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#1 Nov 27 2006 at 8:46 AM Rating: Good
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Recently I choose to transfer a level 35 Priest to a friend’s server to join an End-Game progression guild with the intent of raiding (MC/BWL) when I hit 60. Now within the last 2 weeks we have seen many changes in the guild such as 3 GM changes and with that the main focus of the guild -> Progression to Hardcore. Without really going into further details since I feel it isn’t prudent I decided to leave due to irreconcilable differences. Now because of this I am without a home.

So now I am 55, a Priest, and have no guild. To some this is a bad thing but to others it could be a blessing. Some have told me I should hit 60 and apply to a hardcore guild and get geared quickly “because Priests are always needed.” But I am thinking that maybe that wouldn’t be the best course of action. With BC two months away and the whole aspect of smaller raid instances being released maybe it wouldn’t be worth joining a huge raiding guild but maybe a smaller guild focusing on 20-man material. Plus how do you make sure your Priest finds the right home and isn’t taken advantage of?

On Eonar with my Mage I was lucky and didn’t have to research or prove myself to the guild I have been with for the last 14 months. I just hit 60 and my friend and I were extended an invite and the rest was history. With the Priest it is all new territory for me and when I research guild sites they want so much information and your first born and I have no idea what’s worth their time for me to even apply. What do you guys suggest I should do with my Priest to 1. Gear him up (Tier 0, Tier 1, ZG, AQ, whatever) 2. How to look for a good home and 3. Make sure you are getting abused in the process.

Thank you for your time.
#2 Nov 27 2006 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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With the Priest it is all new territory for me and when I research guild sites they want so much information and your first born and I have no idea what’s worth their time for me to even apply.


no offense, but if filling out an online application is too much work for you, end game raiding may not be an ideal choice.

It takes a whole 10 minutes to fill out most applications and provide a link to either gear and/or talent spec.

I wouldn't bother applying until you hit 60 though, as you can clearly see end game guilds start/end/change fairly often.

Edited, Nov 27th 2006 12:19pm by TseTsuo
#3 Nov 27 2006 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent
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how exactly would they abuse you?

just run strat/scholo/dm ad nauseum. and ubrs. get in lots of ubrs runs. all teh top guilds still run ubrs to get (alts) attuned for bwl.

if you do a good job you'll get more ginvites than you can handle.
#4 Nov 27 2006 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
There are a lot of changes going on in the Alliance endgame guilds on Eitrigg...my kid plays there and also has some comments. Kid's in Legends of Azeroth, I think. Sounds rough.
Look up Floritia on there. Flo's an uber healer. heh
Hope you're not friends with Olof...I'll never hear the end of it.

-T.
#5 Nov 27 2006 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
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I dont see this personally as a bad thing, a good priest is hard to come by, and pug's are always running. You could easily obtain your starter sets, and with the exansion only 1 1/2 months away you will easily be able to find a guild with the sole intention of leveling to 70.

So no need to worry at this time. Just get some grouping in, learn the role of a healer (if you havent already, stare at other's life bars and watch aggro). Thats really about all.

Once the expansion comes out, search for a guild that needs a priest to level to 70 and go with that. Or even better yet, forget about it, guilds are too much drama as it is already.
#6 Nov 27 2006 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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no offense, but if filling out an online application is too much work for you, end game raiding may not be an ideal choice.

It takes a whole 10 minutes to fill out most applications and provide a link to either gear and/or talent spec.


Ok I wrote that wrong. I meant more in the sense I have seen a lot of sites ask you to write what your stats are in different types of gear including HP/Mana changes. My comment was more to the fact that once I hit 60 I know that my gear wouldn't offer them anything and if they asked for that much info why would they want a new 60? They seem to want a more geared toon (Tier1/Tier2).

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how exactly would they abuse you?


Another mis-used word by me. I meant more jumping through hoops to just get invited. I understand a trail period and I understand they don't want people to run off with loot but what is considered a normal trial period? I would hate to think that you have to run +10 raids with no way to gain DKP or even see some loot for your efforts.

Yeah after reading your posts I do agree that running the 5/10-mans would be the best bet for me. This would allow me to learn my class better and also to hopefully allow me to start building a good rep as a Priest. Tepetkhet I will keep an eye out for Floritia. Thanks for the input.
#7 Nov 27 2006 at 11:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wales wrote:
Some have told me I should hit 60 and apply to a hardcore guild and get geared quickly “because Priests are always needed.” But I am thinking that maybe that wouldn’t be the best course of action. With BC two months away and the whole aspect of smaller raid instances being released maybe it wouldn’t be worth joining a huge raiding guild but maybe a smaller guild focusing on 20-man material. Plus how do you make sure your Priest finds the right home and isn’t taken advantage of?


The main ways you can learn if a guild is right for you is by talking to a lot of their members, and listening in on raids. You have to remember that even though the spac raids are only 25-man, most of the current 20-man guilds are really laid back and won't get to the 25-man raids for a while, because they need to wait until even the slowest of their members gets to 70.

Wales wrote:
On Eonar with my Mage I was lucky and didn’t have to research or prove myself to the guild I have been with for the last 14 months. I just hit 60 and my friend and I were extended an invite and the rest was history. With the Priest it is all new territory for me and when I research guild sites they want so much information and your first born and I have no idea what’s worth their time for me to even apply.


I have only applied to one guild while in WoW. My Mage/Warlock were kinda grandfathered in to a guild by helping create one, which wound up going on to be a high end guild. My warrior just joined one that was spam /yelling in Ironforge and wound up going on to be high end again. I just recently left that guild, though, and had to apply.

I found the server I liked, I found the guilds that I liked (pretty hardcore raiding guilds, because that's what I like), and narrowed it down to the one that seemed most appealing to me.

They said they are absolutely closed to Warriors. Like some minor detail like that is going to stop me after the time I spent.

So I typed up an application. I spent around 3 hours typing it up. I answered every question they had, every question they didn't have, and many questions they hadn't even thought of. I displayed my knowledge of my class and other classes while raiding, backed up with a large number of leveled characters. I topped it all off with the guildmaster of the guild I was leaving specifically making an account on their forum to post their support of me getting in.

Warrior recruitment wasn't closed after that, and I got accepted.

Wales wrote:
What do you guys suggest I should do with my Priest to 1. Gear him up (Tier 0, Tier 1, ZG, AQ, whatever) 2. How to look for a good home and 3. Make sure you are getting abused in the process.

Thank you for your time.


I would say #2 is the primary goal. Gear WILL get replaced. If you can find a good home with people that have similar outlooks as you and have a compatable time for raids/grouping/PvPing/whatever-you-like, go for it, and don't let anything stop you. If you have to sit on the bench, sit on the bench, and make sure that people see that you're there and ready.



After all, if I can apply to, and get in to a guild that already has 8 core warriors with 80%+ attendance, anything's possible. :)
#8 Nov 27 2006 at 11:57 AM Rating: Decent
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I only play a priest now because I like to help people (seriously) and I like being in demand. If you are a nice person and easy to work with (quiet and patient), you will get on people's friend lists and have all kinds of opportunity. If you are good at what you do, there is always room at the top. Most guilds are smart enough to gear up their healers because everyone knows that you keep them alive. Mages and warlocks get second choice of gear unless they founded the guild (in which case, there are more guilds to consider).

At 55, I would run PUGs on the instances and pay attention to who plays well and is nice and what guilds have the good players. Then ask to join and see how it goes. You will find a winner.
#9 Nov 27 2006 at 1:28 PM Rating: Good
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Ok I wrote that wrong. I meant more in the sense I have seen a lot of sites ask you to write what your stats are in different types of gear including HP/Mana changes. My comment was more to the fact that once I hit 60 I know that my gear wouldn't offer them anything and if they asked for that much info why would they want a new 60? They seem to want a more geared toon (Tier1/Tier2).


Usually it's to make sure you didn't hit 60 and still have 90% greens from level 30. Being 60 and in say full Tier 0 means you put an effort into getting your gear and aren't relying on joining a guild with MC on farm just to gear you up.

It's not the gear itself they want to see, it's the effort you put into getting said gear. IT may not be Tier 0, maybe it's full knight captains or something, either way it shows the extra effort you are willing to put in.
#10 Nov 28 2006 at 12:35 AM Rating: Decent
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run the blue instances for t0 or better gear. you will meet people on the way. if some nice players invite you to their guild, join. if you have run some pugs with them and they invite you, it's a good start. they won't invite someone they think is a bad player or has inadequate gear (or they really like you/your skill and don't mind the gear) and if you like them, you can accept.
don't sweat it too much, it'll happen.
it's best to make these connections on the way, not just by standing in if waiting to get picked up.
you can make yourself more of an asset by trying to farm up some fire, nature, frost resist gear, depending on the progression of the guild you want to join.

if you're just in it for the gear, joining a raid guild now is not much good. by the time you're in naxx, bc will be nearly here and your t1 will become obsolete soon. some t2 and t3 won't, but i doubt the new guild will kit you out in less than 2 months.
if you're in it for the fun and seeing new content, go ahead. if you prove yourself, you'll well on your way to 70 with above-average gear and some raiding buddies for lvl70.

about the trial period and dkp:
we have a trial period of a 2-4 weeks. during that time, new players earn dkp, but are not allowed to spend it. if an item will be disenchanted, it may go to the new player.
now, if they do eventually join, they have all the dkp they earned during the trial period fully credited and are now allowed to spend it. no loss to them, they just had to wait a bit. if they don't become full members, they leave with maybe the occasional item, but no harm done to the guild.
maybe you can work something like this out?

sorry, came out a bit long =)
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