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#1 Aug 07 2005 at 10:21 PM Rating: Good
TO START OFF THIS ISN'T A SCAM FOR THOSE WHO THINK IT MIGHT BE

I Created a Ls for the Full Public to Attend Dynamis Runs. There are a lot of LS out there that do public runs, but Majority are private. This Ls is gonna be Full Public Dynamis Runs Paid for by the Public. Our First Run is Wednesday August 10th at 5pm PST Dynamis-Sandoria. Anyone who joins my Ls public runs contribute 30k for a pearl and perpetual hourglass. Everyon who joins has to put what Af2 they want in there Search Comment and can only lot on that Af2 if it drops. As for Currency and Items, no one may lot for it, Instead we will let them drop to whoever it randoms. Meaning everyone has a chance to get Dynamis Currency(aint that great :D) If the 100 currency should fall, guess what!, everyone gets to lot and gamble on winning! This is a chance for many to have fun in dynamis and get there Af2 and Currency. For those interested please gather ion South Sandoria at the time above. Hope to see you there!
#2 Aug 07 2005 at 11:37 PM Rating: Default
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You know.....

I'm not saying this is a scam, nor am I saying this sounds fishy....

Ok I am saying this sounds fishy. I don't know you... Give me one good reason why I should give you 30k to join an LS that benefits you just as much as it benifits me? I mean do we see anything from this 30k? and don't tell me, "Well yeah you get your AF2" cause then all I'll have to say is "Well yeah you get your AF2 as well plus a grip of cash>"

So tell me why is it that I or any one should trust you and pay you to help you get your AF2? I mean if you already have your AF2 then thats a differant thing but lets face it if you don't have your AF2 then basicaly what you are asking is for people to give you money to help you get your AF2.

Now granted they would be recieving thier AF2 (Maybe) as well but you'd still be profiting from getting people to help you get something you want. To me this seems a lot like charging for PL which EVERYONE knows means you are charging people to help you skill up healing. (but what if my healing is already capped? STFU! {/slap} lol)

So I guess what I am saying is {Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass} but umm I wish you luck and hope you make lots of gil getting people to help you get your AF2 (if that is indeed the case)
#3 Aug 08 2005 at 12:07 AM Rating: Good
Well if the 30k goes to cover the cost of the Hourglass what is the problem? The only problem I see is:
1. Do you have a puller that knows what to do?
2. You should see how many show up than divide the cost of the hourglass by the correct number of people going in.
3. What happens if 100 ppl show up?
#4 Aug 08 2005 at 2:03 AM Rating: Good
Im doing this because I dont think its fair to join a dynamis run that you pay maybe 10-30k and not get a chance at any of the currency. This is a chance for everyone to aquire dynamis currency and Af2. Also to save currency for relic weapon upgrades. I myself am interested in my Af2 and this is a way to have others get them aswell without having to search for a ls that does dynamis.

Edited, Tue Aug 9 03:03:09 2005 by Zeeromus
#5 Aug 08 2005 at 5:02 AM Rating: Default
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Hmm ok not a bad idea but their are some things you need to keep in mind in order for this to work.

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Anyone who joins my Ls public runs contribute 30k for a pearl and perpetual hourglass


Lol no im not laughing at this I'm just wondering who is going to pay the rest if say only 20 people show? If ya want some advice don't set a price till ya know how meny people you have then divide 1mil by the number of people their. Also what happenes after the run do you destroy the ls or just make sure everyone drops it?
Say you do get like someone posted 100 people that show up how are you going to pick who gets to go and who is left out? (Remember 64 is max for dynamis)

Next thing is ya if your going to pull off dynamis a smart puller and and a good sac puller will be needed for you to even make it past the first couple sets of mobs.

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As for Currency and Items, no one may lot for it, Instead we will let them drop to whoever it randoms. Meaning everyone has a chance to get Dynamis Currency(aint that great :D)


Umm i did dynamis with a couple ls before we started dynaangles and all but 1 ls i did it with used the auto drop for currency.

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Our First Run is Wednesday August 10th at 5pm PST Dynamis-Sandoria.


Make sure to check with other dynamis ls and make sure they dont have a run planed for this time.

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Im doing this because I dont think its fair to join a dynamis run that you pay maybe 10-30k and not get to lot on the currency. This is a chance for everyone to aquire dynamis currency and Af2. Also to save currency for relic weapon upgrades. I myself am interested in my Af2 and this is a way to have others get them aswell without having to search for a ls that does dynamis. 


LOL i'm sorry but now your changing what you said in the first post.

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As for Currency and Items, NO ONE MAY LOT FOR IT, Instead we will let them drop to whoever it randoms. Meaning everyone has a chance to get Dynamis Currency(aint that great :D)


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Im doing this because I dont think its fair to join a dynamis run that you pay maybe 10-30k and NOT GET TO LOT ON THE CURRENCY.


So what one is it can they lot or can they not?


It also seams to me that you have not thought this all the way through yet or maybe you have and just dont grasp the concept of dynamis ls's yet.

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I Created a Ls for the Full Public to Attend Dynamis Runs. There are a lot of LS out there that do public runs, but Majority are private.


Well you may have a point here but then again if you are in the market for a dynamis ls it's not all that hard to find one that will fit your needs. Maybe you havent looked for one or maybe you have but if so maybe you just havent looked hard enough.

Good luck with this public money maker I mean dynamis altho i don't think you will get to far with it.

Last thing is not something that you will like to hear but the reason a public dynamis hasent been made before is because you kind of need to have a good set group that works well together not just abunch of random people that change every week. (This is a must if you wish to win and advance onto the 2 with the best AF at least in my oppenion they have the best af)
#6 Aug 08 2005 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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I think it's a decent idea.

Obviously, I have never done a Dynamis due to my level. But, the day will come, and I wouldn't want to be the greenhorn on a Dynamis.

I would pay 30k just for the experience of going on one. It wouldn't matter if I died, didn't get a drop, or didn't get a dime.

Then, once I had the feel for them I wouldn't be apprehensive about petitioning a private Dynamis LS for membership.
#7 Aug 08 2005 at 1:42 PM Rating: Good
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Zeero, with all due respect, I think this isn't going to succeed unless you have some support for it. Advertising on this message board is not going to get you the publicity you need. Did you check the schedule on Bismarck to make sure you didn't conflict with already established linkshells?
Bismarck Dynamis Schedule

First of all, if you are running a public dynamis, then the hourglass price should be split between the number of people that show up. aka, 1 million gil divided by attendance. You need an initial million to purchase the hourglass first, then the people pay you back in order to attend.

Have you got a puller? Do you know how to pull San d'Oria? - That's the most important thing.

Jawas, as I typed this, I realized you already covered this. I'll post it anyway to reinforce that position.

Edited, Mon Aug 8 16:08:39 2005 by Clerico
#8 Aug 08 2005 at 2:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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lol i think the best response was mortimer's who seems to think the hourglass is free.

But yea, 30k is a nice estimate but you should definatley wait to see who shows.

A group of 30 can do it if they all know what they are doing, in fact you can do it with less. but for a pickup group you should consider 35+ people. Also as was mentioned you ened to secure 2 good pullers ahead of time and also get someoen who knows how to main assist.

These may be helpful: NOTE** this info was compiled by Xaetica of Intensity LS, i take no credit for it and am simply reposting it.

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http://dca.eleventeenth.com/ -> If you read just one thing, read this!
http://www.koolaid-ffxi.org/linkshell/spac...ynamis+Strategy
http://www.koolaid-ffxi.org/linkshell/spac...Bastok+Strategy
http://www.killingifrit.com/page.php?id=29...569e2bfaf7a6c16
http://mysterytour.web.infoseek.co.jp/ffxi...mis.htm#Dynamis
Japanese Site on Beaucedine


More to come as I find them. For those that do not know, map does not work when in dynamis, so it is helpful for certain jobs to have a printout of the city we are doing on hand.

There are several topics that must be understood when going into dynamics.

Pulling - Pulling in dynamis is not like exp or any other situation. Pulling involves sleepers and tanks to be aware of who we intend to fight. Sacrificing pulls are to be expected to lessen the number of mobs that will come to camp.

Tanking - Tanking in dynamis is more about keeping x number of mobs away from our mages. Most of the time the sleepers will accumulate a lot of hate over time.

Melee - There are mobs you want to melee, and there are those you don't under any condition. You will not decide this, it will be decided for you. There is an order to which jobs are killed first. And their is a small handful of jobs that must be killed first and asap. These tactics and more will be discuessed, but a preview of it can be found on Dyncamis Cat Attack web site.

Raising - Most dynamis LSes rotate R2 and R3 with no priority as to who gets what. If you are getting R1 it is because of an emergency or time constraint, but these are rare. A well executed dynamis run will have enough time to kill main boss and farm for 2/3 of the time.

Sub jobs - Some job's usefulness may depend on their sub. Subbing /drk for some is actually very useful for stunning certain attacks. Know your role in dynamis and the role of your sub.

Know your controls - It is very important that you have your filters set to the appropriate role of your job.

Lotting - the autolot in dynamis does not work the same as elsewhere. Just because something dropped last doesn't mean it will be autolotted last. As such when AF2 drops or other items that need to go to specific people, it must be understood before even trading the hourglass who will be lotting on what.

Cooperation - This above anything else here is the single most important aspect of dynamis and will determine the success of a run.

Fun - We are all here to have fun. So just do it.

All except the last three can be read in the links provided. Lotting will be discussed by the officers. Cooperation and fun is up to you all. We are all here to have fun, and having fun is completely interdependant on everyone else.

Read it all and take it in, the officers and veterans of Dynamis are ready to answer any questions.

I will update this as I have time and find other useful information.

#9 Aug 08 2005 at 2:55 PM Rating: Default
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XxMortimerxX wrote:
You know.....

I'm not saying this is a scam, nor am I saying this sounds fishy....

Ok I am saying this sounds fishy. I don't know you... Give me one good reason why I should give you 30k to join an LS that benefits you just as much as it benifits me? I mean do we see anything from this 30k? and don't tell me, "Well yeah you get your AF2" cause then all I'll have to say is "Well yeah you get your AF2 as well plus a grip of cash>"

So tell me why is it that I or any one should trust you and pay you to help you get your AF2? I mean if you already have your AF2 then thats a differant thing but lets face it if you don't have your AF2 then basicaly what you are asking is for people to give you money to help you get your AF2.

Now granted they would be recieving thier AF2 (Maybe) as well but you'd still be profiting from getting people to help you get something you want. To me this seems a lot like charging for PL which EVERYONE knows means you are charging people to help you skill up healing. (but what if my healing is already capped? STFU! {/slap} lol)

So I guess what I am saying is {Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass} but umm I wish you luck and hope you make lots of gil getting people to help you get your AF2 (if that is indeed the case)

You have to pay for the fu[/u]cking hourglass >.>

TheOneWildchild wrote:
Zeero wrote:

Im doing this because I dont think its fair to join a dynamis run that you pay maybe 10-30k and not get to lot on the currency. This is a chance for everyone to aquire dynamis currency and Af2. Also to save currency for relic weapon upgrades. I myself am interested in my Af2 and this is a way to have others get them aswell without having to search for a ls that does dynamis.


LOL i'm sorry but now your changing what you said in the first post.

No he's not, Zeero said the exact same thing in the first post:
Zeero's first post wrote:
As for Currency and Items, no one may lot for it, Instead we will let them drop to whoever it randoms. Meaning everyone has a chance to get Dynamis Currency(aint that great :D) If the 100 currency should fall, guess what!, everyone gets to lot and gamble on winning! This is a chance for many to have fun in dynamis and get there Af2 and Currency.


TheOneWildchild wrote:
Good luck with this public money maker I mean dynamis altho i don't think you will get to far with it.

How is this a moneymaker when he needs to drop 1mil to get an hourglass?

1,000,000 / 30,000 = 33.3, so he needs 34 people to be able to pay for it. If this is regular number of people for dynamis (TseTsuo you say 35+ for pickup) then Zeero doesn't really stand to gain any gil from this. I'm sure he'll adjust the amount of gil needed to pitch in for the hourglass depending on how many people are there.

Some of you guys need to stop being so close-minded, I think this could work. GL Zeero!
#10 Aug 08 2005 at 3:22 PM Rating: Default
Just have to hope some people show up on Wednesday. I already have a mil on me to buy a hourglass, should we not have enough people I am willing to compensate to a certain amount. As for checking with other Ls's on there dynamis runs,I planned this before IRONs site updated, If Iron wants to add this Ls to the List, the Ls name is <DynamisArmor>



Edited, Mon Aug 8 16:30:40 2005 by Zeeromus
#11 Aug 08 2005 at 7:15 PM Rating: Decent
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No he's not, Zeero said the exact same thing in the first post:


Maybe you should reread both posts.

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As for Currency and Items, NO ONE MAY LOT FOR IT, Instead we will let them drop to whoever it randoms. Meaning everyone has a chance to get Dynamis Currency(aint that great :D)
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Im doing this because I dont think its fair to join a dynamis run that you pay maybe 10-30k and NOT GET TO LOT ON THE CURRENCY.
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Some of you guys need to stop being so close-minded, I think this could work. GL Zeero!


Once again ill tell you the same thing I have told other's you call me closed minded that fine its your oppenion but maybe you should read every word rather then just skiming over a post and saying im wrong.

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How is this a moneymaker when he needs to drop 1mil to get an hourglass?


Well les do the math. Lets say this thing ges over and its a full house thats 64 people as i stated before and im sure you have a calculator on your computer so add this up ok.

64 X 30,000 = 1,920,000

WOW look at that thats almost 1 mil more then the run should cost to do guess its not a money maker huh?

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Our First Run is Wednesday August 10th at 5pm PST Dynamis-Sandoria.
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Make sure to check with other dynamis ls and make sure they dont have a run planed for this time.


Ya did you even see me post this?

or how about this?

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Next thing is ya if your going to pull off dynamis a smart puller and and a good sac puller will be needed for you to even make it past the first couple sets of mobs.


Ya guess not since for some reason i disagreed with the idea of this do to the work that needs to be put into a dynamis run and the fact that a ever changing group of people tossed into a fire that is dynamis may have more then enough reason to have bad experiances in dynamis.

If you must skim over a post and say oh no i disagree you may want to read it all so you dont look stupid but if you wish to look like a fool then that is your deal not mine

In case you over looked this as well here it is again.

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Last thing is not something that you will like to hear but the reason a public dynamis hasent been made before is because you kind of need to have a good set group that works well together not just abunch of random people that change every week.


As mush as you wish to disagree with me here this is a FACT. If you look at dynamis windy I will almost bet you every dime I have or will ever have that you can not win this with a tossed together group. In fact their are dynamis ls that are damn fine at dynamis and they have trouble compleating windy.
#12 Aug 08 2005 at 7:35 PM Rating: Default
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Hi there. I'd like to state that I haven't skimmed over any post on this thread. I read them all fully, fyi.

I wanna respond to this part first, ya?

Wildchild wrote:
If you must skim over a post and say oh no i disagree you may want to read it all so you dont look stupid but if you wish to look like a fool then that is your deal not mine
If you must post and make false accusations you may want to use periods and correct capitalization so you dont look stupid but if you wish to look like a fool then that is your deal not mine

Kthx.

Wildchild wrote:
Well les do the math. Lets say this thing ges over and its a full house thats 64 people as i stated before and im sure you have a calculator on your computer so add this up ok.

64 X 30,000 = 1,920,000

WOW look at that thats almost 1 mil more then the run should cost to do guess its not a money maker huh?

And how often do you get the FULL 64 people in a dynamis? Not that often.

To use your own words on this once again: "Once again ill tell you the same thing I have told other's you call me closed minded that fine its your oppenion but maybe you should read every word rather then just skiming over a post and saying im wrong." When I just said:
Kaiko wrote:
I'm sure he'll adjust the amount of gil needed to pitch in for the hourglass depending on how many people are there.


Wildchild wrote:


Wildchild wrote:
Zeero wrote:
Our First Run is Wednesday August 10th at 5pm PST Dynamis-Sandoria.


Make sure to check with other dynamis ls and make sure they dont have a run planed for this time.




Ya did you even see me post this?

or how about this?


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Next thing is ya if your going to pull off dynamis a smart puller and and a good sac puller will be needed for you to even make it past the first couple sets of mobs.



Ya guess not since for some reason i disagreed with the idea of this do to the work that needs to be put into a dynamis run and the fact that a ever changing group of people tossed into a fire that is dynamis may have more then enough reason to have bad experiances in dynamis.

If you must skim over a post and say oh no i disagree you may want to read it all so you dont look stupid but if you wish to look like a fool then that is your deal not mine

In case you over looked this as well here it is again.


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Last thing is not something that you will like to hear but the reason a public dynamis hasent been made before is because you kind of need to have a good set group that works well together not just abunch of random people that change every week.


As mush as you wish to disagree with me here this is a FACT.

Please point out to me where I disagreed or even COMMENTED on any of this in my previous post. Please, 500k gil is yours if you can find it.

I'm not going to respond, or even read any of your next posts. It does nothing but hurt my eyes, what with the no punctuation and all.
#13 Aug 08 2005 at 8:09 PM Rating: Decent
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And how often do you get the FULL 64 people in a dynamis? Not that often.



Sorry to bust your bubble but if you dont think you get 64people much then your sadly mistaken.
I help run a dynamis ls maybe you have heard of it DynaAngles? Anyway thats not the point my point is we are at max compasity every time we enter dynamis maybe it's just because we know what we are doing and people like to come with maybe not but I know we are not full because we are the popular people on the server that is by far not true.

Yes you can win with 35 people hell we have even done it with 30 but you have to have team work for it to work not random i wana join blind invites.

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what with the no punctuation and all.


I'm so sorry, I forgot that I was in school and you were my teacher.


Zeero good luck, If this dont work out for you I'm sure we can fit ya in with us.
#14 Aug 08 2005 at 10:05 PM Rating: Good
oh burn burn lol damn that was entertaining to read.
#15 Aug 08 2005 at 10:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Pickup Dynamis shells, while a good idea, pretty much don't work without a core of 10-20 people that show up to every event. You need a very good puller, you need a leader that has done every Dynamis and knows the strategies, and you need good lotting rules, or people won't come back.

That being said; Wild, who are you to talk about a Dynamis shell? Last I heard you used one piece of 100 currency to fund a free event, not the 2-3 that it would normally fund. And yes, I would know. I was in DynaAngels, and so is my brother. Hellriser and other leaders have sure been getting some nice equip recently; I wonder how?

(In case anyone is wondering on my math, 100 pieces are 2-3 million, an hourglass is 1 million.)

Edited because I can't spell "up". T_T

Edited, Mon Aug 8 23:33:12 2005 by Theophany
#16 Aug 08 2005 at 11:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Theophany wrote:
Pickup Dynamis shells, while a good idea, pretty much don't work without a core of 10-20 people that show up to every event. You need a very good puller, you need a leader that has done every Dynamis and knows the strategies, and you need good lotting rules, or people won't come back.

That being said; Wild, who are you to talk about a Dynamis shell? Last I heard you used one piece of 100 currency to fund a free event, not the 2-3 that it would normally fund. And yes, I would know. I was in DynaAngels, and so is my brother. Hellriser and other leaders have sure been getting some nice equip recently; I wonder how?

(In case anyone is wondering on my math, 100 pieces are 2-3 million, an hourglass is 1 million.)

Edited because I can't spell "up". T_T

Edited, Mon Aug 8 23:33:12 2005 by Theophany


Ya we do use the 100 piece to fund 1 run and maybe you dont know or just dont care to read the rule's.
First off the reason we use the 100 bill to fund one run is because if it drops we sell it to anyone in the ls that may need it for relic upgrades. Yes this means even you Theophany if you want the 100 bil then all you have to do is stick around a fue min after the run and do a /random the player with the highest lot can buy the 100 bil for a flat rate of 1 mil.

Well considering the fact that hell and a couple other members have got some good gear lately could have nothing to do with the fact that maybe they buy the 100 bill for 1mil and then sell it for the 2-3 mil your talking about? If you want it cough up the 1 mil and buy the bill man its that simple.



Edited, Tue Aug 9 00:17:38 2005 by TheOneWildchild
#17 Aug 09 2005 at 12:49 AM Rating: Decent
oh oh i know why they have gotten better gear lately but im not telling and wild still is the man.
#18 Aug 09 2005 at 8:08 AM Rating: Good
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(In case anyone is wondering on my math, 100 pieces are 2-3 million, an hourglass is 1 million.)


2-3 million, which IMO is highly over priced, is usually what is charged to outside people, ie ones not in the LS.

Most LS', at least i hope, offer items like this to their memebers/friends at lower prices like 1 million because they need them. I guess i am not speaking for everyone, only our shell, we tend to sell @15k per currency to people outside the LS and 10k per to members/friends.

except to johnb :)
#19 Aug 09 2005 at 9:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Thank god for linkshells that sell only to people who are upgrading weapons.
#20 Aug 09 2005 at 2:41 PM Rating: Decent
Wow, some of you all should be ashamed. Zeero is only trying to help some people out like myself, who would possible never have chance to get my AF in dynamis, if it weren't for this offer. 30k gil, omfg freak out, thats not much... so quit ********* Yeh it's a little bumpy the plan, but little things can be worked out. That's the problem with this game, someone tries to help others out, and everyone is in it so much for themselves, they bite others' heads off and never even give them a chance. Zeero, challenge all the haters to Ballista lmao! Get some revenge! JK, but i'm in, i think its a wonderful idea, and the chance to get my AF and be able to lot on items w/o having been in the ls for 6 months, is EXCELLENT. I'm not taking anyone's side, just lighten up on him. He's only trying to be polite and help out the struggling ppl like myself who could use it. I got your back Zeero ><
#21 Aug 09 2005 at 3:10 PM Rating: Default
thanks, but you could only lot on the Af2 that you place in your search comment and the job that your want has to be at least 65+ and currency and items we let drop to whoever. Only thing that everyone can lot on, besides there Af2, is the 100 currency should it drop, and only that currency.

Edited, Tue Aug 9 16:09:53 2005 by Zeeromus
#22 Aug 09 2005 at 7:35 PM Rating: Default
*****UPDATE*****

SO far ive heard a lot of tells from people who are interested in this. Gather time is 4pm Pst(7pm est) and we'll try and start the run by 5pm pst(8pm est)
#23 Aug 10 2005 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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A group of 30 can do it if they all know what they are doing, in fact you can do it with less. but for a pickup group you should consider 35+ people. Also as was mentioned you ened to secure 2 good pullers ahead of time and also get someoen who knows how to main assist.

wednesday my ls did a private diamond only run and beat sandoria with only 23 people D: we only had 3 blackmages too.

anyway zeero, good luck, thats all i can really say to you.
#24 Aug 10 2005 at 2:52 PM Rating: Default
Thanks , hope enough show up today
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