Are the Atheists or the Religious a bunch o' fools?Follow

If Tinkerbell is fading before my eyes, I'll applaud like a madwoman to save her.

she is fading before all of our eyes.


So, are you saying that this idea is the product of being a mush brained moron, or the fact that people don't understand this concept is?

If you can believe in some giant king in the sky and his son who came back from the dead and are really one being(??) who watches everything you do, gets all concerned about what you do and can make everything better when you die, more power to ya.


Once again everyone forgets the futility of trying to reason with someone about a subject that they are utterly convinved is the one true truth.

As near as I can figure, christianity serves 3 purposes:

1: Controlling people...don't do that, god hates it when you ________. god really wants you to ______. If you ______ you're going to this place where you're tortured for eternity after you die. You get the idea.


2: Making people feel better about the fact that they're eventually die and rot and there's not a damned thing you can do about it. Golly, if I've done what god wants, when I die I'm gonna go live in a perfect place that makes up for this ****** world I didn't ask to be born into.

3: Giving up responsibility. God's gonna take care of me...
God would want me to do this, it must be okay. I'm gonna pray and make everything better.


It's really quite childish when you think about it...this big father figure's gonna make everything better.

And what's all this crap about a kind, loving god? Where is he when some father is molesting his daughter or some jackass with a rifle goes on a shooting rampage at a crowded mall? Where was he during all the atrocities commited in his name? He certainley helped moses out but where was he when another group of people got enslaved (they even used his book to justify it) and taken from their homeland. In fact, nobody's heard from him since we nailed his son to a tree. Maybe we pissed him off and he hasn't been back since?

The idea that a being vast and powerful enough to have created an infinite universe actually caring about what some jumped up monkeys with opposable thumbs get up to one one little ball of rock and water in a universe that is so enourmous that your mind can't even comprehend it's scale is egocentric and laughable.


As you can tell I have a lot to say about christianity, though I've actually met some christians who managed to pick the good bits of the message out and live wby them. That's the one good thing I have to say about that religion... that whole thing about treating others as you would have them treat you. I really wish all people would try and live by that one simple rule. I think my biggest problem with it is the whole missionary thing and all the horrible acts that have been carried out through history. My view of the universe suits me quite well, and I have a complex code of conduct I try to adhere to. I don't go around trying to convedrt people and 'save their souls' (what and redeem them for valuable prizes?) I came upon my views after much study and I don't really appreciate it when someone trying to score browny points with a mythical figure and save me from a mythical place won't take I'm not interested for an answer and persists in arguing their point and generally getting on my nerves.


On to athiesm:

Something made all this, or at least three's some force that set everything in motion. We're just never gonna be able to comprehend it. I think it's something as simple as a will to form life that permeates the universe. I don't have nearly as much to say about that cause there's just isn't as much for me to object to.

That's just two points of view in a many sided issue. I'm sure I've pissed a bunch of people off but that's how I look at the world. I prolly wouldn't feel like slamming christianity so much if it hadn't been forced upon me so many times in the past. Fortunately I can think for myself and my parents left me to my own devices when it came to spirituality. I didn't grow up thinking any specific religion was the one true way and everyone else is wrong. There are good elements to most religions and I really wish everyone would just pick one that doesn't encourage killing people who don't agree with them, practice it, and leave everyone else to do their thing as long as thehy're not doing anything to someone against their will.

Trying to recreate my train of thought, will repost in a minute.

Edited, Tue May 25 17:39:13 2004 by xinaskin

Hope this is at least on par with the original post.




Well for starters your not an Atheist. By definition an atheist is someone who believes that there is no supreme being. As you clearly stated yourself, you are not sure what you believe. Which would make you an agnostic, a person who neither acknowledges or protests the existance of a supreme being. Just to round things up the Xinaskin definiton of a religous is someone who has faith in a supreme being(s).

secondly For arguments sake, which this thread dosn't really deserve. Both atheist and religous can be considered fools. It is foolish to think that you know the answer to an unexplainable question. It is also foolish to think that 90% of the world is crazy. However over 90% of the world used to beleive that the Earth was flat and that it was at the center of the Solar System.

Continuing on with rant, no one can force you to believe something. Espicially religous matters. They are a leap of Faith and are made on a personal level. If you don't decide to make this choice yourself than you do not have the faith it requires to be defined as a religous person.

/StandOnSoapBox on

For future referance please avoid post on such a delicate matter, or at least treat them with the respect that they deserve. Whether you are religous or not, pesonnaly I am not, you should never attempt to disgrace the beliefs of others. Even as an atheist you will never see me talking down a Religon. It is common decency, just as you will never see me log on and start a thread about how all (insert Ethnice group of choice)are the laziest things to ever walk the face of the earth.

/StandOnSoapBox off


Edited, Tue May 25 17:41:38 2004 by xinaskin

I was kind of wondering... if christanity was true and lets say a d, d, beatened, and lived a long brutal life and god apears and says welcome to heaven and the guy is supose to say "All is forgiven" if god existed why isn't the world drowning? Why is n't justice done? Maybe althrough I don't believe in christanity is that he dosen't (Almost like a test not forgeting) want to force good into the world or he can't do anything unless in very important times, or believes that the greatest punishment is simply to ignore. But you have to understand people are IMO never born as devils. I also have another question:

If god created everybody why are there evil people? God created them so unless he can't controll their goodness then why should they go to h*ll? If Saddam or was created like that and destined to be like that by god why should they go to hell? Should a man lets say in the future who was abused and now did evil because of the evil done to him or all the things that influenced him? Should a man be forgiven because of the world he lives in? Does god expects people to believe in him? Espicialy later. Why should people go to hell just because they were unsure or the world they lived in made it seem less and less possible for god? Please answer EVERY SINGLE ONE of them. Should a man be punished because of something he believes in? Should he be forced to believe in something just to asure eternal life?

FTFY

Err. Cant believe this. Sorry i have to apologize to the people who read the above posts. I left the webpage open when I left my GF's house. My GF, decided to voice her opinion through the option of my acct rather than making one of her own. I was actually enjoying the flamming this guy was generating. Oh well, I am getting it settled now. I wouldnt have even known, since I'm never in this forum had I not seen her typing the post that im editing right now.
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GF is threatening me with couch if i delete her post. So I guess they stay.



Edited, Tue May 25 20:52:33 2004 by xinaskin

Let it stay, by all means. You could edit it to add "This opinion was brought to you by my girlfriend and does not necessarily represent the opinion of this Allakhazam's account holder"

Anyone is welcome to post, though that doesn't insure people won't vehemently disagree with you.

Biblical geneologies almost never mention daughters, especially by name. They just weren't important to list. Genesis not mentioning them would be consistant with the rest of the Old Testament. It does say in Genesis 5 that Adam had "other sons and daughters" which is about as good a mention as a female could hope for

No, it doesn't. It says that Cain left after God cursed him and, while in Nod, he lay with his wife (Genesis 4:16-17). It makes no mention of when he met her. It's just as likely (well, more likely) that he was already married to her when he knocked off Abel.

wonder if it's nephilum related.