Found this thread. Should re-spec be free or 2 alternating?Follow

There is a thread on the main WoW site complaining (some) about re-spec costing too much everytime he wants to either raid with his guid, then having to re-spec in order to just compete in PvP. One guy came up with a good idea though. What would be wrong with having two seperate specs you can switch between? One for PvE and one for PvP. What do you guys think? I didn't realize you would have to re-spec in order to just raid and/or PvP everytime. I personally like this idea..

Or maybe only able to down at the class trainer?

As for the OP and someone saying they have to respec each time they want to either raid or go PvP... not true, maybe in THEIR mind it is, but the truth is spec doesn't matter that much in raids. What matters is that you use common sense and play your role, not your spec. For example i've raided with shadow priests who still heal people decently, feral druids (in fact I think my guild has ONE resto druid... thats all), Arms or Fury warriors who are the main tanks, beast mastery hunters, fire/arcane mages... If his guild is forcing him to spec something for a raid then maybe he should join a guild that DOESN'T do that, and don't say that all the hardcore raid guilds do it, because I know for a FACT they don't.

I don't think it's a fair idea when I think about it pvpwise. One of the things that makes difference in pvp is build and I really don't want to see a tier3 (insert any class here) speccing free for pve and pvp. (There are some classes of which spec makes a distinct difference between pvp and pve, ie. soul link locks. )

A free spec will only make the gear gap more dramatic.

But I think they should make first two respecs free because I've seen so many people choosing wrong talents without knowing about their classes much so it might help them a bit.

PS: I would like a free spec between two builds since I'm at 60g at next spec and there are times when I have to go completely solo and going holy/disc takes sooo long time. But no it will not be fair.

You are correct - I'm not nearly high enough to raid yet but I think I understand what you are saying. You are saying that the best PVP gear is BOP from raiding so you have to raid to get the gear that you want to PVP with. So, in order to create a strictly PVP character, you would have to raid with it first to get the right gear and then respec after getting all of the gear from the raids that it needs to PVP.

Tomec has the best idea with doing that at the talent trainer person

Why not just get rid of specs altogether and make all skills from all trees available ala AA.

I don't see a free respec really coming to play because it removes the reason for having different specs.

BELIEVE me I try to stay off that site as much as possible. I was just up early and went through all my forum sites and nothing was going on. Although the idea really isn't horrible in my opinion. Now..the guy could just be making too much of a big deal about it. I can literally go to every class forum and someone has a thread about a nerf. I sometimes wonder if people understand the game and/or their class.

On the other hand I guess with the expansion raiding won't be nearly as much of an issue if I'm understand it right considering the PvP rewards you can buy. I know the gear in raiding will be better (nobody knows how much better) but I guess you could have a pure PvE char for that. Personally..I play games to PvP 80% of the time.

Edited, Nov 29th 2006 12:32am by Wysh

I was thinking along the lines that it wouldn't be free. Maybe cost 5 or 10 or even 15 gold each time to switch between 2 specs but not the 30g and 40g that respecs cost now after few of those(or this is the impression I have, please correct me if it is more/less) and it would only be doable at your class trainer.

I would like to have different specs for pvp and pve, since I play Shaman and Druids, which 'are forced to' resto endgame(NOTE: I am not high enough to attend endgame, and I know its not a MUST to respec, but it helps immensely).

But this is just IMO.


EDIT: Also just wanted to add. Even thought I would love the idea of 2 specs to switch inbetween, I'm still gonna go with resto Druid to pvp, to bug the HELL out of opposing team.

Edited, Nov 29th 2006 4:22am by Mimickins

So very very true... even for DD classes it's amazing what a proper pure PVE spec will do vs a pure PVP or even a hybrid PVE/PVP spec. Prep rogues are terrible compared to combat rogues. Combustion mages dominate the damage meters while elementalists struggle to keep up. NF/SL locks vs SM/Ruin or NF/Conflag? No contest.

And the gap only widens with healers.... moonkin druids, elemental mastery shamans, ret pallies, shadow priests... it's easy to think that as an individual you can get by by not speccing for raiding, but the difference between 40 people with PVP specs and 40 people with PVE specs is pretty astounding, especially since the topend encounters already often require mass consumables to make them conquerable.

Given that I always have played DPS classes, having to balance PVE vs PVP in my spec has never been a huge problem; I've gotten by making small sacrifices when I can and respeccing to pure PVE specs only when we get to extremely challenging encounters. But for healers, speccing for healing is far more restrictive with regards to PVP and I can understand why they would like it changed.

In reality though, my hope is just that Blizzard doesn't raise the max cap on respecs past 50g, even as the expansion comes out. Given that gold will be far easier to attain (as we work towards 5000g epic flying mounts!), it will mean that respec costs will still be irritating but less preventative like they are now.

Speaking of gold being "easier" in BC. Does anyone actually know by any chance how much faster gold is attained? I've "heard" it's not bad at all. I think someone said figure in the gold per hour you make now and it basically doubles in BC. Supposedly most of the monsters have decent drops..*shrug*.

I always end up at 50g respecs quickly on my characters and still spend absurd amounts of respeccing.

Why?

Because for certain classes (especially damage classes), each tree has completely different "feel" to it and respeccing can make your character feel fresh and interesting again :) There's usually only 1 or 2 optimal raid builds but many effective PVP builds; so for those that only PVP, there are still many reasons they want to respec.

Also, my understanding from reading about Beta is that grinding for your epic flying mount from 60-70 is similar to grinding for your regular epic mount from 1-60; this would suggest that the gold increase is pretty substantial. I am hoping this is true so that respecs at 70 will be the equivalent of 10-20g now... which would be much more manageable =)

That's nice for non-tanking warriors...

Play a resto druid and see how fun PvP is. :P

lol i know and PvE specced (ie healbots) pallies, shammies and priests arent much better tbh.