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#1 Mar 01 2006 at 5:51 PM Rating: Decent
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http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/mg18925331.200-take-a-leap-into-hyperspace.html wrote:
if you use an electromagnetic field to accelerate an electron you move the gravitational field associated with its mass. But in the four dimensions we know, you cannot change the strength of gravity simply by cranking up the electromagnetic field.....

In Heim's view of space and time, this limitation disappears. He claimed it is possible to convert electromagnetic energy into gravitational and back again, and speculated that a rotating magnetic field could reduce the influence of gravity on a spacecraft enough for it to take off.....


This force is a result of the interaction of Heim's fifth and sixth dimensions and the extra dimensions that Dröscher introduced. It produces pairs of "gravitophotons", particles that mediate the interconversion of electromagnetic and gravitational energy.....

to completely counter Earth's pull on a 150-tonne spacecraft a magnetic field of around 25 tesla would be needed. While that's 500,000 times the strength of Earth's magnetic field, pulsed magnets briefly reach field strengths up to 80 tesla. And Dröscher and Häuser go further. With a faster-spinning ring and an even stronger magnetic field, gravitophotons would interact with conventional gravity to produce a repulsive anti-gravity force.....

suggests that a spacecraft fitted with a coil and ring could be propelled into a multidimensional hyperspace. Here the constants of nature could be different, and even the speed of light could be several times faster than we experience. If this happens, it would be possible to reach Mars in less than 3 hours and a star 11 light years away in only 80 days....







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#2 Mar 01 2006 at 5:57 PM Rating: Decent
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#3 Mar 01 2006 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
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#4 Mar 01 2006 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
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#5 Mar 01 2006 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
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#6 Mar 01 2006 at 6:00 PM Rating: Decent
Kaelesh, your avatar is creeping me out.
#7 Mar 01 2006 at 6:01 PM Rating: Decent
As it should be.

Everyone respect the Regan in drag.

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#8 Mar 01 2006 at 6:06 PM Rating: Good
Thanks for momentarily alleviating my boredom Kel Smiley: yippee
#9 Mar 01 2006 at 6:21 PM Rating: Good
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I've heard of this theory before. It's one of those theories with lots of promise, but that hasn't been tested (or those who claim to have done so can't repeat their experiments).

Definately worth looking into IMO. I have a sneaking suspicion that it'll require more then just spinning a disk to counter gravity, but who knows?
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#10 Mar 01 2006 at 6:30 PM Rating: Decent
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I've heard of this theory before. It's one of those theories with lots of promise, but that hasn't been tested (or those who claim to have done so can't repeat their experiments).

Definately worth looking into IMO. I have a sneaking suspicion that it'll require more then just spinning a disk to counter gravity, but who knows?





"Dröscher and Häuser's experiment requires a magnetic coil several metres in diameter capable of sustaining an enormous current density. Most engineers say that this is not feasible with existing materials and technology, but Roger Lenard, a space propulsion researcher at Sandia National Laboratories in New Mexico thinks it might just be possible. Sandia runs an X-ray generator known as the Z machine which "could probably generate the necessary field intensities and gradients".

For now, though, Lenard considers the theory too shaky to justify the use of the Z machine. "I would be very interested in getting Sandia interested if we could get a more perspicacious introduction to the mathematics behind the proposed experiment,"



If they ever DID get this off the ground.. I think it would open an entirely new barrel of monkies.

Waht this theory claims is an actual compatability between Relativity and Quantum Mechanics... Which right there, most people would call a vast stretch...


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#11 Mar 01 2006 at 6:42 PM Rating: Decent
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"Gravitophotons" sounds like a totally made-up explanatory construct that would give cognitivie psychologists a run for their money.

But even if it were possible to travel at those speeds, something tells me you'd have a rather difficult time "steering." In other words, if you actually did leave Earth via multidimensional hyperspace with the intention of arriving at Mars in 3 hours, you might just find yourself shredded into a quarkish stew, torn asunder through a black hole, and re-constituted 10,000,000 lightyears away on the wrong end of a Klingon ******.
#12 Mar 01 2006 at 6:44 PM Rating: Decent
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"Gravitophotons" sounds like a totally made-up explanatory construct




gee, umm, where do you think we got ANY of our terms from?

it wasn't a ******* burning bush on a mountain!!



everything has to start somwhere.

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#13 Mar 01 2006 at 6:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Made-up words are fine. Made-up explanatory constructs are what can cause the problems.
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http://www.americanantigravity.com/articles/140/1/Heim-Quantum-Theory-for-Space-Propulsion wrote:
This paper describes a novel space propulsion technique, based on an extension of a unified field theory in a quantized, higher-dimensional space, developed by the late B. Heim (1977) in the 50s and 60s of the last century,termed Heim Quantum Theory (HQT). As a consequence of the unification, HQT predicts six fundamental interactions. The two additional interactions should enable a completely different type of propulsion, denoted gravitophoton field propulsion. The fifth interaction, termed gravitophoton force, would accelerate a material body without the need of propellant. Gravitophoton interaction is a gravitational like force, mediated by gravitophoton particles that come in both types, attractive and repulsive. Gravitophoton particles are generated in pairs from the vacuum itself by the effect of vacuum polarization (virtual electrons), under the presence of a very strong magnetic field (photons). Due to gravitophoton pair production, the total energy extracted from the vacuum is zero. Attractive gravitophotons interact with matter, and thus can become real particles, exacting a force on a material body. Repulsive gravitophotons have a much smaller cross section and do not interact with matter. Consequently, the kinetic energy of the accelerated material body would come from the vacuum, satisfying the second condition, i.e., a low energy budget for space propulsion. The name gravitophoton has been chosen because a transformation of photons into gravitational energy should take place.

The third condition for advanced spaceflight, superluminal speed, may be realized by transition into a parallel space, in which covariant laws of physics are valid, with a limiting speed of light nc, where n is an integer and c is the vacuum speed of light. In order to achieve such a transition, the sixth fundamental interaction would be needed, termed vacuum field (or quintessence), which is a weakly repulsive gravitational like force, mediated by the vacuum particle, being formed by the interaction of repulsive gravitophotons with the gravitons of the spacecraft. The paper discusses the source of the two predicted interactions, the concept of parallel space, and presents the physical model along with an experimental setup to measure and estimate the gravitophoton force. Estimates for the magnitude of magnetic fields are presented, and trip times for lunar and Mars missions are given.






Made up? Hasn't everything that you KNOW been "made up" by sombody?

Is not EVERY interpretation of existance and reality simply a "made-up" assumption of relative Truths?
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#16 Mar 01 2006 at 7:28 PM Rating: Decent
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We decide which is right and which is.....an illusion.





edited cus I think I misquoted the Moody Blues - Aak!

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#17 Mar 01 2006 at 7:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Made up? Hasn't everything that you KNOW been "made up" by sombody?

Is not EVERY interpretation of existance and reality simply a "made-up" assumption of relative Truths?

This seems to be a recurring problem. That is a philosophical issue, which I'm also very interested in. But whenever you throw some science or pseudo-science out there, and you get a response back that is rooted more in the language of science than philosophy, you don't seem to like it very much.

I don't know anything about gravitophotons. For all I know, physics has indeed identified it as an "actual" entity. But from my cursory exposure to it, the term appears a lot closer to an explanatory construct fabricated to explain something else. My only point was that if this is the case, such practices often prove dangerous. A lot of wasted time and money has been wasted on looking for a mediating construct that never existed to begin with. The classic example in psychology is "drive," which was presumed to be something an organism had which caused or mediated overt behavior. It turned out to be an utterly fruitless line of research and was dropped.

So yes, everything we know is "made up" in the sense that every single word in every single language is just a vocal/written symbol constructed by humans. Science is about finding evidence that the symbols correspond in some way to "what's out there." Granted, concepts may begin as theoretical symbols or metaphors (like "atom"), but in hard science, theories are built from a body of established principles and facts, and those theories are constantly challenged and tested for limitations. Theories that have stood up to the test of time have routinely held up under the scrutiny and criticism built into the practice of science. There is (and should be) especially strong resistance to theoretical symbols that are tied more closely to fanciful visions of the future or personal theories of reality than to emprical facts and data.

So, as someone with a strong background in science, I can only hope you forgive me if my immediate reaction tends to be critical and skeptical. It's what I was trained to do.
#18 Mar 01 2006 at 8:23 PM Rating: Good
I was going to research hyperdrive, but some assclown stole all my Deuterium.
#19 Mar 01 2006 at 8:26 PM Rating: Good
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So, as someone with a strong background in **** retention, I can only hope you forgive me if my immediate reaction tends to be to raise my leg and p1ss all over Kelvy's stoned ramblings. It's what I was trained to do.


Just because I haven't FTFY in a while...







Quoting > me.

Edited, Wed Mar 1 20:27:07 2006 by TStephens
#20 Mar 01 2006 at 8:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Jawbox the Furtive wrote:
So, as someone with a strong background in **** retention, I can only hope you forgive me if my immediate reaction tends to be to raise my leg and p1ss all over Kelvy's stoned ramblings. It's what I was trained to do.


Just because I haven't FTFY in a while...

What can I say? Kelvy makes me pee... I'll try to hold it next time. Smiley: bah
#21 Mar 01 2006 at 9:03 PM Rating: Good
Wait, there's four dimensions now?
#22 Mar 02 2006 at 1:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Jawbox the Furtive wrote:
I don't know anything about gravitophotons. For all I know, physics has indeed identified it as an "actual" entity. But from my cursory exposure to it, the term appears a lot closer to an explanatory construct fabricated to explain something else. My only point was that if this is the case, such practices often prove dangerous. A lot of wasted time and money has been wasted on looking for a mediating construct that never existed to begin with. The classic example in psychology is "drive," which was presumed to be something an organism had which caused or mediated overt behavior. It turned out to be an utterly fruitless line of research and was dropped.



Dude, this thing got an award from the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics LAST YEAR and the fu[cyan][/cyan]cking military is drooling all over it.

How are you come in here with your knee-jerk finger pointing and accuse me of spreading around more mindless philosophy?

I mean waht do you want? It's a legitimate article about a legitimate scientific theory that was made by a cripple who speaks no English!! Waht exactly do you think my agenda is here, I thought that it was pretty damn interesting... you're just stuck on my NUTS.

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This seems to be a recurring problem. That is a philosophical issue, which I'm also very interested in. But whenever you throw some science or pseudo-science out there, and you get a response back that is rooted more in the language of science than philosophy, you don't seem to like it very much.


I have no problem with being challenged as to the origins of my ideas.. but waht IS a reoccuring problem is that if presented with somthing that you do not understand; you automatically pass it off as psuedo-science...

basically the only thing "scientifically rooted" thing you said was "I never heard of that word.. they must be making it up".

Waht do you think half of the terms USED in physics ARE? they are merely labels of observed events... THAT'S IT! There is no magical database of undiscovered scientific facts floating around out there!! They are making it up as they go and taking notes.. that's ALL that science is.

If you think any different then you are as gullable as you are stubborn.

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but in hard science, theories are built from a body of established principles and facts, and those theories are constantly challenged and tested for limitations. Theories that have stood up to the test of time have routinely held up under the scrutiny and criticism built into the practice of science. There is (and should be) especially strong resistance to theoretical symbols that are tied more closely to fanciful visions of the future or personal theories of reality than to emprical facts and data.



yeah yeah

That'd be great if I posted an article that wasn't from a well established news media that is well accepted in the scientifica community. Did you even ReAD the article?

you're a broken record
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#23 Mar 02 2006 at 9:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Kelvyquayo, Eater of Souls wrote:
Waht this theory claims is an actual compatability between Relativity and Quantum Mechanics... Which right there, most people would call a vast stretch...

#24 Mar 02 2006 at 10:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Jawbox the Furtive wrote:
Kelvyquayo, Eater of Souls wrote:
Waht this theory claims is an actual compatability between Relativity and Quantum Mechanics... Which right there, most people would call a vast stretch...





and?
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#25 Mar 02 2006 at 10:22 AM Rating: Decent
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And they're all wrong! Smiley: lol
#26 Mar 02 2006 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
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are you fu[cyan][/cyan]ckin' daft mate?


who is all wrong?

your mother?
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