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You used to be able to charm someone on good faction with the Priest of Discord and send them to attack something only to have the Priest assist you in killing. You didn't get experience or loot for this, but it caused all kinds of hell on PVP servers way back.

The Priest of Discord was made unattackable with the release of OoW, as he is used to transport you to the content.

Back in the day when you died and couldnt get to your corpse you could consent an alt on the same account to drag it for you.I'm not sure if this still works as there is no need for that anymore with the GL summon.

Fansy was great. But even after reading his site I never could quite figure out what he did. I know that being level 5 originally you couldn't be attacked in any zone on Sullon Zek. (As a result of Fansy's actions they changed this rule so it only applied in noobie zones.) But I'm unclear on exactly what he did. I know he aggro'd a bunch of giants and then trained higher-level "evils" who were xping in the zone. But did he die himself in the process? Bards can't feign death, not at level 5 at least, so I'm guessing he died every time and didn't care since he was only level 5 anyway.

Sippin, at level 5 bards get selos which makes them the fastest runners in the game. Fansy simply used selos to outrun most of the mobs. If he did get caught, yes he died, no exp loss no corpse recovery to worry about.

Not really that hard though. IIRC, the FoH webpage used to have a map with a specific route that you could run to do this. You also have to remember that most of the camps in Oasis are (were?) essentially a very short run from the N. Ro zoneline. All you had to do was get a gaggle of giants or spectres following you, then run north right through someone's camp and just keep going to the zoneline.

Also, agro stays around even if you weren't initially the one agroed. So if I train a ton of stuff through (or just near) your camp, you wont get agro, because presumably I've got more then you. However, just by coming in proximity of a KoS mob, you're now on that mob's agro list. If I FD, or zone, the mob will lose interest in me, and proceed to run to and attack whoever is next on the list. That'll be some hapless person I ran past, perhaps even some time ago.


This phenomenon used to occur pretty commonly in that zone even without someone trying to do it. Someone would accidentally get a spectre on them. He'd run to the zoneline, but run past/through some other people along the way. Quite often, those people wouldn't even realize it, or would mistakenly think that since the spectre's didn't agro on them that they were safe. The first person would zone, and then the spectres would float back and start killing people. Those people would run to the zoneline, often training them through yet another group. Rinse repeat. Today, we have that OOC regen indicator to tell us if we've got agro anywhere. Also mobs will lose interest if they go a significant distance away. Back then, those didn't exist. It was quite possible for a mob to have put you on its agro list 20 minutes ago, but since it's been running around in some other part of the zone killing other players, you didn't know. Not until it and a bunch of friends suddenly slam into your camp.


It was incredibly easy to do this sort of training back then. And Oasis was famous for it, exactly because it was a popular spot for folks in their mid teens to 20ish to hunt, and there were always a number of mid 30s level mobs floating around. Put those in the same zone, and chaos can ensue...

It is still possible to consent an alt and then log and do the CR (Corpse Rcovery) with your alt. I do it all the time when I am not on my main server. My characters on other servers all are extremely cash poor, and a guild lobby summon is beyond their meager means. So I consent an alt that has hide and sneak or inviz and sometimes levi and do the CR. It is an incredibly handy trick.

It is also useful if said character is on a quest, and deep in dangerous territory. Having an alt do the CR allows dead character to pick up where they left off. This works if you aren't horribly concerned about rezzing, although there is a time window where the corpse is still viable for a rez, I believe.

I've always just assumed it had something to do with the social aggro (or lack of) in the situations as you describe, Sippin.

Perfect example happend on saturday.
I ran from acheva and picked up mobs. Yelled out train, but due to sow outran the mobs and lost the combat/aggro indicator.
Sat down to bind wounds at ME zone line, amid a large amount of mob corpses. A ranger there said "Watch this" after I had announced that I had lost aggro and no mobs would be chasing me. Next thing I now a froglok runs by me followed by about 30 mobs then even more mobs show up. I start running only to be stunned and killed. I hadnt had sit aggro the mobs just picked on me after the frog puller and the ranger zoned. Must have been most of the zone.
Point is they were all kos and I was in there radius. They started attacking me before the ranger who was grouped with the froglok zoned. DOnt know if the puller had zoned already howeve.

Responding to mob aggro behavior:

I often play three accounts at once. Occasionally I will expend too much mana on one of my characters and decide to sit out a part of or the entire next pull. Most often, I can sit and med uniterrupted in OOC while the other two are working. Only sometimes do the mobs recognize the resting character's presence.

When any type of AOE is cast *and the resting character gets hit*, I am on the mobs list. There are a few other circumstances where my resting character will be on the list from doing nothing. I think it has more to do with adds recognizing her presence than with the pulled mob. Only reason the add doesn't engage the resting character is I am beating up his friend.

Edited, Apr 1st 2008 10:11am by sprucecln

Gee I thought the tradeskill trophies in the ammo slot will give stats. I dont have any so cant say for sure.

Aaaaaaaand coming in way late and dead last...



I have firsthand experience with this, although it is indeed rare. When I was raising baby toons from around 30 to 45 in Echo Caverns (high side), one of them was a Cleric. Of course, the best camp was the Taskmaster's camp, and that required a little bit of finnesse if your group wasn't ready to take on 8 or 9 mobs at once.

Two times I can recall, I attempted to pacify one of the skeletons, and agro'd the whole room from what was otherwise WELL out of agro range.

I also remember a lovely little problem with that room, which leads me into my own Did You Know?...

Did you know that killing everything in the taskmaster's room in Echo Caverns has a small (but deadly) chance to spawn Xilniov, a level 55 enchanter with the obnoxious tendency to charm young rangers and use them to murder the entire group that's foolish enough to stick around?

Yeah. We've hashed this issue out many times on this forum. My current working theory is that the critical fail chance is derived based on the relative level of the caster to the base spell, and perhaps also related to the level of the mob it's being cast on. This sorta makes sense, since this is how resists are calculated. When you cast a spell there's some comparison of your level/skill with the spell type you are casting and the level of the spell. Then there's a roll. Based on the roll you either fail (fizzle), or succeed. If you succeed, the level of success (carry over of the roll for instance) is then applied to some comparison between your level and the mob's level (with appropriate resistance factors applied as well), this then determines if you get a full or partial effect.


This used to be really obvious when using root spells. Lots of casters would continue to use root in preference to newer versions purely because while the potential total duration was shorter, their odds of getting the full duration with root (a level 4 spell) was much higher then using a higher level spell. Seems counterintuitive, but that is the way the spell system works in EQ. It's also why wizards will often continue to use their older nukes for a level or so after getting a new one. While the max damage is higher, you'll get a lot more partial damage effects using the brand new one. Let me also note that this effect largely does not apply to the post 60 levels. They re-adjusted spells and skills in that range, so it's always better to get the newest spell (there may be some exceptions though).


When you look at the paladin paci spells, they get three:

Soothe: Level 5 cleric spell. Gained by paladins at level 25.
Calm: Level 15 cleric spell. Gained by paladins at level 43.
Pacify: Level 36 cleric spell. Gained by paladins at level 49.


The point is that every paladin paci spells is at least 20 levels "old" by the time they get it. That's going to dramatically affect their chance to fail, and to critical fail. Additionally, soothe only affects mobs up to level 40, calm up to level 50, and pacify up to level 55. What that means is that a cleric could be attempting to use calm or soothe on mobs as much as 35 levels higher then them. That's *also* going to have a huge effect on fails and crit fails.



It's interesting that everyone who says that they've seen this is either a cleric, chanter, or a druid. As I've said many many times. I play a paladin, and have *never* seen this happen. I really do suspect it has something to do with relative levels of caster, spell, and mob.


Oh. And the spell information is also a "do you know?" bit as well... :)



On that same subject. Did you know that if you fear the taskmaster, he'll run down the hallway and to the zone line between EC and SH? He'll then sit there trying to run through the zone line while you beat on his backside. Probably a technical exploit, but not my fault. I needed his organs and using spook the dead made it a lot easier to kill him. I usually got him down most of the way before he made it all that distance, it was just funny to note that instead of running around in other directions, he just smooshed into the zone line.