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#77 Apr 30 2008 at 4:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, the real point to the Wright issue isn't Wright himself. As has been mentioned many times, he's not running for president. He's free to be as nutty as he wants.

The real issue is that this is just one more in a series of bad judgment calls by Obama. His speech yesterday (Obama's) really brought it home. Obama has argued that he's got the foreign policy bit nailed because he'll be able to somehow sit down and talk to foreign leaders and magically come to agreements and solve problems. We're supposed to trust that he's going to be able to do this in a way that no one else can, because he's Obama and somehow uniquely qualified to meet with someone, figure out who they are, figure out what they want, figure out where they stand, and then figure out how to resolve differences in a way that works for everyone.


This is a bit hard to believe, when he's got a history of naively getting involved (at least he's claiming lack of knowledge) with people who have pretty questionable agendas. The Rezko thing isn't about whether Obama was involved in a criminal operation, but the fact that he got involved with someone who was (and someone who pretty obviously was even at the time Obama got involved). Wright shows us that he can know someone for nearly 20 years and still not realize that he's racist. Yeah. How does that work exactly?


So we're supposed to believe that a man who couldn't figure out that his pastor was a pretty radical guy with racist beliefs is going to go to Syria or Iran or North Korea, size up those leaders and be able to work out deals with them? I suspect that he'll fall over himself believing them when they say they are "good guys", ignore massive evidence to the contrary and all the warning signs, get us into really stupid agreements with them, and then when they stab us in the back, he'll do what? Give a speech about how dismayed he is that this leader whom he thought was a good guy turned out not to be after the fact?


Um... How about not? We may be able to trust Obama's motives (although I'm not 100% even on that), but we absolutely can't trust his ability to accurately read other people. He'll be eaten alive by other world leaders and taken advantage of, and the US will suffer for it.


And dare I mention Odinga again? Same deal. He shows a pattern of naively allowing himself to be used by others without figuring out that they have their own agenda, much less figuring out what that agenda is.


One can argue that the most important skill for a president to have is the ability to size people up. To figure out who he can trust and who he can't. To figure out who will do a good job and who wont. Presidents to not write legislation. They don't make rulings. Congress and SCOTUS do those two things. The president's job really is about appointments and policy setting. He has to pick people to put into positions of power. A president must be able to judge character, or bad things happen. Obama apparently can't do this very well...
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#78 Apr 30 2008 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent
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The real issue is that this is just one more in a series of bad judgment calls by Obama.


Yeah being born black was a HUGE mistake. I'm with you on that one. Thank god you and I picked better vaginas to fall out of.

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And dare I mention Odinga again?
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Why? Did you find a new poorly written, poorly cited blog with misleading statements and doctored photos? Smiley: laugh
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#80 Apr 30 2008 at 4:54 PM Rating: Good
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The real issue is that this is just one more in a series of bad judgment calls by Obama.


Yeah being born black was a HUGE mistake. I'm with you on that one. Thank god you and I picked better vaginas to fall out of.



Yes. Because he was so limited in his options growing up. As a result of this, he was forced to attend crappy schools like Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard. He's practically the poster child of how black kids don't have the same opportunities that white kids do.

And his wife was clearly even worse off...

You just don't think this stuff through at all, do you?


Obama's failings are not from birth, or as a result of his skin color. They are the result of his own choices. Period.
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Yes. Because he was so limited in his options growing up.


Yes, he did.

As a result of this, he was forced to attend crappy schools like Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard.

No, in *spite* of this he was able to attend good schools.


He's practically the poster child of how black kids don't have the same opportunities that white kids do.


No, he's pretty much the poster child for black politicians having to carry all the baggage of every other black politician, whereas McCain can openly accept endorsements from people who literally think Christ is going to lead a war from Jerusalem in our lifetime without batting an eye.

I could care less what you think of the guys policies, but at least get the biography vaguely correct.

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Yes. Because he was so limited in his options growing up.


Yes, he did.


Er? Did what? Did have limited options? So when he was ten and told his mom that'd he'd rather go to school in Hawaii then attend school in Indonesia, and she said "sure son!", this represented limited options in his life?

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As a result of this, he was forced to attend crappy schools like Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard.

No, in *spite* of this he was able to attend good schools.


In spite of what? What exactly about his history meant he had to struggle somehow to attend these schools?

His step father was an oil executive. His grandmother was a bank executive. That's why he was able to attend expensive private schools. Saying that he somehow succeeded "in spite" of his background is silly.


The guy had a silver spoon in his mouth for his entire life. What part of being black made him somehow disadvantaged here? He certainly had more ability to make choices in his life then most people do, regardless of their skin color...
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The guy had a silver spoon in his mouth for his entire life. What part of being black made him somehow disadvantaged here? He certainly had more ability to make choices in his life then most people do, regardless of their skin color...


Except he grew up without his father and spent time in Indonesia and lived on a farm.



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#84 Apr 30 2008 at 7:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Except he grew up without his father and spent time in Indonesia and lived on a farm.


Indonesian farms are all the rage among the monied elite. STOOOPID.
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And that allows Barry Hussein to paraphrase Steve Martin?

"Huh? I am not a bum. I'm a politician. I have wealth, power, and the love of a beautiful woman. Now I only have two things: my pastor and... uh... my thermos. Huh? My story? Okay. It was never easy for me. I was born a poor black child. I remember the days, sittin' on the porch with my family, singin' and dancin' down in Indonesia."


"And that's it and that's the only thing I need, is this. I don't need this or this. Just this Haav-ard education. And this paddle game, the Haav-ard education and the paddle game and that's all I need. And this remote control. The Haav-ard education, the paddle game, and the remote control, and that's all I need."

"Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust Whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it."

His sainted grandmother: Barry, it's your birthday, and it's time you knew. You're not our natural-born child.
Barry Hussein Obama: I'm not? You mean I'm gonna STAY this color?


Heheh. Classic stuff.

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#86 May 01 2008 at 8:22 AM Rating: Good
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In spite of what? What exactly about his history meant he had to struggle somehow to attend these schools?


That still doesn't mean they had enough money to BUY him into those schools like GW's family did.

Obama also had to take out student loans to attend there. Harvard these days covers tuition entirely for students whose family income is under $60,000 a year (the valedictorian at my high school went to Harvard free because her father was enlisted Army and made an army level salary), but anything over that means that the tution burden is on them and their family.

The cost is only half the equation, though. Harvard Law is not exactly an easy school to get into. The fact that he came from a mixed heritage background, got moved around a lot as a kid to other countries, was accepted as a scholarship student to Punahau school in Hawaii (just because you attended a good school doesn't mean you're rich -- fully half of the students at my high school, a fine arts academy, were on free school lunches) and managed to get accepted to Columbia and Harvard on his own merits despite all this, is nothing short of remarkable.
#87REDACTED, Posted: May 01 2008 at 11:52 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The real issue is that this is just one more in a series of bad judgment calls by Obama.
#88 May 01 2008 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
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The fact that he came from a mixed heritage background, got moved around a lot as a kid to other countries, was accepted as a scholarship student to Punahau school in Hawaii (just because you attended a good school doesn't mean you're rich -- fully half of the students at my high school, a fine arts academy, were on free school lunches) and managed to get accepted to Columbia and Harvard on his own merits despite all this, is nothing short of remarkable.


So you're saying he didn't get a free ride into Annapolis because his father was an admiral, then get into politics relying on pity for having been a ****** pilot who was shot down by midgets with 1930s technology?

Because that would be kind of embarrassing.

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The guy had a silver spoon in his mouth for his entire life. What part of being black made him somehow disadvantaged here? He certainly had more ability to make choices in his life then most people do, regardless of their skin color...


Except he grew up without his father and spent time in Indonesia and lived on a farm.


Er? He grew up with a wealthy step father. You guys do realize that people can be wealthy without being white and living in western nations, right? There are wealthy people in Indonesia, and Africa, The Philippines, etc.

At age ten, he decided that he wanted to go to school in the US instead of in Indonesia. I suppose lots of poor folks in that country then are immediately sent to Hawaii to attend the oldest and most prestigious school in that state. Well, that's where he went. Then he moved to California and attended another exclusive liberal arts university. Then he attended Columbia. Then Harvard.


Sorry. Where in his life was he disadvantaged? I'm pretty sure his tale of woe really resounds with all the white kids attending the local state university on a student loan program, and they are so in tune with the hardships of Barack Obama's life.


How racist can you guys be? You simply assume that because he's black he must have been poor and disadvantaged? That's insane...

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The fact that he came from a mixed heritage background, got moved around a lot as a kid to other countries, was accepted as a scholarship student to Punahau school in Hawaii (just because you attended a good school doesn't mean you're rich -- fully half of the students at my high school, a fine arts academy, were on free school lunches) and managed to get accepted to Columbia and Harvard on his own merits despite all this, is nothing short of remarkable.


So you're saying he didn't get a free ride into Annapolis because his father was an admiral, then get into politics relying on pity for having been a sh*tty pilot who was shot down by midgets with 1930s technology?

Because that would be kind of embarrassing.



No one's claiming that McCain's childhood was a "struggle" though Smash.

See the difference?

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No one's claiming that McCain's childhood was a "struggle" though Smash.


No? Apparently Annapolis was a struggle for him. He graduated fifth in his class of 900. From the bottom. I'm sure being the wealthy son of an Admiral wasn't a factor in him getting flight school. Clearly if Obama had gone to Anappolis and had the same class rank, he'd have been flying jets, too, since they had the same opportunities, right?

And after he'd crashed and totaled two multi-million dollar jets, Obamma would have been given yet another chance, right? Because the opportunities are equal.

*****, please.






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And what exactly does that have to do with Obama's judgment?

McCain didn't join a church with 12 posted racist "values", and a clearly racist pastor.

McCain didn't get himself involved in beneficial real estate deals with a shady local businessman.

McCain didn't sit on a political organization's board (presumably with benefit to his own aspirations) alongside an admitted terrorist who has somehow managed to parlay his actions into a "respected" position in Democrat political circles in Chicago (gee. Can that city be a bit more dirty?).

McCain didn't travel to a foreign country and allow himself to be used as a political stooge for an opposition candidate who turned out to have made deals with radical muslim groups to institute Sharia law, and who, when he failed to win, held the nation hostage with violent uprising that killed upwards of a thousand people.


All of those show bad judgment. All of them show a man who seems unable (or unwilling) to look at the people he's involved with and decide if they are good people or not. He seems to have a remarkable propensity to naively waltz into a situation hook up with the first fast talking swindler nearby and then be *shocked* when it later turns out that person had a questionable agenda and was just using him.

Gee... That's exactly who we want for president. I'm quite sure that McCains piloting skills aren't going to be relevant to his ability to be a successful president. Obama's lack of people skills *is* significant, don't you agree?
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And what exactly does that have to do with Obama's judgment?


Nothing, we were talking about his opportunities.

If you want to concede that McCain had a massive advantage in opportunities, that's fine with me.

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And what exactly does that have to do with Obama's judgment?


Nothing, we were talking about his opportunities.


No. We were talking about judgment. That being relevant to a conversation about Wright and Obama.

You were arguing that Obama's didn't have good choices available to him because he was born black. Or at least that's what I assume you meant by:

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The real issue is that this is just one more in a series of bad judgment calls by Obama.

Yeah being born black was a HUGE mistake. I'm with you on that one. Thank god you and I picked better vaginas to fall out of.



McCain has *nothing* to do with this.

I'm waiting for you to explain to the rest of the class how Obama's birth had anything to do with the choices he made after graduating from Colombia and Harvard Universities. You seem to think this made all the difference. I'd like to hear you explain why.
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You were arguing that Obama's didn't have good choices available to him because he was born black. Or at least that's what I assume you meant by:


No, what I meant was your argument was laughable. That's why I made a joke.

Obama's made great choices. Wright's a problem because he's black. Period. Billy Grahm told Nixon he couldn't tolerate the "Jews stranglehold on the country" but he looks like a white insurance salesman so he can have private meetings with presidents, no big deal.

Wright's a flamboyant BLACK guy, that's the problem, we both know it.

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#96 May 01 2008 at 6:21 PM Rating: Decent
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it's still incorrect to equate this to what Mr Wright has said. Robertson is singling out specific groups who choose to act in ways which he disagrees with.


Robertson is a sought after endorsement. Obama rejects Wright. And their statements are equally batshit insane, ergo the right wing looses again.

But gbaji "leaves no marks" is yet more totally batshit wacko then either, so...
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"...shot down by midgets with 1930s technology?" --Smash

I didn't realize that surface-to-air missles were so readily available during the Depression.

The truth is that he saw the launch, but was determined to take out the target once and for all. He stayed on it knowing just how dangerous it was for him to remain locked on, but that's McCain. Stubborn to a fault. He got his bombs away and moments later the SAM blew up, catastrophically damaging the aircraft and injuring him by breaking an arm in the process.

That being said, I do agree with you that gooks look like midgets.

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