Are the Atheists or the Religious a bunch o' fools?Follow

ne1 of u who believe in god is just playing dumb. youe believe in god only because u cant explain why you were created. Does it matter why u were created? You are here, standing or sitting at your comp. It doesnt matter how u got there. It matters what u do from here, but not what happened b4 this.

The ancient mayans saw many things and couldnt explain them. Even the greeks. They "invented" so many gods, but there is as much evidence that these gods exist as your ""one true God" exists. but why doesnt anybody believe that zeus could smite u @ any moment with a lightning bolt? why doesnt anybody believe there are 12 gods sitting at a table?

last but not least, the bible says 2 things that are very conflicting: one; god controls your fate. two; u control your fate. most ppl believe in the first thing, considering that they DO NOT want things to be their fault. Its human instinct to pin the blame on somebidy else. But how long can you keep fooling yourself? Even if this "god" forgives u for everything and really does take the blame, no1 on earth cares. no1 on earth cares if u pray every night.

summary: give up on god, even if he was here, he gave up on u...

Waht a bunch of fatalistic nonsense.

Most people on this thread state the religion is a mere fairytale and that most religions just are organized to take peoples money. I am sadden by how many puppets there are out there. You state that religions only want us for money because that is what society tells you to think. You when turn on the news and you hear something in this regards, like sheep to the slaughter, you choose to believe and stereo type to what the media says, when in all actuallity they could be feeding you Garbage. And I am not just talking in terms of just religion in general, but all media in general. How many times do you turn on your local news and here about good things happening in your community. You don't.

And as far as religion being a fairy tale, Christianity and most other religions are based on the Bible. Historical evidence proves the accuracy of the Bible. If you think that the bible could be filled with lies and fantasy, then what about the history books that are written? Isn't it possible that they are all fabricated as well? So then in turn, how can you believe in anything that is around you? How can you believe that we had a Civil war hundereds of years ago. How can you know for sure that we are at war with Iraq without you being there. Even though you might now think so, you have faith that these things happened and are happening.

Sorry if I offended anyone. And if you guys are curious yes I am a Christian, and there is nothing that will waiver my faith. Read the Bible sometime, but not just the Bible, but other historical evidence that will back it up. I hope and pray that your eyes will be opened, as well as your hearts.

I hate to burst your bubble, child of god, but 90% of society believes in some fairy tale or another called religion. Non-believers, though large in number, still make up a minority of the population. Take a hard look in the mirror and ask yourself who is the one who's going along with "what society tells you to think".
Sigh. So not true I'm not even going into this.

On second thought, the post is just too silly for me to discuss.

I mean come on; how do we know the civil war happened (which was, by the way, only 140 years ago)?

The two concepts that you call contradictions are not really contradictions at all. Yes it is said that God is all knowing, and this would give the impression of predestination. First of all I would like to state what I am about to say is just a theory of mine because I believe that it would be impossible to understand the way God works. But instead of him knowing what is going to happen to you, he knows all the choices and decisions that you will confront and make in your life. So no matter what choice you make he knows the outcome. It predestination, he would already have a set plan for you, and no matter if you stayed home and did nothing, then it would happend. A perfect example is Jesus being tempted by Satan. Although the Son of God, he was still human and had the choice to abandon the salvation of man kind. But he chose to go through what he went through for us.

The second contradiction you state says that if God really loved us then why did he let it all happen? Well you have to admit that evening letting it all happen was a display of love. Even if he know that there was a great possibility that we would be tempted and disobey him, he still created us. And he always things in our lifes to happen because we have free will. How can you truly love someone if you do not have free will? God would be in control of puppets if he did not give us choices, and thats not what he wants.

I just thought I would give another point of view on this. Please I am not trying to offend anyone, or "force" my beliefs on any of you. I am just trying to enlighten on my beliefs. If I did offend anyone I apologize right now. Thank you for reading.

Yay, now if all christians would think like this. I'm glad christianity work for you and I'm always interested in a good interpretation of what someone else beleives.

A religion has got to be a great comfort in this ****** universe. You've got a nice set of beliefs that pretty much explains everything and promises everything's gonna be allright. In a way, I'm jealous of your average religious type. I really wish I could bring myself to believe in a higher power that actually cared about me. I probably wouldn't be nearly so cynical and when I was going through really bad periods I could have the comfort that my imaginary buddy jesus/allah/yahweh would take care of me.





That's funny, it's been my experience that society generally tells me to have faith and don't ask questions.




Just why exactly are we in need of salvation from? I've never quite gotten that whole 'you were all born wicked/flawed and need to follow these rules if you don't want to spend an eternity under torture' thing. That doesn't seem a good way to run a universe.
I find it quite odd that an omnipotent being has to follow any rules except those that it devises.

Not really trying to bash you beliefs there, that's a question that's been bugging me for the longest time and I've yet to have answered in a way that satisfies me.

Depends on the Christian denomination. Catholics are big into the idea, other demoninations or sects vary. Quite a few point out that OS isn't Biblicly supported and don't believe in it at all, holding the idea that children are born sinless and remain that way until they begin to mature. Jesus seems to go with this when he says that we must be like children to enter the Kingdom.

As for the rest of it, you mention something I've said before as well. I'm slightly amused by people who say "Well, this doesn't seem to make sense, so there can't be a God!" I'm not saying there is (or isn't) a God but, if there is, I'd put money on the fact that you nor I would be able to comprehend an eternal, omnipotent and omniscient being with our puny mortal brains. When we can explain every physical event in our universe, I'll take our inability to explain the metaphysical as proof of something

Kelvyquayo the Furtive Scholar, I would have to say that I am quite impressed. But the earlier post is correct about Original Sin. There is proof in the Bible when Jesus and his Disciples come to a blind man and the Disciples ask Jesus who has sinned to cause this man to be blind, himself or his parents. He answeres niether. I don't think he was saying that they were without sin, but that he was born this way because as he states he will be an example of the power and glory of God.

And as for the question about God having rules and stuff of that nature, he sets them up so that we have choices. We wants us to draw close to him, but he does not want to force us to do it. He says that we need him, but he wants us to decide whether we go to him or not, and we suffer the consquences of our actions. Its like wanting someone to love you. You want them to love you, but you don't want to force them to because then it becomes more of a love because I have to thing than a love because I love you thing.

Also would like to mention something that I heard someone tell me the other day that shocked me, but I believe it is true. The biggest cause of atheism (spelling?) is Christians. I think that this is a true statement because people expect Christians to be better and good people. But when you see the way they live their lives, they are turned off by it. I can tell you that I am not a prime example of a Christian myself, and even though I know we should be better, people need to understand that we are just humans and we make are mistakes as well. Same goes for people in other religions as well.

Again as I stated, not trying to force anything on anyone...I am just trying to give you a Christian's point of view. Thanks again for reading my post!

Such as, say, if God was one of us? Just a slob like one of us?

god, I hate that song

hey! who the hell is stronger god or satan? cuss if god was stronger, coulddnt he just kick satans a$$? and then bye bye evil right?

and wuts this bullsh*t that we were dumb when we were created? the bible says quote-(this is long)

" And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. 18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. 20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. 21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. 23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. 25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. 8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. 9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? 10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. 11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. 13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. 14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. 16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. 20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. 21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: "

it says that we have become like god, "one of us" and we have wisdom now. does that mean we didnt b4? how can u believe that humans were created as dumbsh*ts?

Ineresting view, comparing the old popes to Bin Laden though....

once again though, you're trying to blame problems institution of 'religion'.... when you should be breaking it down to the Source of the problem... MAN... Religion acan't help but reflect the views of those involved in it..

Religion is a mixture of 2 TOTALLY SEPERATE things:

Culture
and
Spirituality.


Culture being the way a GROUP of people do things... and Spirituality being a persons personal view of a higher power or force.. Everyones personal view is different pretty much.. but One person will usually dominate the herd and there ideas will trickle down into the ideas of everyone else.... suddenly they turn around and everyone's Ideas are Maigically the Same... ooooooh.. "must mean our ideas are the total Truth, follow them or die.. bla bla bla"...

Culture is usually where the trouble comes in anyway.
Your cultural tradition says.... "cover your face".. so people start integrating that into their spiritual beliefs.. suddenly , you're an outcast if you don't cover your face...

wahtever.. it's a bunch of Man Made Rules, concocted to control people... for Good or Ill.

If people Ever used common sense we wouldn't need rules anyway.... So is religion supposed to teach people common sense??? So if it does waht happens when everone Has it??? Do those Old rules still apply... or have they just become an out-moded tradition being blindy followed....

Answer me this:

Why don't you think that "God" created us already righteous and perfect? (thing is, there is a part of us that IS)

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