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#2727 Mar 28 2017 at 7:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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#2728 Mar 28 2017 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
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I think Cruz should be forced to supply his fingerprints and birth certificate so we can confirm that he is the Zodiac Killer.
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#2729 Mar 28 2017 at 10:00 AM Rating: Good
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Good God, man, how much more evidence do you need?!
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#2730 Mar 28 2017 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
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We don't want to be hasty, the DNA evidence is circumstantial, for all we know Ted Cruz could have sucked the blood of the zodiac and gained his powers rather than being the Zodiac himself. But at least one of these things is definitely true. Either he is the Zodiac, or is a night walking zodiac demon.

Isn't it interesting that noone has seen Ted Cruz and the chupacabra in the same place?

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#2731 Mar 28 2017 at 6:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I meant to edit, not dupe.

Edited, Mar 28th 2017 8:56pm by Debalic
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#2732 Mar 28 2017 at 6:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Wait, aren't our representatives vetted when they take office? How could Obama serve as a Senator if nobody knew where he was from? Or do they just check his driver's license to see if it's at least a well done fake?
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#2733 Mar 28 2017 at 7:27 PM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
Wait, aren't our representatives vetted when they take office? How could Obama serve as a Senator if nobody knew where he was from? Or do they just check his driver's license to see if it's at least a well done fake?


I'm not sure other elected officials have the same requirements.
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#2734 Mar 28 2017 at 7:53 PM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
Wait, aren't our representatives vetted when they take office? How could Obama serve as a Senator if nobody knew where he was from? Or do they just check his driver's license to see if it's at least a well done fake?


Requirements for each office is different. Some more restrictive than others. President having some of the stricter requirements.
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#2735 Mar 29 2017 at 7:10 AM Rating: Good
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When you attack the person and not the argument, you've basically already lost. Just saying.

There's five people who post here. There is no "winning" or "losing", just wasting time and idle amusement. No one is thinking "Boy, I'm going to change Gbaji's mind!" or "The merits of my argument will be judged accordingly by the community!"


Uh...I think gbaji has stated that he does. Remember all those secret readers that agree with him and send him PMs about it.
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#2736 Mar 29 2017 at 7:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Which was weird, since all the hundreds of anonymous PMs I got disagreed with all those other anonymous PMs.
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#2737 Mar 29 2017 at 12:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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I should really stop feeding the fire by sending Gbaji and lolgaxe all those anonymous PM's.
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#2738 Mar 31 2017 at 7:55 AM Rating: Good
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45, September wrote:
The reason they get immunity is because they did something wrong. If they didn't do anything wrong, they don't think in terms of immunity. Five people. Folks, I'm telling you: Nobody's seen anything like this in our country's history.
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Mike Flynn should ask for immunity in that this is a witch hunt (excuse for big election loss), by media & Dems, of historic proportion!
There you have it, Mr President admits Flynn is guilty. Smiley: thumbsup

Edited, Mar 31st 2017 9:56am by lolgaxe
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#2739 Mar 31 2017 at 10:28 PM Rating: Good
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Barely related, but worth viewing. Always get immunity if you plan to say anything, even the truth when you are innocent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
#2740 Apr 01 2017 at 6:59 AM Rating: Good
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Gbaji wrote:
Um... You provided your own answer. The "high profile" cases are a subset of all "hate crimes" (and are presumably large scale type events).
I said "high profile", because those are the ones that we know about.

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For it to be terrorism, there has to be an intent to use the event to put fear into the population as a whole
Knowing that you would could be assaulted for simply existing is placing fear into the population as a whole.

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with an eye towards changing positions/policies in some way
Hence why I said in a meaningful difference. To the people being assaulted, it's all the same. I understand the textbook difference, but there are negligible differences on the actions, especially to the victims.

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The IRA planted bombs in public places and then called up the cops and told them where the bombs were. In most cases, no one was injured (with some notable exceptions).
I replied to your quote "Not all hate crimes are terrorism". Your example is that not all terrorism is a hate crime. Unless you were to argue the absence of love in the said terrorist action, I would agree.

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McCain, to the surprise of absolutely no one except maybe the handful of saps who still think he's man of some integrity, says that he'll vote to abolish the filibuster on SC nominees.

I assume all of the people who whined and cried about it a few years ago will now be saying "Oh, yeah, totally we need to do this" while handwaving off their previous statements and making a dozen limp excuses why it's now okay. I ain't even complaining about them doing it -- everyone knew they would -- just a nice solid 'toldja so' about what everyone already knew.
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#2742 Apr 04 2017 at 8:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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I can't think of anyone here who's that naive.
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#2743 Apr 04 2017 at 9:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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I can't think of anyone here who's that naive.
Nope. Not one single person will EVER chime in about how this is OK now.


Ever.
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#2744 Apr 05 2017 at 7:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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It'll be really fun when the fight is to reinstate the filibuster.

ISIS says America is being run by an idiot. America wonders if ISIS is being run by the guy with the red coat on those Hotel.com commercials.

Edited, Apr 5th 2017 9:55am by lolgaxe
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#2745 Apr 05 2017 at 8:07 AM Rating: Good
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It'll be really fun when the fight is to reinstate the filibuster.

There's an Xzibit meme in there somewhere.

Do kids still do Xzibit memes?
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#2746 Apr 05 2017 at 10:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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So Bannon is off the National Security Council, which falls short of public evisceration but is still somewhat reassuring.
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#2747 Apr 05 2017 at 5:54 PM Rating: Decent
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So Bannon is off the National Security Council, which falls short of public evisceration but is still somewhat reassuring.


So what does it mean? Security apparatus finally got a deal with Trump after the several months of public negotiations? McMaster is level 99 ninja? What?

Edited, Apr 5th 2017 7:54pm by angrymnk
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#2748 Apr 05 2017 at 8:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Gbaji wrote:
Um... You provided your own answer. The "high profile" cases are a subset of all "hate crimes" (and are presumably large scale type events).
I said "high profile", because those are the ones that we know about.


And? The high profile ones tend to also be the ones that had the broadest impact, and thus are more likely to be known. Thus, they're inherently more likely to share many of the features associated with terrorism. That in no way means that all hate crimes are terrorism, which, if you recall, was the point I was questioning.

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For it to be terrorism, there has to be an intent to use the event to put fear into the population as a whole
Knowing that you would could be assaulted for simply existing is placing fear into the population as a whole.


No. It puts fear into you. If the aspect of your existence that it targeted is shared by a group, then it puts fear into that group. That's not the same as the population as a whole. If I plant bombs in random places where people congregate and set them off to randomly kill whomever happens to be there at the time, then everyone is at risk, and everyone is fearful. If I hate left handed red headed step children, and engage in targeted attacks against that set of people, then the only people who are afraid are those in the group.

The former case is terrorism (well, most likely). The latter is hate. While they can overlap, they are not the same.

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with an eye towards changing positions/policies in some way
Hence why I said in a meaningful difference. To the people being assaulted, it's all the same. I understand the textbook difference, but there are negligible differences on the actions, especially to the victims.


Again though, that's the point. The objective of terrorism is to put fear into everyone, not just the victims of the attack, or those who share some criteria with those victims. That is, arguably, the defining characteristic of terrorism. It's not targeted at a single group. It's specifically designed to make everyone take the terrorist seriously because anyone could be killed.

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The IRA planted bombs in public places and then called up the cops and told them where the bombs were. In most cases, no one was injured (with some notable exceptions).
I replied to your quote "Not all hate crimes are terrorism". Your example is that not all terrorism is a hate crime. Unless you were to argue the absence of love in the said terrorist action, I would agree.


I gave two examples. One showing how hate crimes don't always meet the criteria to be terrorism, and another showing how terrorism doesn't always meet the criteria to be a hate crime. You've chosen to ignore the first one. I'll repeat it for you:

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Some guy randomly beating up a gay guy because of his sexual orientation is committing a hate crime. He's not even remotely committing an act of terrorism though. Somewhat by definition a hate crime is the result of someone's hate (obvious yeah). If you hate <insert group here> you're not necessarily planning some grand scheme to influence people's opinions much less broad political policies when you take a hateful action towards a member of that group. The thought process for such people likely does not extend much beyond "there's someone in <insert group> right there! Let's get him!"
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#2749 Apr 05 2017 at 8:42 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
If I hate left handed red headed step children, and engage in targeted attacks against that set of people, then the only people who are afraid are those in the group.
Who are now terrified.

Terrorism.
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If I hate left handed red headed step children, and engage in targeted attacks against that set of people, then the only people who are afraid are those in the group.
Who are now terrified.

Terrorism.


Also, the people around left handed red headed step children have to be terrified, in case Gbaji decides to perpetrate his attack on them while they are near, which could have collateral damage.
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#2751 Apr 05 2017 at 9:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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If I hate left handed red headed step children, and engage in targeted attacks against that set of people, then the only people who are afraid are those in the group.
Who are now terrified.

Terrorism.


Also, the people around left handed red headed step children have to be terrified, in case Gbaji decides to perpetrate his attack on them while they are near, which could have collateral damage.

I note that his special title is "Encyclopedia" and not "Dictionary".Smiley: laugh
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