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Oh Brownduck, you need to stay focused on this argument and this thread and not flail around and talk about a bunch of other stuff. Essentially you decided not to discuss your POV and decided to discuss me as a person. Now, if you said something like "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound condescending" or just said, okay, then this is my POV on this topic, you'd have alot more credibility.

I am focused.. on your hypocrisy. Just agree that you're being hypocritical and you can return to the original argument.



******* right!

It is hypocrisy, because you do it all the time. You're arbitrarily limiting your ultimatum to this thread because you know evidence is plentiful elsewhere. You're a hypocrite, Anna.

As for the original argument, my opinion remains that the majority of welfare recipients are undeserving. I'd even go so far as to say that the majority who deserve it don't get it. You can spin that in your twisted little mind all you want.

If you knew anything about formal debating you'd know that's irrelevant. Just beacuse Hitler breathes air, it doesn't mean we're all *****. Just because a criminal says stealing is wrong doesn't mean it's wrong. Anna is right, you should argue the point if you want an actual debate. What makes it more amusing is that her alleged hypocrisy isn't even in this thread.

I know being pointlessly stubborn is your schtick, but come on. Either admit you're not really after a debate or stop trying to divert the argument.

After reading all of this all I can say is....wow.

Here in LOLSouthDakota if you are Native American, have kids or a vag the system will do almost anything for you.

If you are a white male, you are pretty much *******

Bad economy? Tough ****. Work full time for a **** wage? Tough ****. Lucky enough to get a pittance in food stamps but decided to take a few college courses while you work full time to make yourself a better citizen and improve your lot? Well we'll just take those food stamps, then you goddam moocher!!!




tl;dr : The whole system is ****** and needs to be redone from the ground up.

It's not the same at all.The difference is power--both individual and cultural as well as how it impacts us as individuals. The reality is that the CEO's actions affect millions in the US--where he is the beneficiary of a system that has increasingly made him rich at the costs of his employees and in the larger sense, in terms of harming the economy for the middle class. When he bilks the system, it affects me. It also affects our democratic system since with the system of lobbyists and special interests, corporations have bought their way into government, influencing policies and as a result, things have become deregulated--and as a result, the collective wealth of the middle 60% has fallen sharply since 1980.

A mom who "forces her children to live on Ramen noodles and government cheese" may have personal issues but her choices don't affect my quality of life. Neither does she have access to cultural power and a voice--she isn't influencing policy. Moreover, she is much more demonized-- and that demonization affects may other women who don't abuse the system. Women that I know--that I grew up with and that I knew because I worked in a damned grocery store who used their food stamps to buy food. The view and cultural capital of a poor single mother is much less than a CEO , even though the CEOs impact is much more profound.

It's hard to be a Brownduck in a white duck's world.

You know the story of the ugly duckling? It was me.

Kavekk, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Destroyed.

Good night.

Haha, BD there are no Blacks folk in South Dakota!!

Ok, there are, like, 1 or 2.......

I guess I'll jump in on this discussion, since I deal with this crap first hand every day.

Yes, the system gets abused, but this varies from state to state as the rules for qualifying for gov't services also vary from state to state.

However, as Anna points out, demonizing the "lazy poor" or "generational welfare families" helps no one and solves nothing. In every strata of our wonderful country we will find people who lie, cheat and steal. When they are poor and do these things on our tax dollars they are pulverized by society.

When they are wealthy and do these things on ou tax dollars we just think they are "savvy businessmen" because society generaly does not see the fraud, waste and abuse. I ******* guarantee you that businesses that deal with the gov't waste many multiples of the amount of money "wasted" on the poor, even including the legitimate users of the social welfare system.

As was recently pointed out in the news, if the amount of money that went to "rebuild Iraq" in just the last 12 months and is simply unaccounted for now (that's STOLEN, BTW) was distributed to the citizens of America, every man woman and child would receive 147,000 $US.

The average wage here is barely $7 per hour. The avreage 1 BR apartment is $550 month (at least). Figure food and insurance for the car and you will see rather quickly that it is easy to be fully employed and poor.


I should mention at this point that most of the guys who live here at the homeless shelter work full time and simply cant afford to rent anywhere.

How about because it is a distraction, created so you gnash your teeth and howl at the theft of a penny, while someone else silently makes off with a dollar?

It's a triage situation.