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#1 Aug 04 2005 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/03/road.rage.ap/index.html wrote:
Thursday, August 4, 2005; Posted: 8:30 a.m. EDT (12:30 GMT)

BROCKTON, Massachusetts (AP) -- A man lifting his infant daughter out of his car was killed in an apparent case of road rage by a motorist "who obviously exploded" and shot him four times at close range in front of dozens of witnesses, authorities said.

The victim's 10-month-old girl was covered with blood but uninjured when police found her in a car seat on the floor of the vehicle.

Walter R. Bishop, 60, who was taking medication for depression, was arrested Tuesday and charged with first-degree murder in the death of 27-year-old Sandro Andrade. He pleaded innocent and was ordered held without bail; a hearing was scheduled for August 26.

Plymouth District Attorney Timothy J. Cruz said Bishop had made a calculated decision to "shoot a man in cold blood in broad daylight on the streets of Brockton."

Police Chief Paul Studenski described it as a case of road rage.

Bishop's attorney, Kevin Reddington, said Andrade had provoked his client during a traffic altercation.

"We have a homicide that resulted from a circumstance where somebody picked a fight with an individual who obviously exploded," Reddington said. Bishop, a former soldier and security guard, had recently begun taking two medications for depression, he said.

Bishop told investigators he was driving his wife to the train station when Andrade's vehicle backed toward him on Main Street, Cruz said. The two exchanged heated words.

"He said his wife was scared, and he said he was angry at that encounter," Cruz said of Bishop. "He said he made up his mind right there that he had to do something."

After dropping his wife off, he allegedly returned to the scene of the confrontation, pointed a handgun through an open window and fired, police said.

"Pop! Pop! Pop! Pop! Four shots. It sounded like a cap gun," Louis McPhee, the manager of a car wash across the street, told The Boston Globe. "The guy was lying there in his own blood with a hole in his head and his arm still on the baby."

Bishop left before police arrived, but witnesses gave investigators his license plate number and police found him at his home.

Police said Bishop has a valid handgun license.

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


It's legal to carry a handgun in Massachusetts when your on Anti-Depressants? How can this guy be pleading innocent? He drove back to the scene and then shot the man 4 times in front of a bunch of people? How can a person be cold blooded enough to shoot someone holding a baby?
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#2 Aug 04 2005 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
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It's legal to carry a handgun in Massachusetts when your on Anti-Depressants?


He probably wasn't when he applied for the permit I'd guess.

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How can this guy be pleading innocent?



Stand in front of the judge and say "I plead innocent"

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How can a person be cold blooded enough to shoot someone holding a baby?


It's the perfect crime to commit knowing that he can use the insanity plea to get out of it.




#3 Aug 04 2005 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Was about to say, the insanity plea might be the choice hes going to go.
#4 Aug 04 2005 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
That as[b][/b]shole should be hung by his ********* in a dark room that is heated to 120 degrees. That poor little girl has to grow up without a daddy now. Stupid Americans sicken me. Smiley: disappointed

Edited, Thu Aug 4 11:53:24 2005 by ElderonXI
#5 Aug 04 2005 at 10:58 AM Rating: Decent
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ElderonXI the Wise wrote:
That as[b][/b]shole should be hung by his ********* in a dark room that is heated to 120 degrees. That poor little girl has to grow up without a daddy now. Stupid Americans sicken me. Smiley: disappointed

Edited, Thu Aug 4 11:53:24 2005 by ElderonXI


The kid could also be adopted.

http://freejackson.ytmnd.com/ *Cough*
#6 Aug 04 2005 at 10:58 AM Rating: Decent
-1 Point to all those against the death penalty!. That is just sad.
#7 Aug 04 2005 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
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Stupid Americans sicken me.



Yup, things like that only happen here.

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Proroc, Eater of Souls wrote:
-1 Point to all those against the death penalty!. That is just sad.
-1 Point for all those against gun control!
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#9 Aug 04 2005 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
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Stupid Americans sicken me.



Yup, things like that only happen here.


You moran, did I say "All Americans are stupid and sicken me", or did I use an adjective to describe the type of Americans that I dislike? I have no problem with intellegent Americans, I just dislike stupid Americans.


Quit getting so butthurt and learn some reading comprehension.
#10 Aug 04 2005 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Proroc, Eater of Souls wrote:
-1 Point to all those against the death penalty!. That is just sad.
-1 Point for all those against gun control!


*Fires up a steven segal movie*
#11 Aug 04 2005 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
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You moran, did I say "All Americans are stupid and sicken me", or did I use an adjective to describe the type of Americans that I dislike? I have no problem with intellegent Americans, I just dislike stupid Americans.


If it was your intent to say that stupid people sicken you then why referance Americans?

Moran
#12 Aug 04 2005 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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You moran, did I say "All Americans are stupid and sicken me", or did I use an adjective to describe the type of Americans that I dislike? I have no problem with intellegent Americans, I just dislike stupid Americans.


If it was your intent to say that stupid people sicken you then why referance Americans?

Moran


Because the bottom-of-the-barrel stupid people seem to all live there! (mostly in the south Smiley: lol)

Ba-dum-ching!
#13 Aug 04 2005 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
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#14 Aug 04 2005 at 11:14 AM Rating: Decent
ElderonXI the Wise wrote:
AegisfangBattlehammer wrote:
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You moran, did I say "All Americans are stupid and sicken me", or did I use an adjective to describe the type of Americans that I dislike? I have no problem with intellegent Americans, I just dislike stupid Americans.


If it was your intent to say that stupid people sicken you then why referance Americans?

Moran


Because the bottom-of-the-barrel stupid people seem to all live there! (mostly in the south Smiley: lol)

Ba-dum-ching!


No that award goes to the Middle East, at least when an American kills someone they use a gun, knife, etc...

They don't strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up along with others.

#15 Aug 04 2005 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
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How can a person be cold blooded enough to shoot someone holding a baby?


The answer is rather quite simple: the person is not a person at all. He is a lizard. Smiley: smile
#16 Aug 04 2005 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
None of you know what really happened, so why get so emotional about this?

When it says that the guy backed up his vehicle towards that one guy you dont know what that means. Perhaps the guy who got shot was being a complete ******** and was using his vehicle in a forceful way against the other guy. I don;t know about you, but when someone uses their vehicle in a forceful and distressing manner, the car/truck instantly becomes a WEAPON and no longer a vehicle. For all you know, this guy was the Starbucks drinking SUV/Van driver who thinks he owns all of Gods creation and wasnt going to let a little thing like that guy in the car behind him sway his decision to back up.

Just because he had a kid in his car didnt make him any less of a ******** and they obviously BOTH had an altercation where words were exchanged. I'm sorry, but for all I know, I might actually be happy the poor sack of ***** is dead. But, that's just a fictional story I made up just for the sake of debate.

I say we all just chill out.
#17 Aug 04 2005 at 11:20 AM Rating: Default
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Because the bottom-of-the-barrel stupid people seem to all live there! (mostly in the south icon)


For the record, Massachusetts isn't really part of "The South."
#18 Aug 04 2005 at 11:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Wow Lefein, I see the light.

As long as the guy may have been extremely rude, it's perfectly reasonable for him to be shot 4 times, while holding a baby.

How silly of me to think it was unreasonable.
#19 Aug 04 2005 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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Lefein wrote:
None of you know what really happened, so why get so emotional about this?

When it says that the guy backed up his vehicle towards that one guy you dont know what that means. Perhaps the guy who got shot was being a complete ******** and was using his vehicle in a forceful way against the other guy. I don;t know about you, but when someone uses their vehicle in a forceful and distressing manner, the car/truck instantly becomes a WEAPON and no longer a vehicle. For all you know, this guy was the Starbucks drinking SUV/Van driver who thinks he owns all of Gods creation and wasnt going to let a little thing like that guy in the car behind him sway his decision to back up.

Just because he had a kid in his car didnt make him any less of a ******** and they obviously BOTH had an altercation where words were exchanged. I'm sorry, but for all I know, I might actually be happy the poor sack of ***** is dead. But, that's just a fictional story I made up just for the sake of debate.

I say we all just chill out.


right and so that makes it justifiable to drive back to where the situation occures, pull out a hand gun and shoot him not once, but 4 times in the head???? I call pure bulls[b][/b]hit. The man was not insane, he knew exactly what he was doing by going back to the scene after it had happened. Im guessing thats why its being charged under 1st degree murder. He had enough time to calm down, no one was hurt in the prior incident, yet he still thought it was a good idea to kill someone violently over a traffic incident.

Brockton is known for morans as it is but this tops the stupidity. I am wholly for capital punishment if this guy is convicted.
#20 Aug 04 2005 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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Master Chand wrote:
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How can a person be cold blooded enough to shoot someone holding a baby?


The answer is rather quite simple: the person is not a person at all. He is a lizard. Smiley: smile

+1 V!!!!
#21 Aug 04 2005 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
Oh, Im not defending any criminal activity on anyones behalf. In fact, it will probably be a good thing that both of them die. The kid won't grow up with a bad parent who picks fights with random strangers on the streets of America, and the nutjob who plugs people after-the-fact will also be plucked from the gene pool.

I vote for win-win situation.
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Lefein wrote:
None of you know what really happened, so why get so emotional about this? [...]
I say we all just chill out.
Good thing this is a web forum where we discuss this stuff to entertain ourselves and not a court of law, huh?
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#23 Aug 04 2005 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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Perhaps the guy who got shot was being a complete ******** and was using his vehicle in a forceful way against the other guy. I don;t know about you, but when someone uses their vehicle in a forceful and distressing manner, the car/truck instantly becomes a WEAPON and no longer a vehicle.


It's not self defense if you continue driving your wife to the train station. Then turn around go back and shoot him 4 times at close range.

Even if it was self defense, you do NOT SHOOT A MAN HOLDING A BABY.

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For all you know, this guy was the Starbucks drinking SUV/Van driver who thinks he owns all of Gods creation and wasnt going to let a little thing like that guy in the car behind him sway his decision to back up.


That makes it right to kill him? Are you serious? Your telling everyone else to chill out while advocating shooting a man for being arrogant, drinking overpriced coffee, and driving an SUV?
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#24 Aug 04 2005 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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None of you know what really happened, so why get so emotional about this?



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The kid won't grow up with a bad parent who picks fights with random strangers on the streets of America
#25 Aug 04 2005 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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Lefein wrote:
Oh, Im not defending any criminal activity on anyones behalf. In fact, it will probably be a good thing that both of them die. The kid won't grow up with a bad parent who picks fights with random strangers on the streets of America, and the nutjob who plugs people after-the-fact will also be plucked from the gene pool.

I vote for win-win situation.


First off, you not being from MA, from what Im reading into this story the guy who backed up did nothing compared to what is the norm and what Ive seen here for traffic crap. Road rage is a big thing here in Ma, it's well established. Ive watched cars tailgating and then cutting in front of the person, only to slam on their brakes on a highway. Its not right, its awful, its a trend the state police are trying very hard to crack down on and stop. But this guys "violoation" sounds to be fairly minimal or there would have been more detail to the story of what the guy did in his car.

Second, no matter how bad of a driver you come across, there is never ever any right to pull a gun and shoot the person!!!! EVER!!!!!! Whether or not he was holding a baby is moot. The man who shot the guy 4 times knew exactly what he was doing as he went back to the area. If it was so bad before the guy would not have left.
#26 Aug 04 2005 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
I am not defending the actions of either party involved.. As a relatively unconcerned and distant third party all I can say is the situation can potentially do far more good than harm.

Who knows, maybe people will actually pay attention to what happened here and mind their driving manners. Seems like a tall hope, seeing as how irreverence seems ingrained on the local consciousness when getting behind the controls of a multiton chunk of metal... But one can hope.
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