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#1 Sep 02 2005 at 11:47 AM Rating: Decent
I have a p4 1500 with with 512 ram and a 256meg video card and it works ok. I can 2-box with it but it's not pretty. Unfortunatly I cannot upgrade the ram as the motherboard can only support 512megs.

I'm looking for a new computer in the $1500-$2500 range. What kind of system would you recommend and where is the best place to purchase this? Btw, I only need the computer, I have a bunch of monitors.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.




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Just in case anyone is curious. I decided to go with a local business and have them custom build one for me. This is what I came up with:

P4 3.2ghz 640-64 bit lga775

Asus Vento 3600 - mid tower - ATX - Green

Asus ailife series p5wd2 premium mainboard atx i955x - lga775 socket - udma100, udma133, sata II (raid) - 2 x gigabit ethernet - firewire - HD Audio 8c

ATI Radeon x850 XT platinum edition

Corsair Value Select 2 - 1gig ram sticks, ddr2 667mhz pc2-5300

Plextor px-716al dvd+rw 16x/16x

2 - western digital caviar se 200gb hd's

1.44 floppy

Windows xp professional x64

1 year carry in warranty parts and labor
cost: $2034.00

I was thinking about doing the SLI and daisychaining 2 video boards but in the end it was more then I was willing to spend.



Edited, Wed Sep 21 13:35:23 2005 by Grimleaper
#2 Sep 02 2005 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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Do you want to buy componments and put them together DIY? If so, www.pricewatch.com for price checking.

with your price range, you can go top notch (well, high end anyway, avoid the very very new hardware, as they are at their very peak prices)

I would recommand an AMD Athlon64 3000+, a good quality motherboard with PCI-Express slot, and SATA (also look for good onboard sound and nic), 1G DDR ram (no real benefit to go over 1G, some tests even show over 1G slows down the system tiny bit), nVidia GeForce 6800/6600 PCI-E, couple SATA HDs if you aren't using the old ones, a DVD/CD ROM or writer if you want, a good case and 400W+ power supply.

That'll be around $800 - $1.2k range.

You can go for Intel CPU if you like, but stay with northwood core, avoid prescott.

If you are looking for a prebuilt system, either Dell (very low to no ability to upgrade), or alienware (expensive, but good quality startard hardware)
#3 Sep 02 2005 at 12:15 PM Rating: Good
Not sure if you are planning on building your own PC or not, but here's what I just built.

ASuS P5WD2 Premium $249.00
Geil 2GB DDR2-522 kit - 183.44 @ newegg.com
Pentium 4 Prescot 800Mhz FSB 3.2 Ghz - 210.00 @ newegg

core PC cost - $642.44

Sounds like your video card is OK, and if you have SATA drive you can prolly reuse those too. Newegg is my favorite place latley to order from. They have decent prices on most of their goods, the shipping is a little much IMHO, but the service is fast and outstanding!
#4 Sep 02 2005 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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If you don't mind paying a premium for a name, then these are kind of fun.

Or you can build it yourself. Some place like newegg.com has all the components, but you'll have to figure out what fits with what. The chassis is build by Shuttle.

For your price range, you can probably afford a PCI-Express 256MB video card like the NVIDIA 6800's. Go for the smaller 10K RPM SATA drive over more capacity at a slower speed. I wouldn't worry too much about the latest/greatest processor but make sure it has an 800MHz front side bus and is hyperthreading (dual core is better but not so common yet and not as cheap). A 3.0GHz hyperthreading is probably not so much worse than a 3.8GHz hyperthreading to justify the few hundred dollars. And 1GB dual-channel PC3200 RAM is probably fine. Maybe go for 2GB for two-boxing.
#5 Sep 02 2005 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
Nope, I don't want to build it.

Thanks for the replies.

#6 Sep 02 2005 at 12:20 PM Rating: Good
Then make sure you get a PC that has a PCI-e slot so you can upgrade the video card.
#7 Sep 02 2005 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
ASUS NF4 Ultra S939 ATX PCIE ASUS A8N-E good board about $129
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Socket 939 512K good cpu about $200
eVGA nVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT 256MB PCI-E realy good card $300
1GB DDR memory $125
good case with power supply $90
use the rest of the componets from your current unit you will have a real nice sys for under $875 inc Tax


#8 Sep 02 2005 at 12:49 PM Rating: Good
He doesn't want to build it.
#9 Sep 02 2005 at 12:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Check out some of your local small computer stores, Or PC Clubs if you have them close. Generic is the only way to go and a small mom-n-pop store will give you the best value. But try to do a little local research on the store before buying. Ask if they sell to any small local company's you can talk to.
#10 Sep 02 2005 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
PC CLUB will take you computer and add and swap for about $180 labor they give you a 90 warranty just like Alienware and you save $300-$400 bucks and still have your existing hard drive (no endless reloading of stuff or paying another $80 for transfer
#11 Sep 02 2005 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
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Given your comp specs as listed my thought is that you should go for a new motherboard with faster bus and room for more RAM and extra ram to take you to 1G. The rest sounds fine, nice vid card, more than fast enough processor.

If you want to buy a new comp so you can use both at same time then that is different. I would recommend Alienware.com
#12 Sep 02 2005 at 7:44 PM Rating: Decent
I plan on playing a single character on my exhisting computer and 2-boxing on the new computer.

I've been looking at alienware. What are your thoughts on this computer?

http://alienware.com/product_detail_pages/Area-51_7500/area-51_7500_specs.aspx?SysCode=PC-AREA51-7500-R1&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT

I know alienware is a bit more expensive then other sites. Do you have any other recomendations where I can buy a quality machine at a reasonable price?

Thanks for all your help so far. I really appreciate it.

#13 Sep 02 2005 at 8:01 PM Rating: Good
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I Smiley: inlove my Alienware.
#14 Sep 03 2005 at 8:56 AM Rating: Decent
If you aren't building it, buy a name brand like Dell or HP (Not Compaq though). Alienware you are paying a premium for the name not the hardware. IMO Buy a Dell, pay for the extended warranty. Buy it as a "small business" instead of home, their business support is actually good, their home support is all outsourced. The amount of money your are talking about will actually get you a really nice system plus a good sized LCD or a really kick butt system with no monitor if you already have one.

#15 Sep 03 2005 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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If you aren't building it, buy a name brand like Dell or HP (Not Compaq though). Alienware you are paying a premium for the name not the hardware.


IMO, HP is just as bad as Compaq. Dell is better, but it's still not the best option. You're paying for the name when you buy an Alienware, but you're also paying for flexibility. If your motherboard fries in the Alienware, you have a world of options with what to replace it with. They use standard cases. Dell uses proprietary case designs that limit what you can put in them, and if you buy a mobo from them, you can expect to pay almost double what you'd have to pay for a "normal" mobo with the exact same specs.

Other then the proprietary nature of Dells machines, they're decent. Toast is right about their support. Home support is all outsourced and it can be a nightmare trying to understand them (and for them to understand you in some cases). Just remember that the warranties don't protect you against "acts of God" (ie lightning) and lightning can travel through your cable modem even when your power cable isn't plugged into the outlet... [:oi:]
#16 Sep 03 2005 at 10:47 AM Rating: Good
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HP owns Compaq. So I bet a lot of their components and tech support are the same.

Edited, Sat Sep 3 11:51:53 2005 by JoltinJoe
#17 Sep 03 2005 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
Heck If your not giong to 2 box on one computer. You don't need to spend more than $800 or so on the whole package. I still believe you get more bang for your buck buying a really stable aftermarket MB and building your sys off of that. But since you are reluctant to build your own I would buy the cheapest Dell with a pci-e and then upgrade it with this card (256MB eVGA GeForce 6600 PCI-E (256-P2-N369) and 1 gig of DDR. I am sure that would work fine.

#18 Sep 03 2005 at 6:45 PM Rating: Decent
DELL DELL DELL DELL DELL DELL DELL DELL DELL DELL DELL>.. if you have acsess to military aafess.com ... than you can get there top gamin pc del xps somehitn for about 1400 with really good stats... actually probablly cheaper than that if you check back regularly ...I shopped and shopped and shopped for a new pc ... and Dell by far had the best value and options.

no gateway for me ... my old gateway is horrible
friends of mine own an aleinware ..they payed top dollar ..and my little dell is right on par with there alienware....

i would never ever go to best buy or walmart and jsut by a compaq hp or whatever they are selling ..just call dell ...
#19 Sep 03 2005 at 11:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Here's my experience with Dell. It may be an anomoly but do some research before you buy, I wish I had. I originally ordered my 5100 on 8/10 with a ship date of 8/18. The 18th rolls around and I get an email that says it's been delayed for unspecified reasons. So, I call Dell to see what's up. I was told by that operator that the processor (531) was not and would not be available so I had no choice but to cancel the order and re-order through him. This was a lie as I found out later. He tried to charge me $200 more for the 630 processor but I raised holy hell on the phone and he relented and I ended up paying around $25 more. At that time I said I would only re-order if I would get it by the 2nd before the holiday. He promised that it would ship out on the 25th and I would receive it by the 27th. Next day I check and it has a ship date of 9/5 with delivery on 9/9. I call again, wait on hold for 2 hours, just to hear another operator repeat all the info I can see on the website. I then email Dell Customer Support. They responded back with patronizing response...you know the kind...yada yada, we are looking into it. Nothing, no help, no answers. I send numerous emails to no avail. Well, my system finally shipped out on 9/1 but here's the kicker. It was not shipped to my address but to someone in Cleveland TN. I was livid by this point. I call and spend another hour waiting on hold to find out they had put the wrong UPS tracking number on my order. I get the correct numbers finally and check them. Yep, it's headed to KS. Now I'm wondering, on Tuesday will I have to go through a monumental headache if they sent MY computer to whoever lives in TN and I get theirs? Beware of this company. Check out what is happening in California concerning "bait and switch" illegal sales practices with Dell. They are being sued in a class action lawsuit for this practice. My ordeal is not over yet. The sad thing is I really really want the 5100. It's a good machine with everything I want. It's just too bad Dell's customer Service sucks so badly. Their website says they have "award winning" customer service. The only award I would give em is "The biggest bunch of Asshats" award.

Oh yeah! I finally turned in my case to Taromani and went to Anguish today. Lots of fun but I hate that Foresight trial.

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Edited, Sun Sep 4 00:27:44 2005 by sonka
#20 Sep 04 2005 at 4:19 AM Rating: Decent
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HP owns Compaq.


And? Gateway owns Emachine but I doubt you'll find anyone with the slghtest bit of tech knowedge claim they are even comparable computers. When companies merge they don't put all their inventory in a huge pile and mix it up.
#21 Sep 04 2005 at 8:04 AM Rating: Decent
I think I'm going to stay away from Dell. I've heard horror stories about them. Their service is so bad even Kim Komando comments on it.

I'm not going to build a computer. I've never done it, not sure exactly how to do it. It's probably easy once you've done it but that can be said of a lot of things and I just don't have the time to mess with it.

I'm looking for a top quality machine and after reading everything that has been said I think I'm probably going to go with Alienware. I don't mind spending a few extra dollars as long as I know I am getting quality.

That being said I am still considering some other options. These are some other recomendations I've run across. Any thoughts on these sites?

http://www.falcon-nw.com/
http://www.gotapex.com/
http://www.thunderboxpc.com/
http://www.tigerdirect.com/
http://www.totallyawesomecomputers.com/
http://www.pricewatch.com/
http://www.ibuypower.com/mall/lobby.htm



#22 Sep 04 2005 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
hmh ok well i guess i should clarify that I did not buy my pc directly from dell ..i got thgouh military AAFES.com so maybe this is why I have nothing bad to say about dell. Then again I have never had to deal with Dell's customer service and such ..so yeah if the general opinion is bad on them then /sigh
#23 Sep 04 2005 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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The alienware you linked a bit farther up looks like a very nice system. Make sure you get the PCI-E video card. A little extra cooling never hurt. I'd recommend going a step or two above what they have listed in the base configuration....especially if you plan on running 2 EQ sessions on one system. You may want to see if they'll use one 1GB stick of ram in the system rather than take all the banks up with lower amounts of ram. That way if you want to add more ram you can without having to remove existing ram. If you don't know what you're doing with components, it might be a good idea to have them install a cdrw or dvdrw in your system. If you ever want to add one later, some places will void your entire warranty if you crack open the case for any reason. Paying $25-$50 to ship the system back just to have a cdrw installed after a few months is unnecessary.

Tiger Direct - I've heard some good things about them but have no first hand info about them.

Price Watch - I've bought a lot of components though them (keep in mind, pricewatch actually sells nothing). It's a good idea to read the comments about the companies they represent.

All the others....never heard of them.
#24 Sep 05 2005 at 8:58 AM Rating: Decent
There's alot of boxes out there, but all-in-all your gonna end up spending some money if you really want a true gaming machine.

I built a box several years ago, but saved my plat and built a Dell off the their site last year. And I would put it against anything out there.

9100 (1st generation XPS sleeper)
P4, 3.2 (desk top model for both processor and motherboard)
2 Gigs RAMM
60 (7200 rpm) HD
256 Radeon video card

(for around 2500)

They don't make them any more, but the 2nd geneation XPS is very comparable to alienware (and yes you will pay alot for the name there); check around you should be able find something - either a mom and pop cpu store or on the market that is compatable with whatever you really want.

And of course if you don't want to build one, you could always get a friend to do it for you...

Anyways Good Luck :)
#25 Sep 05 2005 at 9:27 AM Rating: Good
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Tigerdirect is really good for buying components and barebones systems. I've never bought a complete system from them though, so I can't really comment on that. I know they specialize in refurbished hardware, but some of the stuff they sell isn't necesarrily refurbished. I'm assuming the complete systems they sell are NOT refurbished, but I'm not 100% on that either.

Falcon NW is a good company, on par with Alienware at least. They're systems are pretty expensive, but a lot of that cost is due to the "prettiness" of the cases and such (due to cold cathode lights, paint, things like that). You can actually get a FNW case that's painted to match ANY automotive paint you want! Tell them the make, model and color and they'll get the color specifications from the car manufacturer and match the paint job to your case, including the same number of layers and clear coat. It's kinda excessive if you ask me, but it's still neat if you have the money to blow.

TotallyAwesome is another custom computer company that has a pretty good reputation for their game machines. When you check out the big gaming computer magazines and look at thier dream machines, FNW and TotallyAwesome are the manufacturers in a lot of cases. As with FNW, a lot of the cost comes from being able to get EXACTLY what you want on your machine, including cooling, designs, etc. TotallyAwesome is known more for it's performance upgrades then it's visual upgrades. I've seen a lot of TotallyAwesome machines that looked just like a white box on the outside, but they had everything under the sun on the inside. I'd have no problems buying either FNW or TotallyAwesome, if I had the cash.

Alienware makes machines that are more limited as far as custimizability, at least in relation to the former two companies, but they're still great machines. You're a little more limited to what you can put in the box, and the visual designs are very limited, but they're still nice and, as I said before, you're getting a lot of flexibility for future upgrades.

I haven't heard of the rest of the companies you linked, so I can't really comment on them.
#26 Sep 07 2005 at 11:51 AM Rating: Decent
If you decide to buy from Alienware be prepared for 4 things:
1) to get a system that rocks...for about 6 months
2) to be ripped off
3) to have to contact the Better Business Bureau and
4) to hire an attorney.

I purchased a system from Alienware 6 years ago and bought their full coverage 3 year extended warranty. 6 months later the motherboard failed, the cpu would not boot up at all, and I contacted the company. They told me to mail it back and the board would be replaced. I did this and they sent it back saying they replaced the board but it was obviously the same board at it still did not work. I called them and they told me the tech did not replace the motherboard just the drivers. I told them the board was still not working and they told me to send it in again and they would replace it this time.

After going through this routine 3 times over a 5 month period and still not getting the board replaced, I contacted the Vice-president of Alienware and he told me he would presonally make sure the board was replaced and even told me to scratch my intials in the board that way I would see it had been replaced...well 1 month later I get it back and the same board was still in it with my intials still scratched in the back. I contacted him by email again and he said he was sorry but Alienware could not help me any further with my problem, even though it was still under warranty, but he did suggest I buy a new system from them to have a cpu that worked. I emailed him several more times over the next 3 weeks but he refused to contact me back. I wrote a letter to the president of the company and sent it registered mail and still got no response from anyone.

I submitted a complaint to the BBB and I was finally contacted by telephone by the owner of the company would said he never got my letter, even though I had the receipt signed by him. He did his best to sell me a new system instead of fixing the one I had. I spent almost an hour on the phone with him trying to get him to address the issue with them not fixing my cpu and all he said was " buy a new one and you won't have this problem".

I finally contacted an attorney who sent a letter to Alienware and they finally refunded the money I paid for the cpu. All told it was 9 months I spent trying to get them to honor the warranty and replace the motherboard.

Good luck if you decide to buy from them, you will regret it when have problems with the system.

Denaer
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