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Gbaji wrote:
Would it have killed you to just quote it yourself? You know, since you already had to go back and find the stupid post number in the first place?
Would it have killed you to just answer it the first time. I didn't have to go back, because I already referenced it before.
I did answer you. I have made the same argument that changes to police methodology will not erase the disparate rate at which blacks have negative interactions with police several times now. What you have not done is answer my question about what you think the cops can do to change their behavior that will fix this. Failing to do that and just repeating the same assertions that police bias/actions are to blame over and over isn't terribly helpful.
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Gbaji wrote:
The irony with this response is that you're accusing me of doing what BLM is doing: Assuming there's just one and only one solution (racist cops).
I literally said the opposite, so please reread and respond accordingly.
I'm reasonably certain that you have repeatedly claimed that the one problem to be solved is racist/biased cops. Are you saying that there's some other direction we should be looking in for a solution to the problem of black deaths at the hand of police? Because I'm pretty sure that that's been *my* position all along. So you are taking my side now? Yay! Progress at last.
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You act as if there is only one problem with a magical solution. You ignore the problems where black people aren't the root cause and only focus on the problems where black people are the root cause.
Again though, this is what BLM is doing (in reverse). They ignore the problems where police are not the root cause and only focus on the problems where the police *are* the root cause. As I said earlier, they start with the assumption of a cause (police bias), and proceed from there. I disagree with their starting assumption.
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You are literally disregarding what I'm saying and then complain when I reference posts refuting your claims.
I'm not disregarding anything you say. I'm reading it, responding to it, and rejecting it. And guess what? I have provided multiple arguments *why* I disagree with you on this. All you do is keep repeating the same assertion over and over.
I'll ask again: What changes do you think the police could make to their methodology which would change the relative rates of deaths by cops among blacks as compared to whites? Heck. Let me be even more specific. Let's look at the Michael Brown case. Please tell me what that officer could or should have done differently in that situation while still allowing him to actually enforce the law. Recall that Brown had, in fact, just committed a robbery. He did, in fact, have the stolen property in his freaking hands. Should the cop just have ignored him? Driven on by? And when assaulted by Brown, he should have just ignored the felony assault that occurred and let him go? And when Brown turned and charged him, he should have... what? Just let the 300 lb man beat the stuffing out of him?
Maybe only allow cops to have tasers? Sure. Except that people die from tasers as well. And when that happens, it's "they should have reasoned with him", or "they should have used some other means to restrain him". And when they use some other means (like say, attempting to pull him to the ground and handcuff him), and that results in a constricted airway and he dies, then what? "They should have tasered him instead" (Remember Eric Gardner?). How many times do we have to go around this maypole before we recognize that there is no perfect and safe way for the police to apprehend someone, and that some small percentage of apprehensions will result in serious injury and even death.
You want to reduce the rate at which black people suffer this result, the only and best way to do that is to reduce the rate at which black people are living in conditions that increase their odds of being apprehended. And that can only result from a broad improvement of the social condition of blacks in this country. I would assume you aren't opposed to this, right? So why the backlash against it? Deaths by police is the merest tip of the iceberg of the problem of black poverty. Why not focus on the actual problem instead of one of many symptoms of that problem?
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I would suspect that there's some political faction that actually wants to keep black people poor and angry for some reason. And thus, they prefer to use that anger for political ends rather than make any effort to fix the underlying problem. And sadly, far far too many blacks have bought into this narrative and actively join in the circus act (and national conventions) instead of waking the heck up and realizing that they're just being used. Change all the police procedures in the world, and blacks will still be getting the shortest end of the social stick and will still have a long long list of disadvantages that can be highlighted, complained about, and raised as yet another means of motivating them to continue voting for the very party that has created their impoverished conditions.
Of course, that would be crazy conspiracy talk. I'm sure there's nothing to it and you can just disregard the whole thing.