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#52 Feb 24 2006 at 5:25 PM Rating: Decent
Jophiel wrote:
saw Jean Valjean get his *** chased across France for years for stealing a loaf of bread!


He stole my marble rye!
#53 Feb 24 2006 at 5:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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You had me at "bread".
You had me at "Cinderella".


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#54 Feb 24 2006 at 5:26 PM Rating: Excellent
Buying a meal at MacDonalds once, the poor man at the checkout was so busy that he handed over my meal but forgot to charge me for it.

I ate my meal, left the restaurant then later realised I had not paid when I still had all my money on me. 3 hours later (I had to shop, duh) I wandered back to the restuarant and paid for my meal. I just could not live with the guilt, even over a sum less than 3 pounds.

So I hope that answers what I would do with the money, be honest else guilt eats at me.

Kaelesh, I really beleive you did the right thing Smiley: yippee
Though you may kick yourself for being shy of 6 thousand dollars, ask yourself this. Had you taken the money and bought a plasma TV, would the memory that you stole the money have haunted you EVERY time you looked at it? That would kill me!

Also I have to ask was this a drive through bank or something? Smiley: eek Sounds a little odd to ask for a tube. In the UK we have to transact over a counter or at a machine that swallows envelopes.
Although I lived in the US for a while, I never banked there .. all a little odd to me Smiley: smile
#55 Feb 24 2006 at 5:32 PM Rating: Decent
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What you're arguing is the difference betwen murder 1 and manslaughter--however you want to argue it, there's still a corpse.
I see dead people. Smiley: sly
#56 Feb 24 2006 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Though you may kick yourself for being shy of 6 thousand dollars, ask yourself this. Had you taken the money and bought a plasma TV, would the memory that you stole the money have haunted you EVERY time you looked at it?


It was 600 US Dollars actually. (Fixed the OP for clarity on this)

The only memory that would have haunted me was the old shi[/red]tty TV fighting for its life as I tossed it in the dumpster. *Shudder*

Edit: Fuc[red]
king filter.

Edited, Fri Feb 24 17:47:50 2006 by Kaelesh
#57 Feb 24 2006 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Go DLP. Cheaper with better pitcure qaulity.


Depends on what you are getting, if it is between DLP and Plasma then go DLP. If it is between LCD and DLP then go LCD, the quality difference is quite recognizable.

44" LCD > 52" DLP



Ehhh ... what do we have for our looser Alex.

DLP is supposed to be the best quality picture available.

http://www.hp.com/sbso/product/projector/technologycomparison.html
#58 Feb 24 2006 at 5:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Ehhh ... what do we have for our looser Alex.

DLP is supposed to be the best quality picture available.


Supposed to and watching movies/playing x-box's on both is a little different ...

Next Please!


Your link is a comparison of HP DLP Projector's and LCD Projectors, this was a Sony DLP and it was not impressive, very grainy. Kind of like watching the 10 year old projection tv's (using component cables as well)

Edited, Fri Feb 24 17:49:57 2006 by Kronig
#59 Feb 24 2006 at 5:48 PM Rating: Good
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Elderon the Wise wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
What you're arguing is the difference betwen murder 1 and manslaughter--however you want to argue it, there's still a corpse.
I see dead people. Smiley: sly

Nothing compared to what you'll see in hell, mister.
#60 Feb 24 2006 at 6:20 PM Rating: Good
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Elderon the Wise wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
What you're arguing is the difference betwen murder 1 and manslaughter--however you want to argue it, there's still a corpse.
I see dead people. Smiley: sly

Nothing compared to what you'll see in hell, mister.
We are already there my dear, we are already there. *evil laugh*
#62 Feb 24 2006 at 6:54 PM Rating: Good
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I would ask myself what would Earl do?
#64 Feb 24 2006 at 7:49 PM Rating: Good
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Kronig wrote:
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Ehhh ... what do we have for our looser Alex.

DLP is supposed to be the best quality picture available.


Supposed to and watching movies/playing x-box's on both is a little different ...

Next Please!


Your link is a comparison of HP DLP Projector's and LCD Projectors, this was a Sony DLP and it was not impressive, very grainy. Kind of like watching the 10 year old projection tv's (using component cables as well)


Gonna add to this a bit. Kronig's right. That's a comparison of DLP and LCD projectors. Those are those boxes used in businesses to project images from a computer onto a screen so you can give a presentation. That has nothing to do with TVs at all, although I'll add that the tech for these has improved vastly in the last 5 years or so.

As to different types of TV screens, here's my take.

- Plasma screens offer the brightest images and the widest view angle of any flat(ish) screen technology. The biggest weakness they have is displaying blacks and dark greys. They're pretty much unmatched in color. They're also expensive though. The panels themselves cost a good chunk of change. However, the cost over area isn't that huge, so within a range of screen sizes, they're reasonable (typically best cost/size for 32-50" sizes).

- LCD screens are the cheapest overall, but get progressively more expensive the larger the screen. So much so that by the time you get into the 40"+ range, they're similar in cost to plasmas, but offer none of the brightness and rich color that plasma screens have. They do tend to last longer, consume less electricity, and run cooler though. They can have problems with washout due to ambient light conditions though (cause they're LCDs after all...).

- DLPs are a pretty good alternative. Very crisp picture. Scale very very well to the high screen sizes. By far the best bang for the buck in the 50"+ screen range. However, they're not true "flat panel" screens, since they're still basically rear projection technology (just not your father's rear projector!). So, you're going to have typically more like a foot of TV behind the screen instead of 4-6". That may or may not be a big deal to you (you can't hang a DLP on a wall though). DLPs have good color and light (very close to plasma in fact), and handle darks better then plasma. However, they don't have great viewing angles. Anything off about 45 degrees to one side or the other and you'll notice it. In contrast, you can view a plasma screen image clearly at pretty much any angle you can physically see the front of the screen itself.


I'd typically recommend an LCD screen if you're looking into a mid 30" screen size and want something cost effective. If you're going a bit bigger and have more cash to spend, you're really going to want to choose between DLP and plasma. That choice will be based on cost, viewing needs, and space. LCD screens may still be cheaper into the 40"+ range, but I'm of the opinion that if you're going to bother with a TV that size, you may as well shell out more money for something with higher quality.
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#65 Feb 25 2006 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
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Also I have to ask was this a drive through bank or something? Sounds a little odd to ask for a tube.
It's a canister actually. When you use a drive-through teller, there's a stand (cabinet? I don't know what term to use) with a plastic, tube-shaped canister in it. You deposit your items into said canister & put it back in the cabinet. The canister is sucked up, via vaccuum tube which sends it to the teller inside. They do their teller thing and shoot the canister with your receipt/money/whatever back to you via the same tube. Grab your receipt/money/whatever out of it & drive off.

As to the original situation, I would have a split second of guilty contemplation of yoinking the money, but would return it. $600 isn't going to make my life significantly better, but thinking I had $600 in my checking account that wasn't there could easily become $1200 in bounced check fees. That's a crappy thing to inflict on someone. Golden rule, baby. Golden rule.
#66 Feb 26 2006 at 10:50 PM Rating: Default
thievery is for me.
#67 Feb 26 2006 at 11:28 PM Rating: Decent
I believe that petty concepts such as morality are made up to make people feel better for themselves and superior to others.

That being said, I would not have taken the money because I also believe in Karma, which is kind of an oxymoron.

(no, seriously, having less than a 3.00 rating has really effected my life in a negative way... $400 phone bills, car accidents... breaking computers... actually, I think I would have taken the money.)

And to add even more confusion to my beliefs it is a dog eat dog world out there and as long as you benefit it doesn't matter how many people are hurt by your actions, you're doing what evolution meant for you to do.

edit:: thats three different viewpoints! The voices in my head can't stop arguing about what they would have done! Oh, woe is me!)

Edited, Sun Feb 26 23:32:07 2006 by Lilfrenchfry
#68 Feb 26 2006 at 11:46 PM Rating: Good
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Not being extremely business savvy here, I won't bother to take this to the depths Elderon has. From the morality standpoint you simply did the right thing. I know for myself that 600.00 would have been tainted money, I didn't earn it, sure as hell didn't win it. I found it, and mind you it was found on accident, but I knew how it got there. I commend ya for not pocketing it and turning a blind eye. You did a few things:

Spared someone from possibly losing their job,if the deposit was never registered, saved someone 600.00 that might of been a loan from a friend to help keep the electric on or keep the bank from repoing the car. We're all only a paycheck away from a chapter 7 or 13 in the end this day in age. Plus also this day in age with banks, they track things. The depositers could have come back, they could have pulled the camera on you (doing your boss's work) and watched you pop the cash right there and pull out like nothing happened. The bank wouldn't have taken the fall *if this was the case*, you could have.

Regarding the TV comments, I've been shopping around and quite frankly Plasma sucks, if your doing anything more than a few hours on it (gaming/leaving a DVD on) be prepared for burn in. Plasma has the worst burn in rate of any television, actually worse than the older style projection tube tvs.So if your playinh a game that has "anchored" displays (graphics that never leave the screen, life meters etc)those will easily burn into your screen after a few hours of play. It's now coming out also that numerous plasma's made in the past year or two and some even now are suffering total screen burnouts THAT ARE NOT being backed by the maker. Oh and also.. Sony is not a wise decision. Your simply paying for the 4 letter logo on the tv.

DLP right now is the best investment with the longest and most safe viewing with little to no worries. The only downside is that some people see a rainbow effect across the screen when it's viewed in natural lighting, (most stores don't let you view in that tye scenario so you'll never know till your home and it's setup and you've sunk the cash).LCD is not cost effective at this time if your looking for 40+ inch screens, LCD cannot still to this day display various shades of rich colored blacks,blues,greens without showing visibile blockiness. The monitors cannot keep up with whats being projected, gaming and HD programs suffer the worst on LCD's right now.

Edited, Sun Feb 26 23:48:52 2006 by Sindarek
#69 Feb 28 2006 at 10:25 PM Rating: Good
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Hehe. OP is boring and washed out, but this TV thing is more up my alley, especially in light of recent events.

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Regarding the TV comments, I've been shopping around and quite frankly Plasma sucks, if your doing anything more than a few hours on it (gaming/leaving a DVD on) be prepared for burn in. Plasma has the worst burn in rate of any television, actually worse than the older style projection tube tvs.So if your playinh a game that has "anchored" displays (graphics that never leave the screen, life meters etc)those will easily burn into your screen after a few hours of play. It's now coming out also that numerous plasma's made in the past year or two and some even now are suffering total screen burnouts THAT ARE NOT being backed by the maker. Oh and also.. Sony is not a wise decision. Your simply paying for the 4 letter logo on the tv.


Not true at all. I had (had! :( ) a 42" plasma screen TV for a bit over three years. In addition to normal viewing, I played a decent amount of video games on it (PS2 stuff like Xmen and Prince of Persia, both of which had anchored life/energy bars). They don't burn in in a "few hours of playing" They don't burn in at all (maybe the really cheap ones do. maybe). I spent many a full weekend night playing and after 3 years, that screen was as bright as the day I bought it and there were definately no burned in images to be seen.

In fact, the thing worked great, right until the day it made a loud clacking noise and stopped working. You are right about the companies ripping people off on the warranties though. Total screen failure (which I'd been warned about when I purchased it, and for which I shelled out a ridiculous amount of money for an extended warranty). They're currently trying to rip me on the replacement cost (they don't have replacements, and repairs are too expensive, so they just cut you a check). Without going into details, they're trying to pay me off with an amount only 500 bucks over the amount I paid for the freaking warranty! Sheesh.

That's not an issue with the technology itself though, only the policies of the covering company (GE in this case). Plasma screen TVs are by far the most bright and vibrant screen technology today. It's just darn expensive.

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DLP right now is the best investment with the longest and most safe viewing with little to no worries. The only downside is that some people see a rainbow effect across the screen when it's viewed in natural lighting, (most stores don't let you view in that tye scenario so you'll never know till your home and it's setup and you've sunk the cash).


That's also not totally true. While it is definately the best bang for buck if you're going for a big screen. DLPs can actually suffer more fade over time then other screen types. They don't suffer catastrophic failures like plasmas, but they do tend to fade gradually as the projection elements age. They're also *very* subject to the glass quality (plasmas are as well btw, so don't think this is specific to DLPs alone). Possibly moreso since it is a projection, so the glass functions like a lens. This can amplify the aging issue in ways that plasma screens dont (or at least not as much). That's actually where you get that rainbowing effect. It's bad glass in the screens, not correctly canceling the light refraction that all projection generates. Top end units wont have that problem, but since most folks going DLP are going for cost effectiveness, odds are they'll get the biggest screen in their price range, which usualy means they get one that looks great in the storeroom, but has some substandard problems that aren't immediately apparent.

And, as I mentioned above. DLPs are not true flat panel screens. They can't be wall mounted. And they have really poor viewing angles. These things may not matter, but they are issues to consider.


Also, in both cases, cost really is an indicator of quality. If there are two seemingly identical units, of the same size, with similar features, and one's 500 bucks more expensive, you can bet it's not a mistake. The more expensive one has been optics, better circuits and decoding chips, and will last longer, look better, and just generally be a better TV.


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LCD is not cost effective at this time if your looking for 40+ inch screens, LCD cannot still to this day display various shades of rich colored blacks,blues,greens without showing visibile blockiness. The monitors cannot keep up with whats being projected, gaming and HD programs suffer the worst on LCD's right now.



This is absolutely true (again). Of the three types, LCDs have the most problems scaling to larger sizes. And it's all about pixel blending and size adjusting. When you see LCDs in the storeroom, everything looks great. But that's largely because all large screen TVs have some issues with resolution issues. Each screen will have a fixed number of "physical" pixels and will use software/hardware to adjust to a different resolution. This is one reason why in many cases, and EDTV will look better for viewing DVDs then an HDTV (and will often look better when watching any non HDTV content in fact). This problem affects all larger screens but *really* affects LCDs. And that's largely because of the ability to blend pixels. Plasma screens have brighter pixels inherently, allowing them to blend pixels in mid resolutions better then LCD (assuming you have a decent set). DLPs are projection and can much more easily blend as well. LCD has a really hard time concealing the fact that it's adjusting from it's true resolution to display a different one.

In the showroom, they make sure that the source data displayed on the screen is correctly scaled to the screen it's displaying on. You wont notice the problem until you get it home and try viewing normal TV, digital TV, DVDs, and perhaps HDTV content. You'll suddenly realize that certain resolutions look really really crappy. And the larger the LCD screen the worse it looks.

The absolute worst thing to do is buy a really cheap large screen (40"+) LCD TV. They might seem cheaper (although as the size increases the price advantage for LCDs diminishes), but you really aren't getting a bargain at all...
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