Dumb LFG observationFollow

Before you go judging the tanks and clerics too rough that have lots of hp or mana, you should know where they come from. Nearly 60% of all group invites for my 70sk and my 70clr are started off with "what's your hp/ac" or "what's you mana/mana regen". When tanks/clr's finally get those numbers up I can see why they would in turn be more picky with groups they join. Why would a 13/14k hp tank want to group with a 68(pick class) with 14 aa's when they have earned the ability to tank anywhere in the game.

Well, just to add my 2 cents, it is certainly possible to get 100+ AAs before 65 as a tank. It takes some work yes, and is very frustrating. I was a "casual play" Shadow Knight and didn't even join a raid guild till level 70 with 250+ AAs. I felt the tank curse of not being able to tank in the high end game without the AAs and gear, but I am telling you...despite all the pain and suffering, it is all well worth it.

No, I could not solo past 61 (this was before the days of the new fear spells) so don't give me that SK can solo phooey. I tanked in groups from 62-70 with about 20 AAs at level 61 to start. By 65, I had about 120 AAs before I went to 70. And yes, people gave me a lot of crap, people would not group with me, and I could not tank anything past LDoN, Sebilious or Droga for a long while, where the xp sucks. I was referred to as a 'suck' tank...judged by my low hps.

But, despite all the bull, I fought through it, got better gear through LDoN, to OoW, to Cultural...and now, I DON'T EVEN PUT MY LFG TAG UP. All I have to do is log in and be unanon for about 5 minutes, and people start sending me tells. With the tank curse above, comes a shortage of tanks that can tank MPG, the Nest, GOD,RSS, and pretty much all the new expansion..so all you got to do is make it over the hump, then the groups will come to you. You will develop a reputation, and they will seek you out. Your reputation is gold. Then YOU can be picky if you so choose.

I am telling you tanks, if you suck, except it, work on it..if someone gives you a tell to come tank MPG, be honest and tell them "sorry, I can't tank that yet". WORK THOSE AAs...get all the Defensive/HP/Mitigation/Avoidance AAs pre-OoW to start, then work up from there (this is probably about 100 or so AAs, which makes that guys estimate above pretty right on). I am telling you, it is certainly possible without a raid guild and without sacrificing your real-life. I didn't believe it myself...I was even a whiner too. But...I am on the other side now, and the grass DOES taste sweeter

Finally, don't shun druids as healers. In my experience, they make damn fine healers sub MPG...and the ones I played with didn't have a lot of AAs either. Sure cleric is ideal, but if there is none to group with you cause you suck, hook up with a druid....they are just as desperate for xp as you probably.

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i hope this was sarcastic:

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I think I know why your LFG for 4 hours at a time Razzy. Its because your a beastlord. Beastlords fill a very small role and thanks to SoE that will always be, face the fact that we will always be that way. If you don't want to be LFG all the time, be a Shaman, everyone wants shamans with their Wunshi and Fort and super slows.

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when i form groups, i will pick a BL over a shaman everytime. you get the slows, as well as an extra two tanks. best duo i ever do is with a BL in my guild, we have duoed creator task, MM task. killed the named croc in PoE (that was before we were lvl 70 even) BL ROCK!!! IMO

i might be concidered one of those prema donna's. i am very picky these days with who i group with. you get sick after awile grouping with toons that got to lvl 70 with no gear and no aa, that think they can go anyplace. it gets disheartning. it is one of the reasons i tend to rather solo then do pick-up groups these days.

however, if i am off soloing, and i decide to go LFG i will leave the lfg tag up, if i recieve a tell, i will ask:

ME: is the group full? if it isn't, i will take lfg off, and keep soloing, send me a tell when it is full and i can be there fast.

most times they reply
THEM: will do

you see, too many times, what is described in the above post happen, the group falls apart right as you get there, or 30 min later. and just wasted my time going to the meeting place. so i will continue what i am doing, then go when they are ready.

Well actually, I am usually playing my Cleric for exp, and the 4 hours lfg is for both, I usually put lfg up as "or 69 beastlord" and it seems quite odd that no one would need a healer OR slower.

I use the LFG option quite a bit. I 3 box a 68 necro, 67 cleric and 67 Beast. I use it to find other people that want to fill in slots while I mess around. Unless I'm doing something really difficult or specific I don't even need anyone else, but company is nice.

I'm amazed at the amount of people with the LFG flag up that are so picky they don't want to join at all. For instance if I'm doing a Creator kite mission, most won't join. I can 3 box them in about 45 minutes and if all they do is toss a spell once in a while it's free exp and crystals, but it sounds out of the ordinary so they are unwilling to try it. I won't take anyone that asks if we have a tank/cleric/bard etc...

Conventional groups are fun but much can be done without them. The most fun I've ever had are pulling off things that most would never think about.

I think not knowing your class has a larger drain on the game than levels and AA points. If you are so hung up on the pristine group then keep your friends list full and turn LFG off. Most likely you aren't nearly what you think even you are.

Actually, thats not a surprose. First off, many people are flat out sick of creator missions. I only do them on occasion and only because I need drake claws from Thundercrest for a quest.

Many are also just reluctant to do it kite style because its not the "usual" way and as such is outside their comfort zone. Personally, I wouldn't mind doing it that way just to do something different, but being a paladin means if I am there we have a tank, not to mention Paladins arent very useful in kite groups. Only done creator that way once and was becasue cleric went LD and didn't get back until we were about to engage the Furious Sentry.

Good players spens less time being LFG. Simple reputation and friends goes a long way to getting groups.

This means that the consentration of less than competent players is pretty high in the LFG pool. Of course there are always some good players FG, but the consentration is not that high.

Forming a group of people LFG, you are likely to end up with a bag group, if you manage to form one at all. This is why a lot of people would rather wait for a spot in an existing well funtioning group, than go through the work of trying to put a group together, and risk it being awful. If you invite people to a group that turns out bad, it will also hurt your image. Just making a group, is not all that simple.

Also there are classes and levels that have much harder time finding groups. Dynamics of the game changes and so does the classes that have a hard time finding groups, but there will always be classes that are below average desireability. I just dinged 70 myself, and know how hard it can be to find a group in the late 60'ties

Listing Alts in the LFG tool is a good idea and should be considered by developers.

Edited, Wed Oct 12 12:20:44 2005 by Deloehne

When I play my bard or cleric, I turn LFG on and usually get tells within mins.

If I am playing other characters, I turn LFG on and then I start looking into the LFG list and making my own group.

Works ok most of the time, except some key role people take 40 mins to get to the meeting location (close to pok book, or off PoT whatever, they take forever to arrive for whatever reasons) and that makes other players loss patient and start leaving.

People sometimes ask tanks stats, because they are vital to the success of the group, and you simply cannot assume any level 70 sk will have sufficient stats to fill a required spot. If clerics needed some level of mana regen, or some size mana pool to actually be able to keep a tank healed, I am sure groups would be asking for those informations as well, or if you needed some uncommon mez spell for CC, and that was required for the task at hand, chanters would be asked if they have it.

I sometimes make groups, and i would only ask someone stats, if I though it was rquired information to determing if they could fill a certain role. I probably woulnt turn a 'soft' tank down if i had 2 spots left, but I would definatly go looking for one more tank, if I felt it was needed based on the info i had.

I just posted this in another thread, and am copying it here as i feel it is relevent



However, one problem my wifes pally and my shaman have are getting stuck between the rock of needing the equipment(armor for her spells/runes for me) and the hard place of being not invited to the group because we do not already have the equipment(armor for her spells/runes for me).

She is 65 with 75AA's, and still working on them, i am 67 with NO 66 and 67 spells cause the runes are so hard to get to drop, and the few times they have i lose the roll. I do however have 3 68th level runes.

As a bard I can do several roles sorta ok but because of that I maxed out LDR AA pretty quick as I seem to be putting grps together every day. I dont like to do something else while LFG. If I am LFG I am in a zone where I want to be and am searching the tool, checking whos on, ooc'ing, refreshing the lfg tool, etc. A couple times I wanted to farm more of the shrieking substances in hollowshade and I got a reply to my LFG on the tool and both times they were to far away places. Those two times I got kicked out of the group as I was taking too long to get there running at bard speed! Well, one time could have been because I said in group "You were joking about only inviting me to the group if I agree to let you have all the drops from the named at RSS statue right?" That dude immediatly kicked me out of the group before I even zoned in. I was about to leave if he said yes but I wanted the rest of the group to know what a drug dealer he was.
Many times ppl will ask details about the mission so now I often say "are you interested in DON Creator mission Kite group" or something like that if were not doing something traditional.
One dude seemed newbie'ish by his reply but I invited him anyway. Then when we were about to accept the DOD monster mission in Nektolous after we had all agreed on what type of orc to play, it said this guy didnt have DOD. I mentioned that in group-say and he replied that he thought we were doing a DON.
Often ppl will ask me specific details on our group makeup. I am patient enough to reply to one question such has if we have a cleric and a tank or who is the puller. But, when the dude who is lfg is asking me who is the tank, how much HP does he have, Does the slower have such-such spell, how many AA does the enchanter have, etc. I jus say forget it. I'm not selling my group like a car all wrapped up in a pretty bow and baloons with armor-all on the tires, I'm just getting one together. (Dumb-azz GM Saturn salesmen)
I appreciate honest ppl who say "Mezzing is tuff for me there" or "My AC is kinda low is that ok", or "Its very hard for me to pull singles there" and so on. Its when we get all set to go and accept a mission and get into it and the cleric is massively fast healing and HOT'ing the MT on the first mob. The tank barely survives the first mob and dies horribly on the 2nd mob after like 2 rounds. He obviously couldnt take the 1600-1800 hits from the mobs. The tank then tells us hes 'sorta' VT geared and cant hang here, then immediately declines a rez and summons his corpse to the GL and camps for the nite. That left us just standing there thinking how to add somebody to our mission in progress. We ended up winning it very unconventionally but it could have be much easier for this guy if he just said that mobs hitting him for 1800's was too much. We earlier asked if he could handle it as tank for the mission and he said sure NP.
Often ppl are asking for your AC/AA/HP etc because they know what will be successful and want to complete their goal, not because you are somehow inferior to them or useless as a person. Most all different missions or camps can handle a variety of classes or mix of ppl but some few take particular classes with specific skills or else its a total disaster.
I hardly ever turn down an invite myself. If I do its because somebody is saying "dude, we need you to pull chardok for us, were working our way to some awesome gear". Well, I'm lvl 70, hmm, light blues and low blues hmm, these guyz might start a train, hmm, "no thanks guyz, was hoping for a DON"