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#1 Mar 17 2006 at 12:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Bill Gates Mocks $100 Laptop Program
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Microsoft Corp. Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates on Wednesday mocked a $100 laptop computer for developing countries being developed with the backing of rival Google Inc. at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

The $100 laptop project seeks to provide inexpensive computers to people in developing countries. The computers lack many features found on a typical personal computer, such as a hard disk and software.

"The last thing you want to do for a shared use computer is have it be something without a disk ... and with a tiny little screen," Gates said at the Microsoft Government Leaders Forum in suburban Washington.

"Hardware is a small part of the cost" of providing computing capabilities, he said, adding that the big costs come from network connectivity, applications and support.

Before his critique, Gates showed off a new "ultra-mobile computer" which runs Microsoft Windows on a seven-inch (17.78-centimeter) touch screen.

Those machines are expected to sell for between $599 and $999, Microsoft said at the product launch last week. (Full story)

"If you are going to go have people share the computer, get a broadband connection and have somebody there who can help support the user, geez, get a decent computer where you can actually read the text and you're not sitting there cranking the thing while you're trying to type," Gates said.

Gates described the computers as being for shared use, but the project goes under the name "One Laptop per Child." A representative for the project did not immediately reply to an inquiry seeking comment.

Earlier this year, Google founder Larry Page said his company is backing MIT's project. He showed a model of the machine that does use a crank as one source of power.

"The laptops ... will be able to do most everything except store huge amounts of data," according to the project's Web site.
Huh. Since Microsoft seems to have the "ultra-mobile" computer down to a science, maybe Bill could be helping these people develop a super-cheap laptop for developing nations' children rather than mocking it while plugging his new thousand dollar product. That and he misrepresents it both in purpose and usage.

I guess I was particularly taken back because Gates's charity contributions are always touted as his big redeeming feature. It would seem the classy thing to do here would be to help or at least shut up about it. Is he worried that the impoverished Laotian children might not buy an "ultra-mobile" now?
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#2 Mar 17 2006 at 12:27 PM Rating: Good
He's probably pissed that they're using Linux.

Edit: Found this site with more info about the laptops themselves.

http://wiki.laptop.org/wiki/One_Laptop_per_Child

Edited, Fri Mar 17 12:31:51 2006 by Wint
#3 Mar 17 2006 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Bill Gates gives more money to charity than any other person on the earth.

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The $100 laptop project seeks to provide inexpensive computers to people in developing countries. The computers lack many features found on a typical personal computer, such as a hard disk and software


It's a ******* $100 calculator. If you are going to give them something, make it usable or atleast functional. This is like giving everyone person on the earth one rollerskate with 3 wheels on it.

What did you expect him to do? Offer to pay for it all? They asked what he thought about it, he gave his opinion. Not tacky at all.
#4 Mar 17 2006 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I guess I was particularly taken back because Gates's charity contributions are always touted as his big redeeming feature. It would seem the classy thing to do here would be to help or at least shut up about it.

I'm pretty sure his charitable contributions weren't always so charitable. Didn't he catch a lot of heat from stakeholders complaining of his greedy like behavior? You can tell how he would react to this based off of his business tactics also. He's pretty damn good at strong arming the competition. At points in time he's had monopoly like control over the market too. He's a shrewd business man, not a philanthropist.
#5 Mar 17 2006 at 12:39 PM Rating: Decent
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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:


It's a ******* $100 calculator. If you are going to give them something, make it usable or atleast functional. This is like giving everyone person on the earth one rollerskate with 3 wheels on it.


I'm sure people without rollerskates are still happy they are getting something.

#6 Mar 17 2006 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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fenderputy the Shady wrote:
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:


It's a ******* $100 calculator. If you are going to give them something, make it usable or atleast functional. This is like giving everyone person on the earth one rollerskate with 3 wheels on it.


I'm sure people without rollerskates are still happy they are getting something.



You mean like muffins without tops? Yeah that doesn't go over so well.
#7 Mar 17 2006 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
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Kids that get all of their exposure to computers on the OLPC dont learn to depend on Windows, and office, and frontpage, and sharepoint, and .NET and Internet Explorer.

They therefore realize that they can in fact be productive with a computer without shelling out $500 on microsoft products. This is bad thinking which does not help make Microsoft more money. If Microsoft is going to continue it's position as being synonomous with Desktop Computing then they need to ensure that the majority of the next generation is only exposed to Microsoft software.

I bet he would feel a little better about the OLPC program if they ran CE
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fenderputy the Shady wrote:
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:


It's a ******* $100 calculator. If you are going to give them something, make it usable or atleast functional. This is like giving everyone person on the earth one rollerskate with 3 wheels on it.


I'm sure people without rollerskates are still happy they are getting something.



You have a lot of faith in people. In my experience, you could give someone a pair of perfectly functional rollerskates and they would ***** about them not being a name brand or having the special straps for lacing up or some other such nonsense.
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MentalFrog wrote:
fenderputy the Shady wrote:
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:


It's a ******* $100 calculator. If you are going to give them something, make it usable or atleast functional. This is like giving everyone person on the earth one rollerskate with 3 wheels on it.


I'm sure people without rollerskates are still happy they are getting something.



You mean like muffins without tops? Yeah that doesn't go over so well.


Top of the muffin' to ya!
#10 Mar 17 2006 at 12:50 PM Rating: Default
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I'm pretty sure his charitable contributions weren't always so charitable. Didn't he catch a lot of heat from stakeholders complaining of his greedy like behavior? You can tell how he would react to this based off of his business tactics also. He's pretty damn good at strong arming the competition. At points in time he's had monopoly like control over the market too. He's a shrewd business man, not a philanthropist.[/quote]

he's a ******* in business but you can't be on the top unless you strangle that little thing called a conscience, which is why I think he gives so much money to charities, he's trying to make up for what he knows was unethical or downright dirty tactics
#11 Mar 17 2006 at 12:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Kakar wrote:
fenderputy the Shady wrote:
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:


It's a ******* $100 calculator. If you are going to give them something, make it usable or atleast functional. This is like giving everyone person on the earth one rollerskate with 3 wheels on it.


I'm sure people without rollerskates are still happy they are getting something.



You have a lot of faith in people. In my experience, you could give someone a pair of perfectly functional rollerskates and they would ***** about them not being a name brand or having the special straps for lacing up or some other such nonsense.


You're experience is with Americuns though. Not too many Americans understand what it's like to be truly poor. I'm not saying I understand what it is like but, if you’re scraping the bottom of the barrel, anything helps.
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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Bill Gates gives more money to charity than any other person on the earth.
He has more money. Which I don't even say to detract from what he does give but it's not as though he's the widow with two coins.
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What did you expect him to do? Offer to pay for it all?
No, otherwise I would have said so. Not misrepresenting it would have been a good start. Namely:
"If you are going to go have people share the computer,

It's not inteded to be a shared use computer in that sense.

...get a broadband connection and have somebody there who can help support the user

Sure, call Congo technical support and have them come to your hut and walk you through how to make Word macros.

...geez, get a decent computer where you can actually read the text and you're not sitting there cranking the thing while you're trying to type,"

I don't think anyone agrees that cranking to charge a battery (prior to use, not during use) would be anyone's first choice. But it's probably easier than trying to find a 120v outlet in a tree stump.

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They asked what he thought about it
Did you read a different article? Mine didn't mention how he got onto the topic at all, just that he was speaking before the Microsoft Government Leaders Forum.

Edited, Fri Mar 17 13:05:40 2006 by Jophiel
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#13 Mar 17 2006 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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It would seem the classy thing to do here would be to help


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No, otherwise I would have said so. Not misrepresenting it would have been a good start.


Really?

Retract the what "he was asked". I thought that I had read this somewhere else as an interview by a news agency or reporter.


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Help = Pay for the whole thing?

I'll be damned. Guess you got me there. Next time I "help" the Salvation Army, I'll make sure to take on their entire debt-load Smiley: rolleyes

Oh, and to finish my trundacted quote from you: "...or at least shut up about it."
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#15 Mar 17 2006 at 1:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
It's a ******* $100 calculator. If you are going to give them something, make it usable or atleast functional.
It'll get its software off Flash-memory style cards or cartridges. I suppose the kiddies will have to live without Windows Solitaire but they can still type and use educational programs.

I assume that the idea isn't to just fly a helicopter over some Indochinese village and kick a crate of $100 laptops off the edge. Rather, they will be a cheap educational tool to be used by schools and charities to train the children to do something other than grow rice or sew counterfeit Gucci purses. At school they can potentially network or go online but children would also be able to take them home to learn on as well (hence the crank option of power) and their low value and relative uselessness without pre-loaded software would make them unattractive for theft.

Think of it as a LeapPad style unit but with a screen and the ability to do math and word processing.

Edited, Fri Mar 17 13:44:20 2006 by Jophiel
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#16 Mar 17 2006 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
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I just think you're being a whiny **** and trying to make a mountain out of a couple of small off-hand comments. How...well...liberal media conspiracy of you. Smiley: smile

Since you're such a humanitarian, I suppose Google can put you down for, say, 10 of them?
Great, thanks.
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A mountain would be me doing more than posting on Forum=4 about it. Smiley: tongue

Since Bill Gates is such a humanitarian who gives more than Jesus, I suppose Google can put him down for a million-thousand units? Smiley: laugh
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#18 Mar 17 2006 at 1:56 PM Rating: Decent
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He's too tacky to give anything.

What a scrooge.
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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
He's too tacky
Dude, that was my point!

See? We could have had this enlightening conversation on a $100 laptop and educated you on the cheap. Smiley: schooled
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Jophiel wrote:
Think of it as a LeapPad style unit but with a screen and the ability to do math and word processing.


Yup. That's how I've always seen this project. It's actually a really good idea. The objective is to build a cheap computer that will last a long time, has network capability, and programability.


Gate's is totally wrong (kinda like he was with that whole "internet" thing). Once again, he's displaying his lack of ability to see computers as they might be rather then as they are right now. This project came about with the realization that the biggest obstacle to education in developing countries was the cost of materials. Books are expensive. Paper is expensive. Pencils are expensive. May not seem so, but when you add up the cost of those things over a students entire school career, it's *huge*. Some bright guy realized that computers were actually cheaper. Put the books in solid state cartridges or disk (like CDroms and DVDs). Design cheap "dumb terminal" type computers for the kids to use. Toss in some network capability and/or port to a read/write device, and you have a complete replacement for books, paper, and pencils. Heck. If the kids need to turn in work on them, just issue the teacher a thumbnail drive (they're cheap as heck now too).

Even with breakage rates, the total cost is cheaper doing it this way and it exposes these kids to technology that they'd otherwise never see. This prepares them for future employment beyond agrarian or basic labor work. It's a good idea. Gate's is most likely annoyed about it because he can't find any way to charge ridiculous amounts of cash for the use of Windows on the systems.
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#21 Mar 17 2006 at 5:35 PM Rating: Good
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Wow, Nepth. Your wife needs to hurry up and have this baby.
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