't miss is if your food buff is up. You will find yourself at the end of the battle, food buff runs out, and suddenly you drop from 400 to 260 just like that. I'd much rather lose crit or det if my food buff drops than the accuracy needed to hit 100%. Best to supplement that accuracy in the relic. I prefer a balanced approach. It allows me to be versatile with my gear choices.

There are options out there to make up every point of crit or det with gear. Look at the difference between the WoD coat and the Kirimu Coat. Kirimu coat has accuracy, WoD coat does not. People think that crit and det are the greatest thing since sliced bread, but if you don't have the acc to hit what you are aiming at, all the crit and det in the world won't mean a thing. Min/Max relic with crit/det, and wear the WoD coat... where are you getting accuracy from? Your pants? Your food? I hope not. Fact is, you can hit BiS in a number of ways, and you don't have to spend 20 million gil to do it.

With gear adjustments and food adjustments, you can absolutely offset any amount of damage you would lose on your relic, and save your self 20 million gil.

Any one who says otherwise is just trying to justify the fact that they wasted a lot of money on their relic and don't want to admit it. Or defending someone that did. Pretty much trying to justify a bad purchase. Imo.

Edited, Mar 9th 2015 11:56am by Valkayree
#35 Mar 09 2015 at 4:50 PM Rating: Decent
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The thing is, I have no use whatsoever for the money. It's either toss it into the relic or let it pile up some more. I make a few hundred thousand a week just doing the stuff I like to do in game, without even trying to make money. I can make millions a week if I put in the effort, not that I've had to since just after I bought my house. I could see your point about saving money and not wasting it if there was any reason at all to have more gil than in takes to travel and repair gear, but there just isn't. As I have no interest in coil and most likely won't give two ***** about Alexander, ACC is a waste of as stat for me. Now, that's just my personal situation, obviously others mileage will vary. For me, there's no reason not to max it out.

My problem is the excessive dungeon grinding involved. I just can't stand running the same boring *** dungeons over and over again. Which is why I'm still needing quite a few more Alex before I can even move on to the point where it's even worth equipping the the thing. The last twenty or so that I've gotten have all been from FATEs or buying maps from doing Hunts. I'm really dreading the next step, it's going to take me forever. I'll probably never get the thing current, but at least it's something to work on.

Edited, Mar 9th 2015 6:53pm by Turin
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