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#12027 Dec 16 2011 at 10:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
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My god is reason.

Yeah. Fight that.


That one is easy, you just need someone relentlessly irrational. Smiley: wink

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#12028 Dec 16 2011 at 11:49 PM Rating: Good
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Debating religion in the Asylum is fun. =x


Smiley: lol

You guys have quite the little debate going there...

Oh and I still say my god could beat up yours. Smiley: wink


I doubt it, because I have two. So my gods would beat up your god because two is better than one. Smiley: tongue


Hah you think its 1 god, but boom! it's really 3 gods! 3 in one, surprise beatdown!



this is way more fun than the asylum version...


Damn it, you got me there. *grumbles* Stupid trinity...
#12029 Dec 17 2011 at 12:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Debating religion in the Asylum is fun. =x


Smiley: lol

You guys have quite the little debate going there...

Oh and I still say my god could beat up yours. Smiley: wink


I doubt it, because I have two. So my gods would beat up your god because two is better than one. Smiley: tongue


Hah you think its 1 god, but boom! it's really 3 gods! 3 in one, surprise beatdown!



this is way more fun than the asylum version...


Damn it, you got me there. *grumbles* Stupid trinity...


To be fair I suppose there's a good deal of debate on that whole trinity thingy... Smiley: wink
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#12030 Dec 17 2011 at 12:12 AM Rating: Good
Oh wait, no! If you're going to use the trinity, I can use our equivalent. The Goddess has three different forms: the Maiden, the Mother and the Crone. I could also technically count the God as having many forms as well, since the seasons are a representation of the God's life. Or rather, the God's life is a representation of the seasons, culminating on specific holidays.

Yule (or winter solstice) is when the God was born, and is our equivalent to Christmas. Candlemas at the beginning of February celebrates the God as a child. The Spring Equinox celebrates the God as a youth. Beltane on May 1st celebrates him as a young man, and this holiday is big on fertility. This is when the God and the Goddess handfast(get married) and when the God is conceived. So technically there are two of him from Beltane until Samhain. Summer Solstice, Lammas (August 1st) and the Autumn Equinox are a celebration of his aging from a young man to an elderly man, with Lammas being of particular importance as it is the celebration of the harvest. Then finally we have Samhain (Nov. 1st) which is when the God in his elderly form dies. This is our New Year basically.

One thing I find amusing is the parallel between Wiccan and ancient pagan holidays, and Christian holidays. A lot of traditions stem from the pagan holidays actually. Christmas trees are from the Yule log, Easter's traditions of colored eggs and the easter bunny come from pagan symbols of fertility, etc.
#12031 Dec 17 2011 at 12:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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One thing I find amusing is the parallel between Wiccan and ancient pagan holidays, and Christian holidays. A lot of traditions stem from the pagan holidays actually. Christmas trees are from the Yule log, Easter's traditions of colored eggs and the easter bunny come from pagan symbols of fertility, etc.


Shhhh... now be careful. You're liable to scare people with that kind of thinking. Smiley: wink
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#12032 Dec 17 2011 at 12:51 AM Rating: Good
Not the people in this thread. Smiley: lol I'd have to post pics of spiders to scare them. =x
#12033 Dec 17 2011 at 12:56 AM Rating: Good
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Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
One thing I find amusing is the parallel between Wiccan and ancient pagan holidays, and Christian holidays. A lot of traditions stem from the pagan holidays actually. Christmas trees are from the Yule log, Easter's traditions of colored eggs and the easter bunny come from pagan symbols of fertility, etc.


Instead of amusing, I find that fascinating. IIRC, the theory is that when Christianity was first making a rise to power, it needed followers badly. People would be much more likely to convert if the new religion wasn't too different to their old religion.

The old Christians were masters at this. If people were forced to give up their entire old culture and way of life in the name of a new religion, it wouldn't last very long at all. But by Christianity adopting the older traditions, people pretty much continued on exactly the same, but with different names for things. This was a lot easier and a lot more successful than if they had forced new holidays, new dissimilar god(s), etc. Depending on the region you look at, the whole Patron Saint/Angel hierarchy deal can even start looking more and more like a pantheon.

Early Christianity and how it spread is something I just think is really interesting. It was almost like they knew what it would take for a religion to spread and thrive, and were willing to allow Christianity to adopt that to survive.
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#12034 Dec 17 2011 at 12:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Spiders are fun. You should totally do that. Smiley: grin
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#12035 Dec 17 2011 at 4:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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IDrownFish wrote:
Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
One thing I find amusing is the parallel between Wiccan and ancient pagan holidays, and Christian holidays. A lot of traditions stem from the pagan holidays actually. Christmas trees are from the Yule log, Easter's traditions of colored eggs and the easter bunny come from pagan symbols of fertility, etc.


Instead of amusing, I find that fascinating. IIRC, the theory is that when Christianity was first making a rise to power, it needed followers badly. People would be much more likely to convert if the new religion wasn't too different to their old religion.

The old Christians were masters at this. If people were forced to give up their entire old culture and way of life in the name of a new religion, it wouldn't last very long at all. But by Christianity adopting the older traditions, people pretty much continued on exactly the same, but with different names for things. This was a lot easier and a lot more successful than if they had forced new holidays, new dissimilar god(s), etc. Depending on the region you look at, the whole Patron Saint/Angel hierarchy deal can even start looking more and more like a pantheon.

Early Christianity and how it spread is something I just think is really interesting. It was almost like they knew what it would take for a religion to spread and thrive, and were willing to allow Christianity to adopt that to survive.


Specifically, the Romans were experts at assimilating new cultures into the empire. I believe it was a Roman emperor, upon converting to Christianity, that helped spread the religion through the Roman Empire. Although, I think he spread Christianity less because he was a devout believer, and more because nothing sets up a good "Us vs Them" like religion.

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#12036 Dec 17 2011 at 7:02 AM Rating: Good
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#12038 Dec 17 2011 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
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So I'm drinking Jopen Koyt right now.
It's a spiced/herbal beer with a mix of herbs and a recipe that dates back to the 15th century.
The spices are very obviously there, a little too much of them in my opinion. There's more of a maltiness following the herbs, it's quite similar to the pine ale I've had before only the pine worked far better with the rest of the beer than these spices do, this doesn't have any of the sweetness of the pine and it could've used it.

Edited, Dec 17th 2011 4:49pm by Aethien
#12039 Dec 17 2011 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good
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I just got 17,060 +1's from your signature, Aeth.

I like. Smiley: thumbsup

Edit: Digg, they haven't changed hybrid effects, have they? I played around with the trial last week to check out the changes. I had to change my pants after checking out the new warp tunnel, but from what I saw, they still use the old effects for hybrids and the old sounds (pew, pew, twang!). Lasers, on the other hand, look downright sexy. Especially pulse lasers.

And yes, the Oracle is sexy. By far the prettiest of the new ships.

Edited, Dec 17th 2011 6:38pm by Mazra
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#12040 Dec 17 2011 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
IDrownFish wrote:
Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
One thing I find amusing is the parallel between Wiccan and ancient pagan holidays, and Christian holidays. A lot of traditions stem from the pagan holidays actually. Christmas trees are from the Yule log, Easter's traditions of colored eggs and the easter bunny come from pagan symbols of fertility, etc.


Instead of amusing, I find that fascinating. IIRC, the theory is that when Christianity was first making a rise to power, it needed followers badly. People would be much more likely to convert if the new religion wasn't too different to their old religion.

The old Christians were masters at this. If people were forced to give up their entire old culture and way of life in the name of a new religion, it wouldn't last very long at all. But by Christianity adopting the older traditions, people pretty much continued on exactly the same, but with different names for things. This was a lot easier and a lot more successful than if they had forced new holidays, new dissimilar god(s), etc. Depending on the region you look at, the whole Patron Saint/Angel hierarchy deal can even start looking more and more like a pantheon.

Early Christianity and how it spread is something I just think is really interesting. It was almost like they knew what it would take for a religion to spread and thrive, and were willing to allow Christianity to adopt that to survive.


Yup, pretty much. If you look at the Wiccan holidays (remembering that it is based off of ancient pagan religions of the British Isles) and compare them to Christian or specifically Catholic holidays, most of the Christian holidays line up pretty closely to the Wiccan holidays. I can't find a chart right now, but I'll see if I can find one later.
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Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
IDrownFish wrote:
Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
One thing I find amusing is the parallel between Wiccan and ancient pagan holidays, and Christian holidays. A lot of traditions stem from the pagan holidays actually. Christmas trees are from the Yule log, Easter's traditions of colored eggs and the easter bunny come from pagan symbols of fertility, etc.


Instead of amusing, I find that fascinating. IIRC, the theory is that when Christianity was first making a rise to power, it needed followers badly. People would be much more likely to convert if the new religion wasn't too different to their old religion.

The old Christians were masters at this. If people were forced to give up their entire old culture and way of life in the name of a new religion, it wouldn't last very long at all. But by Christianity adopting the older traditions, people pretty much continued on exactly the same, but with different names for things. This was a lot easier and a lot more successful than if they had forced new holidays, new dissimilar god(s), etc. Depending on the region you look at, the whole Patron Saint/Angel hierarchy deal can even start looking more and more like a pantheon.

Early Christianity and how it spread is something I just think is really interesting. It was almost like they knew what it would take for a religion to spread and thrive, and were willing to allow Christianity to adopt that to survive.


Yup, pretty much. If you look at the Wiccan holidays (remembering that it is based off of ancient pagan religions of the British Isles) and compare them to Christian or specifically Catholic holidays, most of the Christian holidays line up pretty closely to the Wiccan holidays. I can't find a chart right now, but I'll see if I can find one later.


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#12042 Dec 17 2011 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
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They align so well because the Church knew that converting the pagans would be harder if they didn't retain their holidays.

Also, since most religions are built up around the same beliefs (just visualized differently), a lot of the holidays naturally connect. Take Christmas, for instance. It's no coincidence that the savior of mankind was born during winter solstice. That myth goes back to ancient Egypt.
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#12043 Dec 17 2011 at 3:22 PM Rating: Good
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damn youtube links being dumb

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#12044 Dec 17 2011 at 4:56 PM Rating: Good
Actually this stuff is interesting.

Sikhism is built on making something new from taking Hindu/Buddhist philosophy and combining it with Islamic ideas, and creating traditions that made people feel like they were better off than they were (turbans used to be a status symbol of the upper castes).

Islam is strange because a lot of the traditionalists will not allow for music or anything like that, but even if you go to Islamic functions you'll get music of some sort at least of the time and I think some of the best ways of introducing it to people who know very little about it actually have background music at the very least. It makes it more approachable.

I think as far as holidays go, I can't stand Christian holidays because so many people use them to make themselves look better (religiously, socially, whatever) and I'm just not good at going with any of that.

Edit: I'm all for celebrating Beltane, though. Beltane is awesome.

Edited, Dec 17th 2011 10:57pm by Kalivha
#12045 Dec 17 2011 at 5:03 PM Rating: Good
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I'm super excited for christmas this year.

The NBA opening day line up is fucking awesome.
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#12046 Dec 17 2011 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
Beltane is indeed awesome.

Digg, I've decided that you must make a Sith character on the server my guild is going to be on for TOR. Jekk Jekk Tarr is pretty much going to be the official gay server, as most of the guilds from Proudmoore are making guilds on that server. Plus, my guildies are awesome. Do eeet.
#12047 Dec 17 2011 at 6:42 PM Rating: Good
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ToR is frustrating me. The males need a body type between 2 and 3, because 3 is ridiculous. And I can't roll female because I feel weird playing female characters. Either way, Sith Warriors are fun as hell. Force Charge is the coolest looking ability I've seen yet, with the exception of Force Lightning from Inquisitors.
#12048 Dec 17 2011 at 7:08 PM Rating: Good
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@Maz, they rebalanced them so that they are no longer the weakest gunnery form. This was primarily a PvP issue, but EVE doesn't have any kind of really harsh PvE content to worry about.

The issues were basically:
1. Changes to ship speeds made it more difficult to get into blaster range.
2. Web changes made it more difficult for their tracking speeds to make blasters viable.
3. Projectiles got launched, so the advantages of hybrids disappeared.

So CCP rebalanced them and they are viable again. The point of hybrids have always been to either do high damage at close range, or average damage at medium range.

Now they ACTUALLY do that. They reduced the CPU/powergrid costs for most turrets (except certain ones for which low reqs were already built in), so you can fit more modules. Reduced capacitor use by 30%. Increased tracking speed by 20%. Increased the railgun damage modifier by 10%.

For some specific ships that are hybrid platforms, they increased maximum velocity by 10 or 5 m/s. They also reduced the inertia modifier for some (so they could turn easier).

Finally, they also made changes to some tech II ammo. Though this wasn't limited to hybrids.

Why these changes matter:
1. Blasters need you to be in close range. For frigates, this meant that your own fast speed (so important for your defense) was actually reducing your own accuracy, since your blasters couldn't track fast enough.

2. Railguns force you into medium range, which can be hard to play. But they needed to do enough damage to be competitive, and they weren't. The tracking speed issue wasn't so important.

3. For both, because of CPU/Powergrid requirements, it was REALLY hard to fit all the modules you'd need on a lot of ships until your skills were really high and you were using some efficiency parts. For PVP, these are:
1. Stasis Web
2. Warp Jammer
3. Afterburner
4. A tank (usually shield or armor extender)
5. A damage control unit

For many ships, that's ALL their slots. Before the buff, this usually meant not using all your turret bays. And losing any one of those units was a big hit. The stasis web was super important for any engagement involving frigates (whether it was you, them, or both). Useful in any scenario, though, since it makes them less accurate. The warp jammer is obvious--no reason to play at pvp if they'll just warp out when they start to lose. Managing distance is super important if using rails, so that they don't get in too close. It's also super important for frigates to get in close, fast--they are most vulnerable when approaching. Tank has obvious uses. DCU provides a huge increase to damage resistances.

4. The speed/inertia changes for the ships are super nice. If using blasters, you need to be close. Faster velocity helps you get in, and helps you avoid damage. Inertia reduction means that you turn easier, helping you avoid damage by giving you better transversal velocity.

For railguns, it means you have an easier time managing your distance. You get there faster, and turn easier.

5. Capacitor use decrease. It's no shocker that PVP really taxes your capacitor--you need your warp jammer on all the time, and your stasis web gets healthy use. DCU doesn't take much at all, but it adds up. Periods of afterburner use can hurt.

Hybrids were just costing TOO MUCH cap. Now, you can go way longer, and are less likely to end up with no cap to even use your weapons with.

SO, yeah...
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#12049 Dec 17 2011 at 7:13 PM Rating: Good
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Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Beltane is indeed awesome.

Digg, I've decided that you must make a Sith character on the server my guild is going to be on for TOR. Jekk Jekk Tarr is pretty much going to be the official gay server, as most of the guilds from Proudmoore are making guilds on that server. Plus, my guildies are awesome. Do eeet.


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ToR is frustrating me. The males need a body type between 2 and 3, because 3 is ridiculous. And I can't roll female because I feel weird playing female characters. Either way, Sith Warriors are fun as hell. Force Charge is the coolest looking ability I've seen yet, with the exception of Force Lightning from Inquisitors.


I didn't grab early access, since I knew I wouldn't have been able to really play anyway, but I'll keep that in mind. I'm probably going to main Republic (Sith scum), but I had planned to try the Sith content quite a bit as well (partly because the Inquisitor is so much fun).

And rio, I can't remember the sizes. How many are there again? Is it 4 or 5?

I remember the super small one, and the fat one. I think all my characters ended up as the buff-like-buzz lightyear body type. Is that 3?
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#12050 Dec 17 2011 at 7:14 PM Rating: Good
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And because 3 is a charm, I wanted to bang my Jedi knight. Stupid code.
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#12051 Dec 17 2011 at 7:43 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, 3 is the "I've got a massive chest and teeny wee legs" body type. Whereas none of the female body types look remotely ridiculous. I'm also thinking about rerolling to bounty hunter, but I'm not sure if I can take 1-11 again. The game's not even out yet and I've played through the first ten levels 3 times, all as Sith Warrior. First was body type 3, decided I hated it, changed to body type two, hated it, changed back to 3, and now I'm thinking about rerolling female Sith Warrior. Although, if I switched to Bounty Hunter it wouldn't be so bad 'cause then I could see a different starting zone.
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