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#27 Aug 09 2005 at 1:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Hoping to get 60 after the update to wear it.
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#28 Aug 09 2005 at 1:21 AM Rating: Decent
Of course ppl still help out,im one of em. Ive lended a hand a bunch of times with Rank missions, Genkai, NM's, escorts, etc. Im not the strongest player ever, just a lowly PLD with no cool little tricks or incredible WS's. But im damn good at keeping ppl alive, mainly by throwing myself in the path of whatever big nasty decides to try and eat the intensitnes of the one nooblet im with. Im no super powered RDM with bunches of fancy spells that basically make them a solo death machine, but i lend help where and when i can. And thats my two cents.

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#29 Aug 09 2005 at 9:23 PM Rating: Decent
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I still help out all the time .... when I can. Thats not a lot though, considering I only play like 1-2 days a week. But if it needs help (not something that can be completed easily for your lvl) then by all means I will lend a hand. Even if that means showing you how to get the cutscenes and what not. There are still a lot of people that will help you out. It really just depends on weither we are on why you are shouting/seeking/etc.
#30 Aug 10 2005 at 3:47 PM Rating: Default
Funny how things where in the begining and how it's changed so much in a few years.

I was the same way, sorta am still when i feel like it, when i helped ppl i did it cause ppl would help me and they would always tell me " I don't need a reward, just always help those that are not so fortunate when you reach 75." and so i did. Yet there was one small problem....they asked for more help and more help and then it got to the point ppl were telling others about me and so forth..so i had bunch of /tell for help to solo things being i was 75rdm/37nin.

So i did what i could do so i wouldn't get more /tell....I charged ppl cause at times it cost me money for buying foods,nin tools,ect..and so i charged.

Well that didn't work. LOL they paid what my offer was. So i charged them more and then it soloed down. Last /tell i got and helped with was soloing avatars for 100-150 each avatar. I made a killing soloing avatars.

Other then that....you want help, put some gil behind the help. U'll be lucky if you find ppl that still do it cause they are nice.
#31 Aug 21 2005 at 3:33 PM Rating: Decent
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most have since quit the game...all the people that helped me and others...I think maybe a handful still play ffxi. I used to help people....I just dont have time for to play a game loaded with unscrupulous people....much less a game that takes hours just to form a damn party so you can level.
#32 Aug 23 2005 at 9:51 PM Rating: Good
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[quote=xbobx]Never ever help anyone in this game, if you do they will expect you to be at their beckon call, then when you want to do something else that you want to do they will be pissed at you.

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Hee hee... Guess who helped me get my magicked skull while I was an utterly new citizen of Vana'diel? Oh wait that was you, Shuffles!

Anyway, to some extent it's true. You can build helpful, healthy relationships to some people by helping them, but others will just be there every day requiring stuff. I'm so tired of spending two hours for one person in my relatively large friendlist to get ingredients the cheapest place possible, then synth and then get paid expenses only.

I'm also a bit tired of helping people. Camping coffers with a person for 12 hours straight, then finally get it. The moment of bliss. Then they quit the game out of impulse a week later. The moment of realization. (Nice way to spend your saturday afternoon, evening and night, btw lol)

What I did today was delete my entire friend list (95 people) and then delete my old handle and make a new one. From now I'll just add my real friends in this game. This probably sound a bit hostile. It's more of a practical move to avoid exhaustion from extensive chatting than trying to become asocial though ^^

I don't mind helping people. I think very few does mind. It can be fun, you can either show off, skill up, explore or all of the above. Seems some people even fall in love with eachother. The tiresome part is when you have an evergrowing list of good people that occasionally needs something important done and you also have those 3-5 leeches that hastily /tells you about their agenda for today and then ask how you're going to solve it - as soon as you log on. 3 leeches can really <Energy Drain> you to <death> when there's so many normal, wonderful players you'd so much rather spend time with.

Thank God for /blacklist add name! ^^
#33 Sep 20 2005 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
So peoples like to shout in Jeuno for hire nowadays, even I saw a whm/thf shout to help out G1 or something, and ask 90k reward... Can you guys be nice to help out, you can still have fun and it is really cool feeling when peoples got what they want... If you really want gil, go farming youself would be better >.>
#34 Sep 26 2005 at 9:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Being a 45 paladin I can not help much, but I always am happy to throw a cure or provoke a monster off a lower level person who calls for help or was atacked.

I have been helped a lot over the year I have played, free money, equipment, lots of tips and so on. I've helped a few people do low level missions over the last few months, but aside from that I am not much of a help lol.
#35 Sep 27 2005 at 3:06 AM Rating: Decent
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I've found that when I'm in the game, I help randomly, ask for nothing, and thereby get everything I ask for. :P

Sitting at 41 and happily puttering along leveling subjobs and crafting, you realize that helping others is what makes the game more fun...but all it takes is one leech to destroy a potential utopia.

You've all met them. The people you know who not only were incapable of doing something themselves, but only wanted the reward without earning it. Their biggest moments of joy in the game would come if you sat them in a safe corner while getting them all the way through CoP and spoonfeeding them AF2 pieces.

Any MMORPG I've seen starts in a spirit of co-operation. Greed for undeserved things is the death of it.
#36 Sep 27 2005 at 8:32 AM Rating: Decent
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I've often found it quite relaxing to hang out in like the 2nd jungle just making sure no one dies from gobbies or whatever. Used to do that at qufim too, but all the times I checked recently, there never seemed to be as many problems. Whereas in the jungle little mishaps still happen - and harder to escape to safety.

I agree with Fujitaru's well written post. It's quite accurate. But still, helping ppl with your new high lvl job can be a lot of fun. :)
#37 Sep 27 2005 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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I agree with the OP, deadgye and fujitaru all to a certain extent.

If I'm sitting in Lower Jeuno not doing anything in particular (basically means I have no search commend, not flagged lfp, or not anon), I will volunteer to help within reason just about anyone that at least shows some incentive to do a bit of the legwork.

Example

"RNG AF3 [Help me out!] need high lvl plz tell" won't get a reply from me, because it doesn't appear they know a) where they're going and b) how many people they need.

"Ranger AF3 [Xarcabard] [Tiger] [Notorious Monster] @8 need a 60+ PLD or NIN to tank, /tell <charactername>" is much more likely to be responded to - they let you know exactly what they need and where they are at, where they are going, and is a generally more intelligent shout.

It doesn't matter to me if it's something I've done many times before (M9 and M10 spring to mind, along with PLD AF3), any shout that shows a little bit of intelligence and thought will usually get a response from me.
#38 Sep 27 2005 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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{/cheer? Fuzzbox on!!! I think your comment hits the mark.

I think people dread helping out when the person requesting the assistance then asks "what do we do next" .... /d'oh.
#39 Sep 27 2005 at 4:53 PM Rating: Good
Fuzzbox wrote:
"Ranger AF3 [Xarcabard] [Tiger] [Notorious Monster] @8 need a 60+ PLD or NIN to tank, /tell <charactername>"


What about "{Thief}{Artifact}{boots}{Notorious Monster}{bomb}{Garlaige Citadel} @1 need 60+ NIN or 75RDM/NIN to tank, BLM or DRK to {Stun} and 1 more to help open Gate 1, /tell Eekiki"?

Would that get a reply? <(^.^)>
#40 Sep 30 2005 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
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It would, had I a 60+ NIN ^^;

I've tried tanking THF AF3 before (as PLD), while not impossible it is VERY difficult due to the constraints placed upon you (cannot pull with magic, if it blows up you fail, etc.).
#41 Sep 30 2005 at 3:07 PM Rating: Good
Eekiki, blms are more or less useless on that bomb nm. Straight up melee on that sucker, If you use magic on him, bye bye.
#42 Sep 30 2005 at 6:57 PM Rating: Good
Yeah, the bomb likes to blow up...a lot. In fact, 5 of the 6 times I fought him, he started self-destruct right from the start before anyone even hit him. So the BLM wouldn't be for nuking so much as they'd be there to Stun the bomb when it tried to blow up.

In the end, an awesome NIN/DRK tanked for me, and even though he pulled the bomb with Stun, the ash or coal or whatever the old ******* in Mhaura wanted dropped. <(^.^)>

Still, the quest is a royal pain.
#43 Sep 30 2005 at 8:30 PM Rating: Good
I think its the magic casting on him that causes him to blow.

I have been a few times and first rule is cast no magic on him at all, not even paralyze, a 70 pld accidently flashed him and died in 2 hits.

other then taht he really really easy
#44 Oct 04 2005 at 3:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hate to inform, but it seems that the "really vague shout for help" problem is seeping down into the newbier levels.

I recently got mugged on by someone asking for "six elvaans to complete a quest." I basically ignored the shout because I figured there was no way I'd be able to help with anything, and then the dude jumped me by the fountain in N Sandy with the same request. He didn't say which quest he was looking to complete ("Introduction to Teamwork"), called me a "nob" (whatever that means), and acted all huffy when it took me a second to figure out how to join the party (my retarded controller-typing also didn't help, but that's my problem). By this point, I'm like "ho kay".

He gets, like, four of us together, then says, "Let's go to the tower!" and runs off. I'm like, "Wait a second... which tower where? A tower out in Ronfaure? Didn't he need six of us? What is this person talking about?" Finally, after limping around confused for a while, I got tired of feeling stupid and bailed.

Not more than two hours later, I got up into the watchtower and activated the quest and when it dawned on me what had happened, I very nearly sent that dude a /t letting him know that if he'd have made more sense in the first place, we'd have all gotten ahead. Third-Rate Organizer indeed.

But to answer the original question, I'm perfectly willing to help out the "random person", but if I'm not going to harbor a whole bunch of guilt for backing away from something I don't understand or know I can't do. Pretending to be something you aren't is the epitome of jackassery (IMO). If people want to take my silence as me ignoring their call for help, so be it, but there are times when I know my "help" can't possibly be enough. But I also know that once I *can* be of help, I certainly will try.
#45 Oct 04 2005 at 10:13 AM Rating: Decent
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with all the quests and whathave you it is easy to get confused. May I reccomend getting the FFXI guide? I kept mine by my PC, the pages are very worn and I even put tabs on some of the sections. it runs around 19-20 dollars i think, I got my first one at Borders and the 2nd at this video game store (forget the name right now)
Im sorry the guy was rude. :(
#46 Oct 04 2005 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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with all the quests and whathave you it is easy to get confused. May I reccomend getting the FFXI guide? I kept mine by my PC, the pages are very worn and I even put tabs on some of the sections. it runs around 19-20 dollars i think, I got my first one at Borders and the 2nd at this video game store (forget the name right now)
Im sorry the guy was rude. :(


Oh god no. that thing isn't worth 50 cents.. full of mis info.. youd be better off just browsing alla for info on whatever you need
#47 Oct 04 2005 at 2:01 PM Rating: Good
I agree. The Brady Games guide was obsolete before it was even published.

Allakhazam is much better, and it's free.
#48 Oct 04 2005 at 4:17 PM Rating: Good
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yeah but if you Alt+tab your game closes in FFXI. I liked the spell charts for when I was leveling whm..I liked the guide. I would also take notes and write stuff in it (silly I know but helped me)
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