Anyone else scared by this generation of players?Follow

So, after taking RDM to 65, i decided it was time for a change of pace and began leveling RNG. upon reaching my 40s, i am discovering a frightening trend of players doing things totally half assed. I am talking about RDMs that don't refresh, or pull out their swords and start meleeing when WHM is out of MP and we need them to heal, or level 12 NIN sub when main job is level 45+. seeing RNGs in their 40s also using level 17 beetle arrows to exp with as well. now, i don't know about the rest of bismarck, but i find this very disturbing. has anyone else had experiences like this?

I can agree, but do not worry too much. I mean, once those players who don't do their jobs get into a tough spot and don't get invites, less of a problem.

On one hand, the 40s is still low enough, in my opinion, to let a lot slide...especially in the case of red mages. The whole job turns on its head at lvl 41, and acceptable play style at 39 just isn't any good anymore.
Refresh and not letting the tank die is kind of obvious though, so I don't know.

On the other hand the two examples you use, RDM and RNG, are in-demand jobs; people will get away with crap in these jobs that they shouldn't, because they're 'needed' in the party.
And if they can get away with it, they will, because they know they can still get parties carrying the AF sword and wearing Cuir gear, or using Beetle Arrows and a Self Bow or something. There isn't a way to check gear before inviting, which is probably a good thing if you ask me <.<

They'll probably get weeded out through the Kuftal Tunnel levels though, when making a dent in those Robber Crabs becomes an issue. ; ;

I think you guys are overreacting.

I've level many jobs in the past, two to 70+ and a bunch to 30+. I have seen my share of both good and bad players.

What I noticed is that as I am becoming more experienced, I have easier time spot short comings of other players. I think what is happening is that you guys are better at spotting bad gaming techniques.

Bad players are bad players period. They don't come in waves or preset pattern. Experienced players like you guys are just more aware of the bad techniques.

Yesterday I pt with a blm name Chicken I asked him if he has erase but he told me he doesnt has it and he has underlevel whm sub what a gimp player I cant stand them

Well said!

NOT GUILTY!!! well mostly.


Oh, since we are on the rant here I would love to add this.

RDM/RNG

like who the **** do these asshats think they are? I have had the displeasure of goruping with one of these indiviuals...only one in existance that I know of level 68ish...
I couldnt believe it, they would only refresh themselves and their friend (PLD tank) who they always grouped with. They wouldnt debuff becuase she said it would never stick anyway.. 0o

She also wouldnt help heal and was scared to convert mid-fight when needed most.

And they thought they were doing good dmg meleeing with their mighty /rng....I don't think they ever built up enough tp for 1 sidewinder...

Delite 68 RDM/RNG they travel with Gutseo (PLD). Guteso isn't bad at all don't get me wrong but I will never accept another invite from him. I did twice, and the second time i insisted that RDM change SJ, he said he will make her, so she went /anon and 20 mins later whipped out the bow and arrows.... /sigh

Sry strayed a bit off there, perhaps I shoulda put the last of that rant in the Bad Players Thread.

Edited, Thu Jun 16 12:00:06 2005 by Qinnydar

Most of us that started playing in the early NA released were blessed with NA players that were willing to learn, not saying those leveling arent. But we also had good JPN players that were leaving SJs and 2nd-3rd jobs as well. I have seen the those awesome JPN parties gone. When I leveled my warrior to 75 to couple months ago, I did it in mostly a LS party but at times we had to invite a random person. This was sometimes a good experience but mostly if the person was doing something incorrectly and if we tried to help we got I know my job and if you dont like it I will leave. So yeah there will be always be bad players out there, all you can do is try to help them out, but if they dont want advice than nothing more you can do.

One thing I noticed, I took over an account for an ex-LS member, and I went to Dunes to level the WHM SJ for the account, and I sat there LFG for a really long time. WHM LFG? SO I took a look around and found that just about every PT was 6 DD with an outside PL. I really blame this on why SOME people dont seem to know their jobs. Cause if you send most of early levels with an outside healer tanking as you beat crap down, than what did you learn from it? People dont understand the value of how to play in a Party when they havent had to deal with a proper party and are use to getting free 300 exp chains cause someone outside the party is doing all the work.

I have to say that my best BLM afk story happened just recently. Our BLM had been doing ok for most of the pt, then he suddenly started medding for the first 25 percent of fights (with full MP), missing every MB, and generally doing a horrible job. So I ask him if he's having problems seeing the SC or something (the melee didn't have a /p warning macroed in, so I could picture him not being able to see when it was happening if he had certain filters on).

But no, as it turned out, a movie he liked had come on and he was spending more time watching that than nuking.

Edited, Thu Jun 16 14:08:57 2005 by Vimesrdm

I do think some people need to get over only letting people play a job 1 way. Deltie is a friend and plays the game for fun. She got tried of rdm/blm, so plays rdm/ranger. She isn't the least bit selfish so refusing to refresh people doesn't seem likely. It might not be as useful to the pty as rdm/blm, but just don't play with her over ******** about her.

It is just like everyone wanting a ninja tank at 72+ even though your in over crowded sky and a whm mp never leads to lack of exp with a pld tank. I've never had a pty wait on the whm mp to pull when leveling in sky. But someone said ninja tank is better, so everyone grabs a ninja or worse no tank at all. Even though DD have to hold back on DD more with a ninja over a pld. Yes, I'm bitter about lfg for 30 hours+ per pty invite for a pty. I'm less wanted then a drg now.


I probably pl people more then anyone. Ok, I know for 100% fact I do. I've pled more then 1 job 1-37, actually done it 4 times. All pl does is lets people constantly pull. This game isn't that hard, it doesn't take much skill to play it. I also found that people that claim to hate pl change fast when they are in the pled pty. I only remember 1 person ever leaving a pty I pled because they didn't like pl. I've been ******* at for ruining the game by people in other ptys who later joined the pty I was pling and now had no problem with it. The only thing I think is bad about pl is it makes it unfair for the other ptys that are competing for pulls. I've pled pty in kazham where my pty pulled 3 onions at a time, because I could pull hate and they could kill them 1 at a time then the other ptys were getting crap exp from it.

Yeah, I'm on my 4th job going into the 30s tonight (PLD, WAR, THF, and now DRG) and I've been seeing a declining amount of ability each time I go through the Dunes and Jungles. Again, like many, I'd have to say that a large cause of this is due to the overPLing of many new players, I don't mind if it's with a group of experience people who know how to play their job well and just want out of dunes (believe me, I've done it at least once) but I feel that people who don't know so well need to learn, and aren't. Thus when they hit the Jungles and the PLs become less availible they're kinda clueless as to why their EXP is so low and everyone in the party is feeling pretty beat up... The thought of EXP chains, links that *can* and *will* kill you (Gobby pops...love them Smithys) they're not prepared for. Though I have found many great partys as well, with people leveling some of their 2nd or 3rd jobs. Found one with a great summoner and bard who were leveling together, and I ended up getting a 2nd invite to another PT they made because they had a chance to fight with me before and I was ending up doing like 50% of the mobs hp in damage every fight (<3 Daggerot's Fenrir ;)
Anyway, I feel there is a good mix of people, and when a lot of them start to get yelled at by a lot of people things may change in them, happened with my Warrior tank the other day. It started out as "just voke already GDit!" then it turned into "ok, good job keeping hate" because he eventually wanted to learn how to do it correctly because he realized he wasn't doing very well.

Anyway, I'm hoping things just start to improve with the subs and all, just try to teach your less experienced members instead of yell incomprehensibly at them, they may not know a lot of the terms people use (NM, Aggro, Link, omgwtfbbq you noob, etc...) so just try to help em out as they go. That's how I learned so quickly.

~Ram

The other day we were partying in the Jungle. I was on RNG and a friend of mine was on SMN and we invited this blm to come and party with us. The first few mobs were rough as we had to party in an unsafe camp but we scrapped through (mostly because ranger is just retarded at these levels). The thing that kept happening though was this BLM was just nuking and nuking and nuking and nearly died several times.

So, when our Ninja left suddenly we took some time out to teach the BLM how to tone it down a little, and more importantly, how to magic burst. I was sort of rough with my explaining as I was pulling in some fierce competition but the SMN took the time to talk him through it in tells and explain how BLM works.

We partied for about 4 or 5 hours that night and got some really nice XP. Nothing fancy, but it was still fun. What's more fun is, the BLM really got to understand how to MB, how his equip works, and a variety of other things. He was really eager to learn once we got past our "OMGWTFNOOB mentality" and just talked to him rationally.

The one thing that has always frustrated me about this game is the frightening amount of fierce individuality a lot of American players seem to have. It's fine that you want to run around in RDM/RNG mode when you're soloing; however, this is a game about groups and people working at their best, together. Unnessecary subjobs and unnessecary attitude about it just hinder progress of all players and add unneeded stress to people who want you for job, but don't want to deal with the individualism that just isn't logical.

I remember this.... I was so stoked when you got leader. Even funnier when he kept pushing you after warning.Friggin ppl never learn.... there is no reason to be an *** in this game. Remember the mnk we had and all his wise advice! Two great things came out of that pt...Friendships with you and Sioux. It was an honor and a blast to pt with the both of you, and I got to show off my mnk tankin skills. Thats right ppl-Monk tank!!!!!!!!


Edited, Sat Jun 18 04:11:15 2005 by xAlkix