This is a rant! .... but...
I have a very close friend of mine in real life and I finally talked him into playing WoW just 3 months ago. I held up on my 42 Hunter so he could catch up, which he did. He is an undead rogue. Every time we get a group together and do an instance, he suddenly fake d/c's himself whenever he needs to log for whatever reason without telling me or the other group members. I feel so embarrased because we are in the same guild. I try to explain to him about Group/party etiquette and his response is "What the f*ck ever..., it's just some stupid game and if I feel like leaving or need to go because it's taking too long then I have that right." He is very impatient. We went to Uldaman last night and out of nowhere during the Ancient Stone Keeper fight he d/c's and when he comes back 2 hours later he said "I got d/c'd and instead of logging back on I went to KFC (haha yeah that's right, Kentucky fried chicken".... so lame.... I told him he could have at least called me to let me know... We ended up waiting a half hour for him before replacing him.
On a side note, he also refuses to spend money on reagents and poisons for his skills such as blind and vanish. He never has crippling poison or fadeleaf.... I constantly give him money to help him out and he just spends it on blue gear and wastes it away buying toys and such even though he gets pretty good rewards from instances. He is still even using a lower rank of sinister strike and sap and stealth... He is lvl 42 and refused to buy a mount even though he had the money because he said he can go all the way to 60 without it. (lol and did I mention we were on a PVP server? ^^) Every time I ask him to use crippling poison against the humanoids for crowd control he just sighs and says "You know I don't ever have any". And that's that.
It's really irritating because, as I said, he is a really close friend of mine, but his antics in game are really driving me up a wall. It's annoying and really making him and myself look bad in the guild. I wish I could really just let it all out and tell him how stupid he is being. I myself have a 60 rogue and I know that poisons and skills can cost a lot BUT I also knew how to budget my money instead of wasting it..
Edited, Dec 4th 2006 5:45pm by Koyo
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Fake D/C everytime he requests to group with you.
But seriously, tell him to stop acting like such a noob because it impacts your enjoyment of the game. If he refuses don't group with him anymore. If he's going to stop being your friend over a video game, I guess he wasn't that good of a friend to begin with.
But seriously, tell him to stop acting like such a noob because it impacts your enjoyment of the game. If he refuses don't group with him anymore. If he's going to stop being your friend over a video game, I guess he wasn't that good of a friend to begin with.
Sounds like a dumbass, no offense to ya.
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Well, send him off to a WoW finishing school or you can tell him how annoying he is being. Also, get a member or two of your guild to back you up on that. If he still doesn't get the message, then there's not much you can do except refuse to group with him.
Edited, Dec 4th 2006 6:08pm by purplewallz
Edited, Dec 4th 2006 6:08pm by purplewallz
Well the first thing is don't think he is really ruining YOUR image by acting like an ***. If he is acting like a jerk, anyone thats competent will not think your the fool who is doing it. Yea you brought him in, but thats it, he decides his own fate.
With that said, relax, it's just a game. So since it's just a game, he won't care when you stop grouping with him and giving him money :p
Seriously. If you're not enjoying your game, stop grouping with him or do whatever you feel you need to do to so you're not stressed out playing WoW.
With that said, relax, it's just a game. So since it's just a game, he won't care when you stop grouping with him and giving him money :p
Seriously. If you're not enjoying your game, stop grouping with him or do whatever you feel you need to do to so you're not stressed out playing WoW.
I dont know what to tell ya, other than tell him if he cant respect the game and people around him to quit.
Honestly wow doesnt need one more person like that, I dont care what the reasoning is behind it.
I know thats a hard think to say to a RL friend, but you cant shine a ****.
Honestly wow doesnt need one more person like that, I dont care what the reasoning is behind it.
I know thats a hard think to say to a RL friend, but you cant shine a ****.
Your friend is like an online Dupree.
Thanks for all the replies.....
We're kind of giving each other the silent treatment right now... let's see how long this standoff lasts....
I do have other guild members backing me up, so I don't feel so alone on this issue anymore...
The next time (if) asks me to help him with Stromgarde, I shall say nay and log off... or get there and suddenly fake d/c myself.
We're kind of giving each other the silent treatment right now... let's see how long this standoff lasts....
I do have other guild members backing me up, so I don't feel so alone on this issue anymore...
The next time (if) asks me to help him with Stromgarde, I shall say nay and log off... or get there and suddenly fake d/c myself.
Don't let a game ruin your friendship. If he enjoys playing, but won't follow the basic rules of etiquette, then, as others have said, dont group with him. Just tell him that he does not play well enough, but if he wants to listen, and take to heart what you say, you will party with him again. Tell him it is nothing personal at all, but that his problems are getting you killed, which costs you money, and lost items.
Above all else, though, as I said before, don't let WoW and how he plays make you hate him in RL. It sounds like you need to distance yourself from him in-game, or, trust me, you will end up hating him in the end for his selfish behavior.
Above all else, though, as I said before, don't let WoW and how he plays make you hate him in RL. It sounds like you need to distance yourself from him in-game, or, trust me, you will end up hating him in the end for his selfish behavior.
Don't let your friendship ruin the game.
If he is going to be a douchebag, don't group with/ or be in the same guild, as him.
If he is going to be a douchebag, don't group with/ or be in the same guild, as him.
Touchy issue. It is just a game. If he doesn't take it seriously respect that. On the same token, he has to understand that you take WOW seriously.
If he wants to play with you, he has to be open to develop his character and/or be open to constructive criticism.
If he wants to play with you, he has to be open to develop his character and/or be open to constructive criticism.
Don't let him control your fun. There's no need to log of or DC him like he does to you. Just don't group with him. Don't log off just because he's on or whatever that won't help anything and it will make you hate him more because you'll be losing out on your play time.
Next time he asks for your help or money tell you have better things to do with your time. Explain that it's not just him playing a game it's the people he groups with. If he doesn't like it he shouldn't group and waste everyone's time including his own. Explain that what he is doing would be similar to dropping out in the middle of a basketball game or any other team sport or game he might relate to.
Just let him know that if he wants the help he's going to have to put forth a better team effort on his part. Cut him off from all money or groups until he can show that's he's not selfish.
Next time he asks for your help or money tell you have better things to do with your time. Explain that it's not just him playing a game it's the people he groups with. If he doesn't like it he shouldn't group and waste everyone's time including his own. Explain that what he is doing would be similar to dropping out in the middle of a basketball game or any other team sport or game he might relate to.
Just let him know that if he wants the help he's going to have to put forth a better team effort on his part. Cut him off from all money or groups until he can show that's he's not selfish.
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It's really irritating because, as I said, he is a really close friend of mine, but his antics in game are really driving me up a wall. It's annoying and really making him and myself look bad in the guild. I wish I could really just let it all out and tell him how stupid he is being. I myself have a 60 rogue and I know that poisons and skills can cost a lot BUT I also knew how to budget my money instead of wasting it..
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It's really irritating because, as I said, he is a really close friend of mine, but his antics in game are really driving me up a wall. It's annoying and really making him and myself look bad in the guild. I wish I could really just let it all out and tell him how stupid he is being. I myself have a 60 rogue and I know that poisons and skills can cost a lot BUT I also knew how to budget my money instead of wasting it..
/gkick him until he grows up. Get a guild officer to do it, and have the officer (not you) explain the reasons why he's being booted from the guild. Have it explained to him that he will remain out of the guild until he learns that spoiling other people's fun is not allowed behavior.
If he then complains to you, THEN you can tell him that he brought it on himself with his attitude.
Sorry, but if he can't play with others, then he needs to go back to single player games.
my 2c
Just act normal to him like you always do, just dont group with him, ever.
And if he asks why, tell him that you want to finish instances and he's way to unreliable.
Just tell the truth and what you both already know but dont say, giving the silent treatment doesnt solve anything. Remember that its something between you and him, noone else, dont try to bring in others to "back you up" youre friend will get very defensive and most surely destroy youre RL friendship, if you still value that friendship.
In these cases the most simple solution is always the best one.
Edited, Dec 5th 2006 8:00am by Sjans
Just act normal to him like you always do, just dont group with him, ever.
And if he asks why, tell him that you want to finish instances and he's way to unreliable.
Just tell the truth and what you both already know but dont say, giving the silent treatment doesnt solve anything. Remember that its something between you and him, noone else, dont try to bring in others to "back you up" youre friend will get very defensive and most surely destroy youre RL friendship, if you still value that friendship.
In these cases the most simple solution is always the best one.
Edited, Dec 5th 2006 8:00am by Sjans
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/gkick him until he grows up. Get a guild officer to do it, and have the officer (not you) explain the reasons why he's being booted from the guild. Have it explained to him that he will remain out of the guild until he learns that spoiling other people's fun is not allowed behavior.
If he then complains to you, THEN you can tell him that he brought it on himself with his attitude.
Sorry, but if he can't play with others, then he needs to go back to single player games.
If he then complains to you, THEN you can tell him that he brought it on himself with his attitude.
Sorry, but if he can't play with others, then he needs to go back to single player games.
Good idea, this will take some of the "heat" off of you and maybe he'll change. His mentality screams FPS' not MMO's though. If/when you make it to the higher
Bump this up a notch, what about when the annoying,self-centered prick in question is a RL co-worker/friend of the Guild leader? A person that pretty much got to 60 only grouping with his wife's rogue and a RL friend's priest.
Same person is one of those anti-raiders,if you raid must mean you have a. no life. b. no sex. c. are a geek/nerd. You get the idea.
Turns out a guildmate pointed me to a posting on our Guildboards (one of the first this guy posted upon getting his invite to guild), pretty much in translation it was "If I cant call the shots and have people doing what I tell them to when I tell them I wont be raiding as I dont want to follow someone else."
When this person was leveling up no one really paid attention as he was always grouped with his wife/friend. They seemed to think they could do any thing in this setup. Then at 60, they found themselves starting to get into the end game 5/10 man runs. Wasnt long before a lot of us were quietly whispering "god, what a tool".
We all play for fun and entertainment,Id like to think most people do, this guy was almost like its a profession/job. every pull had to me precise and exact, if things didnt go his way he was openly critical of the skills of those of us helping him.
Now considering he had only played a few months and places like Strat,Scholo, Ubers were all new to him, having him critique the playstyles of folks that had been clearing these instances over the last couple of years was funny and sad all at same time.
At same time (he is a dwarf warrior) he seems to have an obsession with trying to convince anyone that listens non-raid gear is just as good as what drops in 20/40 man raids, that he is just as awesum a tank as any full prot geared up raid tank. Seems to have a huge issue with female warriors in game as well.
So, you have one Officer trying to ignore the fact this co-workers a tool most wish to see gkicked. A few of us quietly decided to never group with them after bad experiances, a few of us put them on ignore.
I dont like using ignore unless I have to and involves someone i dont even know. To use it on someone wearing same guild tag takes me back to EQ raiding days, I can remember when out of a 72 man raid half would have the other half on ignore.
Anyways, RL friends that are pricks are bad enough, when it involves officers or guild leaders it impacts an entire guild.
Any other horror storys related to GLeaders/Officers and their bunghole friends?
My favorite of all time had to be the Guildleader inviting his cyber girl friend to be an officer of an EQ guild,not long after the GUY playing the female wood elf took the guild bank and vanished into the night, but not after getting him/herself nicely geared up, along with a few of their "female" friends. I think it was "cough" Sister and roommate.
Same person is one of those anti-raiders,if you raid must mean you have a. no life. b. no sex. c. are a geek/nerd. You get the idea.
Turns out a guildmate pointed me to a posting on our Guildboards (one of the first this guy posted upon getting his invite to guild), pretty much in translation it was "If I cant call the shots and have people doing what I tell them to when I tell them I wont be raiding as I dont want to follow someone else."
When this person was leveling up no one really paid attention as he was always grouped with his wife/friend. They seemed to think they could do any thing in this setup. Then at 60, they found themselves starting to get into the end game 5/10 man runs. Wasnt long before a lot of us were quietly whispering "god, what a tool".
We all play for fun and entertainment,Id like to think most people do, this guy was almost like its a profession/job. every pull had to me precise and exact, if things didnt go his way he was openly critical of the skills of those of us helping him.
Now considering he had only played a few months and places like Strat,Scholo, Ubers were all new to him, having him critique the playstyles of folks that had been clearing these instances over the last couple of years was funny and sad all at same time.
At same time (he is a dwarf warrior) he seems to have an obsession with trying to convince anyone that listens non-raid gear is just as good as what drops in 20/40 man raids, that he is just as awesum a tank as any full prot geared up raid tank. Seems to have a huge issue with female warriors in game as well.
So, you have one Officer trying to ignore the fact this co-workers a tool most wish to see gkicked. A few of us quietly decided to never group with them after bad experiances, a few of us put them on ignore.
I dont like using ignore unless I have to and involves someone i dont even know. To use it on someone wearing same guild tag takes me back to EQ raiding days, I can remember when out of a 72 man raid half would have the other half on ignore.
Anyways, RL friends that are pricks are bad enough, when it involves officers or guild leaders it impacts an entire guild.
Any other horror storys related to GLeaders/Officers and their bunghole friends?
My favorite of all time had to be the Guildleader inviting his cyber girl friend to be an officer of an EQ guild,not long after the GUY playing the female wood elf took the guild bank and vanished into the night, but not after getting him/herself nicely geared up, along with a few of their "female" friends. I think it was "cough" Sister and roommate.
ohmikeghod wrote:
/gkick him until he grows up. Get a guild officer to do it, and have the officer (not you) explain the reasons why he's being booted from the guild. Have it explained to him that he will remain out of the guild until he learns that spoiling other people's fun is not allowed behavior.
If he then complains to you, THEN you can tell him that he brought it on himself with his attitude.
Sorry, but if he can't play with others, then he needs to go back to single player games.
If he then complains to you, THEN you can tell him that he brought it on himself with his attitude.
Sorry, but if he can't play with others, then he needs to go back to single player games.
Agreed. This seems like a good solution, all around. Don't fake d/c him or sink to his level - there's no need. Handle it maturely - don't let a momentary vindication give him ground throw anything back in your face.
Mike's solution seems like a very diplomatic way of handling things, giving you ground to broach the situation without having to be directly hostile initially - and proving that it is only you that has an issue or is effected by his irresponsible play.
Your friend is right. He has the right to log off/fake d/c any time he likes. He can play to 60 without a mount. He doesn't have to do anything he doesn't feel like doing.
The issue then is that his style of play differs from yours and from what most others feel is proper/admirable. If he is truly that good of a friend, you can agree with him when he says that he can play any way he likes. But, you can also let him know that it will be hard for him later on in the game when he will NEED other people to continue playing. TBC will relieve some of this with new material to solo, but eventually he will cap out and will have to group with others to continue experiencing new content.
You can explain to him some of the practical reasons for the etiquette and suggest to him that he start making adjustments before he is ostracised.
Good luck!
typo is not a blood type
Edited, Dec 5th 2006 3:07pm by Elflorn
The issue then is that his style of play differs from yours and from what most others feel is proper/admirable. If he is truly that good of a friend, you can agree with him when he says that he can play any way he likes. But, you can also let him know that it will be hard for him later on in the game when he will NEED other people to continue playing. TBC will relieve some of this with new material to solo, but eventually he will cap out and will have to group with others to continue experiencing new content.
You can explain to him some of the practical reasons for the etiquette and suggest to him that he start making adjustments before he is ostracised.
Good luck!
typo is not a blood type
Edited, Dec 5th 2006 3:07pm by Elflorn
If he doesn't play as a team member, don't team with him. Simple as that. Would he walk off in the middle of a football game or basketball game if he felt like it? I bet not, even though these are just games as well. I'd BE a friend, and just tell him "Would you put up with someone doing that to YOU?" Bad manners and lack of respect are not to be tolerated in anyone, and that includes 'friends'.
If he says he would, tell him to go find people like that by himself, as your playing styles are poles apart.
If he says he would, tell him to go find people like that by himself, as your playing styles are poles apart.
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I had a somewhat similar experience with my best friend when i got him the game as a gift. He enjoys it but doesnt take it too seriously, plays infrequently and ends up offending those that do because of his "Chill,its just a game man" attitude. He has said goodby to groups in the middle of instances and when things take too long or slow down such as when the party is planning strategy. The positives are that he is a drama free, funny guy and he will give away some nice items if asked since "the stuff is not real anyway and if it makes them happy so what". He is a great guy but he will never be nor does he even want to be a great player and thats fine by me. My solution is to do short things with him and only team with people who are aware of his attitudes and dont mind since they profit from his fun and cavalier attitude. Bottom line im not going to ruin my long time friendship with him over WOW.
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Fake D/C everytime he requests to group with you.
But seriously, tell him to stop acting like such a noob because it impacts your enjoyment of the game. If he refuses don't group with him anymore. If he's going to stop being your friend over a video game, I guess he wasn't that good of a friend to begin with.
But seriously, tell him to stop acting like such a noob because it impacts your enjoyment of the game. If he refuses don't group with him anymore. If he's going to stop being your friend over a video game, I guess he wasn't that good of a friend to begin with.
The guy is being a complete jerk. Tell him you can't play with him online anymore as long as he is going to act like this. These people he is ******** over with his behavior are 100% as real a person as he is. Their time is just as valuable as his. If he does not have the courtesy to tell people when he is going to leave don't play with him. If he can't understand that when you go to an instance with a group you are making a commitment to those people to stay with the group till its finished. Then don't play with him.
Things do happen in the world outside that will make anyone have to leave. Very few things are so drastic and so sudden that we don't have time to type. "I have to go!!!!" Before we disconnect. This does not mean we have a right to chose to leave because we got bored. If your friend can't last out an instance take up fishing with him then when he gets bored and leaves it does not mess with other more considerate peoples days.
As your friend says when he rudely and inconsiderately fakes LD. Its only a game ***** those people. Do as the other poster said and say I'm sorry I can't play with you in WoW as long as you do that and as the other poster said turn his own words back on him if he balks or threatens your off line friendship. Tell him hey its only a game. If you are going to get pissed at me off line for not playing online with you maybe you need turn that round and realize people 'online' deserve consideration as well.
As it is you introduced this plague to the world. You are responsible to people for his behavior.
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There's two sides to this.
Firstly it is just a game. One which I am hopelessly addicted to and in a weird way I admire those who can take it or leave it.
Its certainly not worth losing a real friend over.
I'd also suggest that your friend could be playing in a style which is more his real personality. We all do things in real life out of politeness because we know there are consequences. Eg. if we fall out & lose with friends in the real world they are gone. In WoW we just do a PUG. Or find another guild.
I'd say that in future don't go to instances with him. Just help him with quests etc.
Firstly it is just a game. One which I am hopelessly addicted to and in a weird way I admire those who can take it or leave it.
Its certainly not worth losing a real friend over.
I'd also suggest that your friend could be playing in a style which is more his real personality. We all do things in real life out of politeness because we know there are consequences. Eg. if we fall out & lose with friends in the real world they are gone. In WoW we just do a PUG. Or find another guild.
I'd say that in future don't go to instances with him. Just help him with quests etc.
As others have said, don't let this game ruin a RL friendship. If you can't enjoy playing with him, don't. But maybe I can suggest a few ways to improve your playtime together.
First off, I definitely agree you should have another of your guild's officers /gkick him, to limit the collateral damage.
Try playing with your friend exclusively as a two-man team, not in five-man instances. Farm with him rather than doing long, elaborate quest chains. That way he's not ******** you over if he needs/wants to log. Let him know that you're OK with him taking off, but you want to know if he's about to so you can move on.
Instead of giving him money, buy him blinding powder, crippling poison and a mount. (You used to be able to buy mounts for others, not sure if they're BOP these days). Be emotionally prepared for the possibility that he won't buy the riding skill, but if he doesn't, don't wait for him. Ride to the zone you're farming and start. When he shows up much later, tease him.
Basically, if you want to play with your friend, play in a way you can both have fun, a loose and casual way, and gently nudge him towards your preferred, highly skilled way of playing. He might take the hint. If not, hey, at least you're farming up items or rep your other chars can use.
First off, I definitely agree you should have another of your guild's officers /gkick him, to limit the collateral damage.
Koyo wrote:
Every time we get a group together and do an instance, he suddenly fake d/c's himself whenever he needs to log for whatever reason without telling me or the other group members.... We went to Uldaman last night and out of nowhere during the Ancient Stone Keeper fight he d/c's and when he comes back 2 hours later he said "I got d/c'd and instead of logging back on I went to KFC (haha yeah that's right, Kentucky fried chicken"
Try playing with your friend exclusively as a two-man team, not in five-man instances. Farm with him rather than doing long, elaborate quest chains. That way he's not ******** you over if he needs/wants to log. Let him know that you're OK with him taking off, but you want to know if he's about to so you can move on.
Koyo wrote:
On a side note, he also refuses to spend money on reagents and poisons for his skills such as blind and vanish....I constantly give him money to help him out and he just spends it on blue gear and wastes it away buying toys and such ... He is lvl 42 and refused to buy a mount ...
Instead of giving him money, buy him blinding powder, crippling poison and a mount. (You used to be able to buy mounts for others, not sure if they're BOP these days). Be emotionally prepared for the possibility that he won't buy the riding skill, but if he doesn't, don't wait for him. Ride to the zone you're farming and start. When he shows up much later, tease him.
Basically, if you want to play with your friend, play in a way you can both have fun, a loose and casual way, and gently nudge him towards your preferred, highly skilled way of playing. He might take the hint. If not, hey, at least you're farming up items or rep your other chars can use.
Lmao, all I have to say is grow a thicker skin.
And stop waisting time with low level instances.
Just use quest rewards and AH greens to get you to 60, then grab the HWL stuff.
And stop waisting time with low level instances.
Just use quest rewards and AH greens to get you to 60, then grab the HWL stuff.
How about directing him to this thread?
[quote=*************** about directing him to this thread?[/quote]
the best idea i've seen on this thread yet!! and that's not sarcasm either.
another thing: stop giving him money to buy supplies, INSTEAD buy the supplies and give THOSE to him! kinda like a homeless guy, never give 'em money..they'll buy booze...give em food instead.
the best idea i've seen on this thread yet!! and that's not sarcasm either.
another thing: stop giving him money to buy supplies, INSTEAD buy the supplies and give THOSE to him! kinda like a homeless guy, never give 'em money..they'll buy booze...give em food instead.
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