death squads active in Iraq.....Follow

I thought it was Bush's incompetency and inept policy along with his administrations complete disregard to the vast volume of work (and therefore inaccessibly too complex for bush)on how to handle the occupation and rebuilding of Iraq that was working hard against the US?

Turn him loose, sure..turn him loose in Kuwait. I was there shortly after Gulf War 1 and saw what he and his troops did in Kuwait. Truly sickening seeing a 14 yr old girl pregnant after being raped by an Iraqi trooper.

Should we have killed him during Gulf War 1, hell yes. The reason we did not take care of him the first time was George Bush the 1st new that civil war would happen; Colin Powell knew and so did Gen Swartzkhoph (sp?).

I do not believe we should be there now but will never say a bad word about our troops. They are doing their job and their job sucks. This whole problem stems from George Bush the 2nd's incompetance as a leader. Never enter a war without a exit plan. What a f'in dope.

I say let the savages take care of themselves.

EDIT: Because I have no f'in clue what I am talkin about

Edited, Tue Mar 14 10:03:30 2006 by shadomen

Well, at least Iraq is still sfer than the streets of the US.

Right?

Turn him loose, sure..turn him loose in Kuwait. I was there shortly after Gulf War 1 and saw what he and his troops did in Kuwait. Truly sickening seeing a 14 yr old girl pregnant after being raped by an Iraqi trooper.
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war is hell. it is sickining. it is an autrocity in itself

that said, is what you saw any worse than surrounding Falluja, killing every male on sight, then going door to door killing every living person in the city, taking not a single prisoner, weather they were armed, or just trying to hide from the violance, men women and children alike?

that is exactly what WE did in Falluja. we killed every one. all of them. not a single prisoner. then we buried their bodies in trenches dug in the streets with bulldozers by the thousands.

WE did this. this is WAR.

WE started this one when it did not need to be started. war should be a LAST resort. this one was not. WE have butchered tens of thousands of human beings NEEDLESSLY.

we sould have never have gone. we need to leave. now.

Personally, I think the Democratic Party has revived the cryogenically hibernated Nicaragaun death squads from the Reagan days-- you know, those bad guys the Dems kept insisting were the nefarious business arm of the Republicans, funded by big oil money and given a special charter to suppress freedom loving Marxists and pro-Abortionists all across Central America --just to be a thorn in Dubya's side.

C'mon, shadow. What's new? In any semi-lawless state vigilantism is always going to rear it's hoary head. In the Deep South we had these running around for decades-- and this being in a nation of laws and justice. Look at any mid to large city and you'll see the same thing going on in the inner city where drug dealers and gangs dispense vigilante justice every day of any given year. Why would Iraq with its' abundance of personally owned weaponry be any different?

Totem

And just for the record, the real reason "the job wasn't finished the first time around in Gulf War I" (as people like Shadowrelm like to say) is the same reason no Arab states (with the exception of the quiet participation of Kuwait) joined in during Gulf War 2: There is a long standing stigma or internal conflict against joining with the West against a brother Muslim nation.

George Bush Sr. knew that the coalition would not remain united once a drive to Baghdad began. So he did what any good poker player or insightful statesman would do-- he left the game while he was ahead. And George? He was waaaaaay ahead. He had accomplished everything he set out to do and then some. It's only 20/20 hindsight that lets us see that Saddam would continue to be a problem child.

So let us say that again just to be clear. We could not have toppled Saddam any more effectively the first time than we actually did the second time. That was not the issue then. Cohesion was.

Totem

Maybe, but given your fear of foreigners who might smell and speak in tongues you don't understand, I doubt it.

...doesn't even speak English...
..."I wonder how many people on this train know it is customary to shower daily in this country."...
...To add insult to injury, he had to grab his cell phone and start talking real loudly, in some language I think only martians could understand....

Save it for the Reichstag there, Hitler.

You compare me to that lunatic because I believe people should shower? You compare me to that lunatic because I believe that you should (a) keep your cell phone conversation to yourself and (b) speak in a laguage this country was founded on? Good Theory....don't ever compare me to that guy.EVER.

I will keep on ******** about smelly people, you keep on cryin about your fast food packaging, kk

Edited, Tue Mar 14 13:00:13 2006 by shadomen

Now the light of your xenophobia shines through the cracks. A man having a private conversation on his phone is derided because it's not in the language you approve of. He's not requesting a driver's license, not asking for government forms, not demanding the street signs be multilingual -- just talkin' to someone on the phone but, oh no!, it's not in English! What's worse is that you bring it up multiple times thinking we'll all go "Yeah! Damn stinky foreigners!"

No one ever advocated killing people because of their food packaging, mein Fuhrer

I never said you were in the military either, for all I know you were over there making "Camel ****", with some kinky German tourists.
But even an amateur "Camel fu[black][/black]cker", would have the basic geo-political awareness, to be able to name the "Republican Guard" and have learned how to spell Schwarzkopf's name, if they were going to be spending anytime in Kuwait.

Especially if they had taken the time to have the image of a pregnant, 14 yr old burned into their mind, I mean the last time I checked a pregnancy only took 9 months right? So you had to have been there shortly after the end of combat and it still had to be hotter than a firecracker over there.

I'm saying your story has some holes, or maybe I'm just being to hard on an "Amateur Camel ****" film maker.

Just saying.

Joph, stop poking the laama...you're going to make him explode.

No, I have issues with your nationalistic xenophobia and racism. Your attempts to cloak your hatred for other races under a guise of "they smell" merely amuses me.

Yes, I admit to disliking racists. I'll embrace your "intolerant" label if that's what it requires.

In the meantime, I really doubt you went anywhere near the Middle East to help a bunch of gibbering brown people who stink of camel. Doesn't really seem your bag.