I know some of you here are professionals, you can't hide from me.
I'm looking for a sample of a "Personal Appearance Clause" in an employment contract. I've tried to look it up, but I can't find anything that covers this. (Possibly because it's a ****** up clause to add to a contract, but when you're in the Christian entertainment field, they ask for crap like this.)
Anyone have some secret website they go to for stuff like this? Ms. Gemini, perhaps?
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Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
I saw that one, but that's not exactly what I need.
I'm looking for some legalese that says you can't dress like a slob when out in public while working for this company.
Here's Washington University's clause out of their employee handbook:
http://aladdin.wustl.edu/medadmin/hr/handbook.nsf/e6a1abfbf64a41c6852562f3006eda10/594bb534172e420986256cde00510e9a?OpenDocument
As a last resort:
http://www.employeehandbookstore.com/
http://aladdin.wustl.edu/medadmin/hr/handbook.nsf/e6a1abfbf64a41c6852562f3006eda10/594bb534172e420986256cde00510e9a?OpenDocument
As a last resort:
http://www.employeehandbookstore.com/
Oooh, the one from WA U might be perfect, if I tweak it a little.
Thanks, Stubs!!
Thanks, Stubs!!
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I saw that one, but that's not exactly what I need.
I'm looking for some legalese that says you can't dress like a slob when out in public while working for this company.
I'm looking for some legalese that says you can't dress like a slob when out in public while working for this company.
Are we talking personal time?
Because that is as they say, unconstitutional. No company can dictate how you dress while not on company time.
Kaelesh wrote:
Are we talking personal time?
Because that is as they say, unconstitutional. No company can dictate how you dress while not on company time.
That's a whole 5-10 page debate in and of itself.
Not really. It's pretty cut and dry.
Kaelesh wrote:
Not really. It's pretty cut and dry.
I don't really see the debate. The only way I could see it being legit is if you signed some sort of statement, voluntarily of course, at the time of hire.
Says you, but it is not uncommon for people to get fired over say, dressing slutty in a bar, and then coming in to the office next day to find out several of the bar patrons are potential clients you have a meeting with that day.
Or for someone in politics to be "encouraged" to resign after being caught wearing a speedo and a baseball cap with racial slurs on it at the lake
Imagine the aftershocks of a Pepsi VIP caught walking down the street in a Coca-cola shirt and cap.
They can't tell you not to wear jeans, sure. But it's not "cut and dry" as you put it.
Or for someone in politics to be "encouraged" to resign after being caught wearing a speedo and a baseball cap with racial slurs on it at the lake
Imagine the aftershocks of a Pepsi VIP caught walking down the street in a Coca-cola shirt and cap.
They can't tell you not to wear jeans, sure. But it's not "cut and dry" as you put it.
Kaain the Irrelevant wrote:
The only way I could see it being legit is if you signed some sort of statement, voluntarily of course, at the time of hire.
Most decent jobs require you to sign a form that says something to the effect of "I have read and agree to abide by the <company name> employee handbook"
StubsOnAsura the Wise wrote:
Kaain the Irrelevant wrote:
The only way I could see it being legit is if you signed some sort of statement, voluntarily of course, at the time of hire.
Most decent jobs require you to sign a form that says something to the effect of "I have read and agree to abide by the <company name> employee handbook"
Well, if it mentions an after hours dress code somewhere in said book, then sure.
Rules is rules.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I'm looking for some legalese that says you can't dress like a slob when out in public while working for this company.
Ahh, like a dress code. Well yeah, I imagine you could rip that from nearly any corporate employee handbook.
And sort of related to the employer mandating what is and isn't suitable attire outside the workplace, my mom works for an employer who has recently banned smoking, even on your own time. Mind you, employees are still allowed to drink, eat whatever they please(and end up fat, like Stubs) and have unprotected sex, but smoking is a big no-no.
I say it's fascism.
Edited, Oct 11th 2007 11:26am by Barkingturtle
StubsOnAsura the Wise wrote:
Says you
Just admit you don't know **** about Employment Law and we can be done here.
Sorry, I have it easy. We all wear the same thing.
I need to get a job somewhere that has Topless Tuesdays.
Kaelesh wrote:
StubsOnAsura the Wise wrote:
Says you
Just admit you don't know sh*t about Employment Law and we can be done here.
And you have a degree in the matter? Common sense and a little experience go a long way.
Daboder da Basher wrote:
I need to get a job somewhere that has Topless Tuesdays.
I'm more a fan of Whip 'em Out Wednesdays.
Kaelesh wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I saw that one, but that's not exactly what I need.
I'm looking for some legalese that says you can't dress like a slob when out in public while working for this company.
I'm looking for some legalese that says you can't dress like a slob when out in public while working for this company.
Are we talking personal time?
Because that is as they say, unconstitutional. No company can dictate how you dress while not on company time.
I don't think it pertains to personal time, exactly... But with the bands going out on the road on tour, in other cities when they're out to dinner or in the hotel lobby. There's a grey area (in my opinion) about whether or not that's "personal time," but I just type the contract up. I don't have to understand it.
And, this being a Christian company, what they wear in public on personal time might be in question, considering that these people would be recognizable on their own since they are in a semi-popular band (in that genre, I personally had never heard of them).
Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
And sort of related to the employer mandating what is and isn't suitable attire outside the workplace, my mom works for an employer who has recently banned smoking, even on your own time. Mind you, employees are still allowed to drink, eat whatever they please(and end up fat, like Stubs) and have unprotected sex, but smoking is a big no-no.
You mean, like, in their own house? Or on their own time as in when on break?
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
And sort of related to the employer mandating what is and isn't suitable attire outside the workplace, my mom works for an employer who has recently banned smoking, even on your own time. Mind you, employees are still allowed to drink, eat whatever they please(and end up fat, like Stubs) and have unprotected sex, but smoking is a big no-no.
You mean, like, in their own house? Or on their own time as in when on break?
At home. Total smoking ban. No smokers employed.
That sort of thing.
Smokers are the new gays or fat people; it's totally okay to discrimnate against us. I am as opressed as that kechup guy.
Edited, Oct 11th 2007 11:31am by Barkingturtle
Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
And sort of related to the employer mandating what is and isn't suitable attire outside the workplace, my mom works for an employer who has recently banned smoking, even on your own time. Mind you, employees are still allowed to drink, eat whatever they please(and end up fat, like Stubs) and have unprotected sex, but smoking is a big no-no.
You mean, like, in their own house? Or on their own time as in when on break?
At home. Total smoking ban. No smokers employed.
That sort of thing.
Smokers are the new gays or fat people; it's totally okay to discrimnate against us. I am as opressed as that kechup guy.
Edited, Oct 11th 2007 11:31am by Barkingturtle
Yeeaaah. That's *********
Kaelesh wrote:
Not really. It's pretty cut and dry.
If you're at an event on the company's dime, but it is your personal time, your dress attire can be mandated to a degree.
Edited, Oct 11th 2007 3:38pm by Uglysasquatch
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
And if a company dress code suffices, here's ours:
Objective:
To outline the expectations for appropriate attire for the workplace, ensuring that all employees are consistently projecting a professional image of the Company.
Expectations:
Formal Business attire is appropriate for employees who regularly deal with external clients (i.e. corporate partners, clients, suppliers, the media, etc.).
For employees that interact primarily with internal clients, the appropriate dress is either business or business casual.
Business:
• A collared shirt (with tie for male employees), dress blouse or sweater
• A jacket or blazer
• Suit, dress slacks, skirts or dresses
• Dress shoes or dress sandals
Business Casual:
• A collared shirt, blouse or sweater
• Dress slacks, skirts or dresses
• Dress shoes or dress sandals
Appropriate Attire for Casual Friday:
Each Friday employees are permitted to participate in casual day. However, not all casual clothing is appropriate for the office. It is essential to avoid wearing anything to the office that is excessively worn, frayed, wrinkled, dirty or stained. Tattoos must be covered at all times.
Listed below is a general overview of some of the more common items that are not appropriate for the office.
 Slacks: sweatpants, tracksuits, casual shorts or short shorts, leggings, spandex or other form-fitting pants.
 Shirts: tank tops, muscle shirts, sweatshirts, halter-tops, tube tops, shirts that do not cover the midriff and t-shirts with discriminatory or offensive messages or images.
 Dresses and Skirts: Mini-skirts and spaghetti-strap or strapless dresses should not be worn to the office.
 Footwear: Sneakers, beach style flip-flops and slippers.
 Jewelry—Should be conservative with no visible body piercing other than pierced ears.
If you are not sure about an item, please inquire with Human Resources.
Objective:
To outline the expectations for appropriate attire for the workplace, ensuring that all employees are consistently projecting a professional image of the Company.
Expectations:
Formal Business attire is appropriate for employees who regularly deal with external clients (i.e. corporate partners, clients, suppliers, the media, etc.).
For employees that interact primarily with internal clients, the appropriate dress is either business or business casual.
Business:
• A collared shirt (with tie for male employees), dress blouse or sweater
• A jacket or blazer
• Suit, dress slacks, skirts or dresses
• Dress shoes or dress sandals
Business Casual:
• A collared shirt, blouse or sweater
• Dress slacks, skirts or dresses
• Dress shoes or dress sandals
Appropriate Attire for Casual Friday:
Each Friday employees are permitted to participate in casual day. However, not all casual clothing is appropriate for the office. It is essential to avoid wearing anything to the office that is excessively worn, frayed, wrinkled, dirty or stained. Tattoos must be covered at all times.
Listed below is a general overview of some of the more common items that are not appropriate for the office.
 Slacks: sweatpants, tracksuits, casual shorts or short shorts, leggings, spandex or other form-fitting pants.
 Shirts: tank tops, muscle shirts, sweatshirts, halter-tops, tube tops, shirts that do not cover the midriff and t-shirts with discriminatory or offensive messages or images.
 Dresses and Skirts: Mini-skirts and spaghetti-strap or strapless dresses should not be worn to the office.
 Footwear: Sneakers, beach style flip-flops and slippers.
 Jewelry—Should be conservative with no visible body piercing other than pierced ears.
If you are not sure about an item, please inquire with Human Resources.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Kaelesh wrote:
Not really. It's pretty cut and dry.
If you're at an event on the companies dime, but it is your personal time, your dress attire can be mandated to a degree.
A company event, on their dime, is still company time.
StubsOnAsura the Wise wrote:
Kaelesh wrote:
StubsOnAsura the Wise wrote:
Says you
Just admit you don't know sh*t about Employment Law and we can be done here.
And you have a degree in the matter? Common sense and a little experience go a long way.
No, my wife does.
And when does common sense matter to the law?
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