I have just joined a guild and have a few questions about the status points.
I know you need to be a patron for staus points to go into affect, but if you become a patron do any points you have become active, or only those you earned after you become a patron?
If the guild falls apart or you leave, do you get to transfer the pointto another guild or are they lost?
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I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by "go into effect" but I'll take a stab at this...
When you complete a task, there are 2 kinds of status earned. You can potentially recieve both personal status and guild status.
Even if you are not a guild member, you will receive personal status every time you complete a task that would earn status. Examples of this are wholesaler tasks and status loot turn-in.
You will not be able to spend these points until you are guilded but they will be banked for you.
Once you are guilded, you will also be able to aquire and complete guild writs. completeing these wil earn you personal status even if you are not a patron.
As a patron, completing writs will still earn you personal status but in addition, that same status reward will be factored and added to guild status to help level the guild.
There is no retroactive application of status points to the guild if you turn patron after you begin to earn. What you did before you becme a patron does not benefit the guild.
If you leave or the guild disbands, your personal status is unaffected but what you did for them stays with them and can not be transfered to your next guild.
(WHEW!)
Now, in mid September, they will push LU13, (along with DoF) to the servers and all that will change... sort of!
At that point, there will be no more patrons, (poof), and everyone will be able to contribute to guild status by doing writs. The math will change, but everyone will be able to help.
Is that what you meant?
When you complete a task, there are 2 kinds of status earned. You can potentially recieve both personal status and guild status.
Even if you are not a guild member, you will receive personal status every time you complete a task that would earn status. Examples of this are wholesaler tasks and status loot turn-in.
You will not be able to spend these points until you are guilded but they will be banked for you.
Once you are guilded, you will also be able to aquire and complete guild writs. completeing these wil earn you personal status even if you are not a patron.
As a patron, completing writs will still earn you personal status but in addition, that same status reward will be factored and added to guild status to help level the guild.
There is no retroactive application of status points to the guild if you turn patron after you begin to earn. What you did before you becme a patron does not benefit the guild.
If you leave or the guild disbands, your personal status is unaffected but what you did for them stays with them and can not be transfered to your next guild.
(WHEW!)
Now, in mid September, they will push LU13, (along with DoF) to the servers and all that will change... sort of!
At that point, there will be no more patrons, (poof), and everyone will be able to contribute to guild status by doing writs. The math will change, but everyone will be able to help.
Is that what you meant?
Yeah that answered my questions. Thanks, I just wanted a better understanding on how they worked. If the new way allows all members to contribute with out the same penalties does sound like a better system.
Picture this:
I hope I got the math right.
A guild with 50 members (30 accounts + alts) has 12 Patrons. A Patron does an HQ and gets Guild Status Points, lets say, 30000 GSP.
Now: Guild Status awarded is divided by the number of Patrons.
After LU: Guild Status is divided by the number of accounts. 6 being lowest, 24 being highest.
Now: 30000 / 12 = 2500
After LU: 30000 / 24 = 1250
This would mean 2 things...knock out those HQ's now! ...and...
Expect guilds to trim those inactive accounts in a way never seen before.
Here's the other side:
Guild with 5 members, 12 Patrons (some alts are Patrons).
Now: 30000 / 12 = 2500
After LU: 30000 / 6 = 5000
Now THAT can mean only 1 thing...don't finish the HQ's yet!
Standing by to get nailed with flying calculators.
I hope I got the math right.
A guild with 50 members (30 accounts + alts) has 12 Patrons. A Patron does an HQ and gets Guild Status Points, lets say, 30000 GSP.
Now: Guild Status awarded is divided by the number of Patrons.
After LU: Guild Status is divided by the number of accounts. 6 being lowest, 24 being highest.
Now: 30000 / 12 = 2500
After LU: 30000 / 24 = 1250
This would mean 2 things...knock out those HQ's now! ...and...
Expect guilds to trim those inactive accounts in a way never seen before.
Here's the other side:
Guild with 5 members, 12 Patrons (some alts are Patrons).
Now: 30000 / 12 = 2500
After LU: 30000 / 6 = 5000
Now THAT can mean only 1 thing...don't finish the HQ's yet!
Standing by to get nailed with flying calculators.
You are most of the way there but I think you missed a variable... (I did too at first!)
Since after LU13 any guildie can contribute to GSP, I think many people who were not patrons will choose to do writs even if they did not before.
Using my guild as an example, lately, we have just about been running a tram service to Varsoon! There are so many 25-30s who want to XP there that we usually have a group in the zone. Now since most of the lvl 25 - 30 writs are for Varsoon, we should be making bank there come September since currently, 1 or 2 of these people is a patron but after LU13, all of them will be!
See my point? Even with the smaller split, I think we'll be making more forward progress.
As another example, I tend to crank out 3-5 T/S writs a week for the Ironforge Family. The money is good and the crafting XP is great! At teir 3, they are worth about 2300 points to me. Since I am not a patron (we have 12), the GSP is lost and only I benefit. Come September, that will not be the case.
Since after LU13 any guildie can contribute to GSP, I think many people who were not patrons will choose to do writs even if they did not before.
Using my guild as an example, lately, we have just about been running a tram service to Varsoon! There are so many 25-30s who want to XP there that we usually have a group in the zone. Now since most of the lvl 25 - 30 writs are for Varsoon, we should be making bank there come September since currently, 1 or 2 of these people is a patron but after LU13, all of them will be!
See my point? Even with the smaller split, I think we'll be making more forward progress.
As another example, I tend to crank out 3-5 T/S writs a week for the Ironforge Family. The money is good and the crafting XP is great! At teir 3, they are worth about 2300 points to me. Since I am not a patron (we have 12), the GSP is lost and only I benefit. Come September, that will not be the case.
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Now: Guild Status awarded is divided by the number of Patrons.
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Now: 30000 / 12 = 2500
Then how come a guild gets less exp with 11 patrons? Shouldn't they get more?
Now: A large guild will have more people doing writs, but the maximum it will be divided will be 24. So a guild with 50 writ-doers will not have their writs divided by 50...it will be divided by 24.
In the long run, that will be good because you will have sheer numbers of writs being pounded out, advancing the guild.
The current system has your writs being divided by the number of patrons, but no less than 12. For the LU, that number will be reduced to 6.
That will benefit smaller guilds with fewer accounts, but they will not have as many people to do writs.
So while the large guild pumps out thousands of writs for small amounts points, a small guild gets a big bank for each writ.
The two effectively equal each other, which was probably the intent of the system.
I frequently pick up 4 writs, 2 for Lavastorm and 2 for Everfrost. I usually knock out 2-3 rounds of that before doing other things. I get about 3400 points per writ. We're a small guild with only 3 players in that level category, so we can't be a writ-factory as other larger guilds.
That's ok though. We get satisfaction as the little writ-engine that could, slowly advancing. We're steadily approaching 19. I was thinking I'd get a good horse at 20, but I think my limited cash will go to spell upgrades.
...which brings me to...
Medium horse = about 4pp (400 gold)
1 SoW Totem with 5 charges = 1gp (I've found cheaper)
1 Medium Horse = 400 SoW totems, or 2000 charges. hmm...
In the long run, that will be good because you will have sheer numbers of writs being pounded out, advancing the guild.
The current system has your writs being divided by the number of patrons, but no less than 12. For the LU, that number will be reduced to 6.
That will benefit smaller guilds with fewer accounts, but they will not have as many people to do writs.
So while the large guild pumps out thousands of writs for small amounts points, a small guild gets a big bank for each writ.
The two effectively equal each other, which was probably the intent of the system.
I frequently pick up 4 writs, 2 for Lavastorm and 2 for Everfrost. I usually knock out 2-3 rounds of that before doing other things. I get about 3400 points per writ. We're a small guild with only 3 players in that level category, so we can't be a writ-factory as other larger guilds.
That's ok though. We get satisfaction as the little writ-engine that could, slowly advancing. We're steadily approaching 19. I was thinking I'd get a good horse at 20, but I think my limited cash will go to spell upgrades.
...which brings me to...
Medium horse = about 4pp (400 gold)
1 SoW Totem with 5 charges = 1gp (I've found cheaper)
1 Medium Horse = 400 SoW totems, or 2000 charges. hmm...
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That's ok though. We get satisfaction as the little writ-engine that could, slowly advancing.
Yes and we all know how that story ended...
I think I can, I think I can... I know I can, I know I can... I knew I could, I knew I could... HEART ATTACK, HEART ATTACK!!!
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...which brings me to...
Medium horse = about 4pp (400 gold)
1 SoW Totem with 5 charges = 1gp (I've found cheaper)
1 Medium Horse = 400 SoW totems, or 2000 charges. hmm...
Medium horse = about 4pp (400 gold)
1 SoW Totem with 5 charges = 1gp (I've found cheaper)
1 Medium Horse = 400 SoW totems, or 2000 charges. hmm...
That statement is absolutely true and accurate. However, horses are Sooooo cool, while riding around on a little gray totem... Ummm... maybe not so much...
Edited, Mon Aug 8 17:32:10 2005 by OldBlueDragon
I believe they're also going to change it so you can only do one writ at a time, not multiple writs on the same grouped mobs. 
Bluie, I think they already changed that in one of the latest patches. Writs involving Pioneers and frostfins I believe.
What I'm wondering is if, when LU13 goes through, will some guilds actually gain or lose xp, similar to the way they did with LU12? Some of that xp gain/loss was from a bad reporting error in the xp code, but some of it wasn't. I always worry when SOE does a change involving any kind of divisor, as it always seems to go a little wonky.
As far as trimming the fat, I hope most guilds elect not to do this, particularly if they are way over the 24 unique accounts. EQ2 is about having a good time, building teamwork and friendships, and getting to acomplish your goals, with or without others helping. I personally love doing writs and HQ's, but many in my guild couldn't be bothered. That's why I was made a patron and they weren't. Now that every guildmate will have an impact, i don't wont those who don't want to do writs be punished because that isn't their cup of tea. We'll all reach lvl30 at some point, and from talking to some friends who have attained lvl30, it really isn't that big a deal. Not to down play all their hard work on such a daunting task, but they have all told me it really was a let down, and nothing has really changed for them. Sure they can buy the flying carpet or spirit horse, but the coolness of that wore off very quickly. Lvl30 is a goal, but it's not The Goal. I hope most guilds remember this.
What I'm wondering is if, when LU13 goes through, will some guilds actually gain or lose xp, similar to the way they did with LU12? Some of that xp gain/loss was from a bad reporting error in the xp code, but some of it wasn't. I always worry when SOE does a change involving any kind of divisor, as it always seems to go a little wonky.
As far as trimming the fat, I hope most guilds elect not to do this, particularly if they are way over the 24 unique accounts. EQ2 is about having a good time, building teamwork and friendships, and getting to acomplish your goals, with or without others helping. I personally love doing writs and HQ's, but many in my guild couldn't be bothered. That's why I was made a patron and they weren't. Now that every guildmate will have an impact, i don't wont those who don't want to do writs be punished because that isn't their cup of tea. We'll all reach lvl30 at some point, and from talking to some friends who have attained lvl30, it really isn't that big a deal. Not to down play all their hard work on such a daunting task, but they have all told me it really was a let down, and nothing has really changed for them. Sure they can buy the flying carpet or spirit horse, but the coolness of that wore off very quickly. Lvl30 is a goal, but it's not The Goal. I hope most guilds remember this.
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