Friar Bijou wrote:
First, you retarded goat, you can't read. The police department is ONE FUCKING BLOCK AWAY.
Friar Bijou wrote:
(Bear in mind only about 60-90 seconds have elapsed at this point). (Also bear in mind the police/sheriff HQ is two blocks away).
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Secondly; why in the world would I make any of the timeline up? Do you think I have an hidden agenda? I was reporting a life experience, not writing a political editorial.
Because people often misremember or misreport events they've seen. Also:
Friar Bijou wrote:
Bear in mind the following is a narrative constructed after the fact.
Were you physically present and witnessing the whole thing from start to finish? Or just piecing things together afterwards? In which case, you'll have to forgive me when I don't take your time line as absolute fact. Doubly so when it presents a nearly impossibly fast response time by the police. If an officer happened to be standing outside the station right when the first shot rang out, and immediately figured out what direction it was coming from, and immediately set out at a sprint it's theoretically possible that he could arrive on scene 90 seconds after that first shot. Maybe. If he takes the time to, oh I don't know, call for backup, maybe get into his car first (so as to have cover in a shooting situation), or any of a number of activities that cops tend to do prior to rushing headlong into a fire fight, it would take much longer.
I'll acknowledge under the circumstances that it wasn't 10 minutes, but I find 60-90 seconds for "the police" (as opposed to maybe one out of breath officer) to arrive on scene and take control of the situation to be incredibly unlikely.
And, as I mentioned earlier, regardless of how long it took, that's some amount more time it would take an officer to arrive on scene, that would not have been required if someone was already there. How long does it take to run two blocks? How long does it take to *not* run two blocks. At the end of the day, it was enough time for the shooter to fire 14 shots before the police arrived and ended it.
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Third; no weapons are to be carried/possessed on the property.
Yup. Didn't prevent the shooter from carrying one, did it? See how those laws only restrict everyone except the bad guy? No one was allowed to carry weapons at Columbine, or the Aurora theater, or Sandy Hook either. There's a pattern here I'd really like you to notice.
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What with the police department being ONE FUCKING BLOCK AWAY, that seemed a pretty good idea, security-wise.
Two blocks, but whatever. Look. My mom used to live one block away from a fire station (or was it two?). That never made her think "Well, I guess I don't need to bother with fire safety, I'll just call the fire department if I light my kitchen on fire".
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Fourth; my account is accurate you asshole. Who the fuck do you think you are, second-guessing me?
I'm not second guessing you. I'm questioning the details of an account of a shooting incident, which, by your own admission, you constructed after the fact. I have no clue how much you personally witnessed, since you never once said "I saw this directly with my own two eyes".
And, once again, the issue we're arguing over isn't really that relevant anyway. I tossed out "10 minutes or so", without really thinking about the actual time, because it doesn't really matter. It was "enough time" for the shooter to empty a magazine of .45 ammo at his target. It's also "enough time" for someone in close proximity to have pulled out a concealed weapon and responded well before all 14 shots were fired. That's all that really matters, right?
I honestly wasn't trying to make any point about the specific time of the event. Just relative reaction to it. A random person in a crowd is always going to be able to respond to such an event faster than police. Even if the police are just a couple blocks away, this is always going to be true. Frankly, in this shooting it was pure luck that more people didn't die. Statistically, you can't rely on that. Statistically, your best odds of surviving close proximity to a shooting event like this is if someone else in the crowd is armed. Whether that person is an off duty LEO, or a civilian with a CC permit really doesn't matter much in that case. The longer it takes for on duty officers to arrive, the worse the odds for everyone in proximity to the shooting becomes.