looking for raid guildFollow

57 NE Hunter
First timer to raiding
Boulderfist EU server

looking for a friendly, well organised raid guild for myself and a friend, 57 NE hunter also

any sugguestions please

thank you

^^

And hitting 60.

Whle I don't know the links, I know that the EU have been posted several times here before, in fact I think the big announcement about TBC being delayed came from a EU forum link, if you have that thread tagged or something (i'll look it up after a couple WSG matches i'm about to run)

Also, I think the quote from the faq would look better the way I "fixed" it.

edit: fixing the fix >_>

Edited, Nov 28th 2006 9:15pm by Tomec

Edit: yea ignore my fix thingy.. I stupidly didn't realize that was the guild name >_> I don't feel like changing it back though so you all get to point and laugh at me now ok?

Edited, Nov 29th 2006 12:55am by Tomec

As was said before it would be best to get to level 60 first as well. Most guilds wont take less then that unless you are a priest. This would be especially true for more experienced raid guilds as their members will have the high end equipment and therefore would choose them. 57 to 60 can be done in 3-4 days anyway. Good luck!

As being a member of a guild who is currently going through the whole "growing pains" of progressing in endgame AND having come form a guild that had MC and Ony on farm status WELL before BWL even came out, I can tell you that this is totally true. However, I would like to make one little change... instead of major raid guilds, major AND hardcore raid guilds. There is a bit of a difference. For example, both my old guild and the current could be considered major because we are/were one of the few horde guilds actually making progression in the 40-man stuff. However, at the same time, we (this goes for both) aren't exactly hardcore about it. We play to have fun, and realize people have lives outside of WoW. So if someone has to leave because it is getting late, we don't ***** and moan about it, we replace them if we can (even in the middle of MC) and if not and we have to call the raid due to too many people leaving no one complains... at least in guild chat. To officers on the other hand... Well they know I don't


Think of this (in general not just for Ony but for MC/BWL too) why take someone who CAN'T help you in an instance vs someone who could? I know it seems a little harsh, but you can get all the keys and such done BEFORE you join a raid guild if you wanted. Even Ony isn't THAT hard, just a bit longer to do. Heck I PUG'd the hardest part of MY Ony key, LBRS. Took a couple runs (dumb docs) but I did it. Asking a guild to hold your hand when they NEED (read not filling up raids or not having good class balance) people that can already go somewhere is questionable imo, although i'm personally willing to help people out when I can. One could argue that while learning an instance it would be a good idea to help out people, but if you want fast progress or are "oh so close to downing" something, you want that thing down last week and sometimes people just get burned out on helping a ton of people get keys done. (had the later happen several times to people in my old guild)

Of course, the big kicker to making those required goes along with something else you put in your post... Getting those shows to the guild you should at least have a base understanding of your class in an endgame instance, since you have to do several instance runs for them. This also helps you get geared up some most likely. Like you said, they prefer people with raid experience. Getting keyed is raid experience of a sort.

However, even saying all this, this applies to the more hardcore and major guilds out there. You'll still find plenty of people (especially as an alliance) who are doing more casual raids and don't have a lot of requirements to join.

Edited multiple times for typos I keep missing... too tired..

Edited, Nov 29th 2006 4:24am by Tomec

Edited, Nov 29th 2006 4:26am by Tomec

so it would be better to reach 60 before thinking about this? ^.^ cool thats a better answer than getting a guild ^^ thanks, bye

Sorry, but this is just another way of saying "we raid other end-game guilds for members", or (alternatively) "We aren't accepting new members". I don't see anyone making it through "DM/Scholo/Strat/BRD/LBRS/UBRS runs" without being part of a group. The same goes for being MC/BWL attuned or having done Ony without a good group. My advise is to stay away from guilds that do this kind of recruitment.

You know what? You're right, in a way. I tend to find there's quite a bit of movement with some members of raiding guilds, especially the "top-tier" guilds. Headhunting is a big part of business. However, I've come to realise that there's a difference between a guild that looks for someone willing to take steps themselves and a guild that demands what is only available from other raiding guilds.

A lot of players use endgame guilds like stepping stones, which I don't really approve of, but it happens quite frequently. The guild I'm currently in is casual, but doing endgame instances and some raids, with a view to getting serious about MC and AQ in the new year. The big issue is that we've been having certain guilds that have a better-geared player base (and thus, able to do more in terms of endgame content) headhunt players from our guild after they get a certain amount of gear. They come into our guild, profess their love for the social part of it, but as soon as someone from a guild that's doing BWL hints that a position is open in their guild, said guildie drops us like a hot potato, pushing back the timetable for us to be able to do those raids a little farther. What really is irksome is when people come into a mid-level guild, get geared up for the good of the guild, get that last piece of tier 1, and quit that day.

However, it doesn't take a full raiding guild to get your Tier 0- that can be done with some luck and skill, even in PuGs. Most of the attunements can be done over time in PuGs as well, over time. Onyxia can be done, but not without lots of time invested and a willingness to accept PuG wipes often. I respect the fact that raiding guilds don't want to have to take a person who has nothing to offer, and run them through attunements, and then gear them up, only to risk losing them to the next guild up the ladder- so I realise why they have some standards. Time is money, and nobody likes investing money into something that's going to be stolen away at some unknown date.

To use myself as an example, I have been able to get a few pieces of my tier 0 through farming for gold, buying the parts on AH, and I've gotten several other decent items of gear through my casual guild. I'm also picking up my Amulet of the Darkmoon next month, thanks to some aggressive farming of turnin rewards and shrewd purchases of dense stones. I pass them on to a friend who turns them into dense grinding stones, and in trade, I help his alt with any Elite-level quests he needs done that week. I was accepted into my guild after the old one went because they saw that I had put time into turning my T0 into 0.5, and had done other high-level instances to get some decent gear.

So it's possible to get applicants who can gear up without stealing the members of other guilds. It's just that it seems that headhunting is done more often than not, and that's unfortunate.

If 2 alla members is all it takes to be an "alla guild" in the faq, how do I submit my info?! We have at least 2.

Edited, Nov 30th 2006 3:53am by hashberry

*rofl*
That was kinda my response, too...


Yeah, I'm just as surprised as you are.


Heh, uh...
I have no idea. Maybe.
But yeah, I'm the recruiter for TNS so I have to try to slip it in there wherever I can. I was half-joking, Mike. I don't really consider TNS to be an "Alla guild", even though we have a couple relatively active forum members in the guild.
Of course, Alla posters that fit our requirements ARE encouraged to apply...*hum*

-T.

Yea, I remember the vote for the name of pancake bunnies. I was more just messing around to keep the "tone" of the post in line with Tep's little messing around, not saying those were actual requirements