Is it too much to ask a 55 Warrior to have 7.5k hp?Follow

I don't play a warrior - but a quick search on EQRankings showed the highest level 55 warrior across all servers with 18 AAs at 4883 hps and the lowest with 2 AAs at 2710 hps.

So I'd reckon an average warrior would be around 3800 hps unbuffed give or take a bit. Virtue adds 1405 hps. So that alone would put a level 55 warrior with average gear at 5200 hps. Add Focus of Spirit for another 405 hps. Now you're looking at a 5600 hps level 55 warrior with just those 2 spells. Add pally hps buff and/or higher level cleric/shammy buffs and that warrior will easily clear 6000. That's still below 7.5 hps - but it does look like your toon is slightly below average even with just virtue.

Of course hps aren't everything, AC, defensive AAs, and the level and difficulty of the mobs you're tanking make a difference too.

Without knowing what zone you were in - I can't tell you whether or not the cleric was right in expecting you to have more hps.

If you started throwing gobbledygook at me I would tell you to get stuffed also...



You know, all the 8th grade math aside, if you can do the job in the zone we are in fine.

If not, then you have to do the job in the zone that you can...until you get geared to be in the more advanced zone.



Only until you die because you are under geared for the zone you want to play in versus the zone you are geared for.

Take a look at the OoW ornate, in most cases it is an upgrade to the elemental ornate.

The faction is a bit of a time sink but the turn ins are drops in several OoW zones and as you get better geared you will be much happier.

Well I don't do math which is why I included the link so you can easily see for yourself. Better yet submit your own Magelo and see where it stacks.

I threw out the highest anomaly of 6297 and didn't count the lowest one of 2510, but instead looked at the overall numbers and made a best guess of about where an average warrior would be. You could also look at levels 54 and 56 and shadow knights and paladins for a comparison. I'm no expert, so look for yourself.

Looks to me like you are SLIGHTLY below the average. Slightly isn't a bad thing - you're still way ahead of nearly 45% of the populace. Gear changes. Ornate isn't anywhere near what it used to be, and your cloak and rings are due for an upgrade - link a magelo and folks here could probably recommend some easy and/or cheap upgrades to obtain. With gear readily available in baz for small amounts of pp and nearly twice the hps you could likely upgrade a slot or two and bring your hps above the average.

Communication as you stated is incredibly important, as are the mobs you are trying to tank, your defensive AAs, skills and buffs. A level 55 warrior has no place tanking in PoV period, much less with under 5k hps unless there is a kick *** healer to cover him and a solid group that knows what they're doing. Of course, this is just my opinion and there are tanks out there that could and will prove me wrong. But if you're tanking PoJ basement or The Hole you'll do fine with 5k or even 4k.

In the end if you can effectively tank the mobs than that's all that matters, if you can't than your group members have a right to question your hps. If your server is anything like mine, there's at least 3 tanks standing on the sidelines waiting for you to ***** up so they can get a spot in your group.

Is it far fetched and wrong for a cleric or any group member to expect a level 55 tank to have 7.5 or better hps? Probably. Will they be able to find one that does? Yep - there's plenty of twinks out there and if that doesn't work they'll just get a higher level tank.

Edited, Sun Aug 21 13:58:22 2005 by Netos

Gobbledygook? Don't blame me for what you don't understand.

Anyhow, it was a random lvl 53 cleric doing a pickup group for PoJ; also, had a 49 rogue. Three player group. I told the cleric we needed more people because adds are common. His reply, "don't u have at least 7.5k?". I promptly laughed at him and /disbanded.

anyone could tank there at 55 unless you're doing, like, a trial. however, if you spent some more time on your gear, you could easily improve it quite a bit.


if you can't baffle them with brilliance, then bedazzle them with bullsh[b][/b]it.

Meh, I understood what Tchzarmok was saying. You can't pick the two ends off a range and call the middle the "average" without knowing what the slope looks like between them. It looks like Brewnoe cleared it up some but I gave the inital "average" remark a raised eyebrow myself.

But getting back to the OP's main problem, I agree with getting yourself some upgrades. On Povar, a Reinforced Dragonhide BP sells for ~60k, a Worked one for ~40k. That's just what the Bazaar turned up (EQ open in other window), no idea about your server but for even ~20k you could get a Magnetic BP and Magnetic Leggings

Edited, Sun Aug 21 17:20:49 2005 by Jophiel

I find it incredibly funny that this was PoJ!

Ok, here is my tank...kinda crappy...but still my first EQ toon I ever made.

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/profile.html?457464

He kinda sucks, but still I have tanked in POI, POJ, PON, POV, BF, a very short stint in NC...etc.

I dont think I have ever seen 7.5k hp on my warrior and wont see it for a long time, but I still like to have fun with him.

I think if you have what you say you have, then you are doing quite well and keep working to upgrade your toon.

Thanks Joph, I have a couple of ideas what to get my SK in the future.

As to the OP, 7.5k hp at 55 is a hardcore twink job. Also, don't sweat hitpoints nearly as much as armor class. Increasing armor class helps with the spikes in damage where as hitpoints just make the healer guess more when to start a ch.

If I recall my 'just turned' 55 paly has only around 3.9khp, but AC is in good shape. She doesn't get used much, so hasn't had any gear upgrades for awhile. Though just recently she successfully tanked a DoN mission.

Are you sure this cleric was serious? The way you described the conversation it sounds to me like maybe the cleric was trying to be funny. But I guess if you immediately disbanded them, you didn't find out, eh.

Tarv, did you start your Froggy SK on Povar so you can come play with the Aude Sapere Frogs?










Edited, Mon Aug 22 09:45:11 2005 by Elinda

Buffed or no?

I'm just worried that I'd be 1000hp behind you unbuffed with only two levels to catch up

If I believed it were a joke, I would never have disbanded and started this thread. I made the decision in the moment based on my limited exposure to his previous use of language and tone.

If he did mean it as a joke - was not my impression - then he failed to make sure to impress upon me that he was not being serious. One thing learned in Composition/Rhetoric class is that the differences in what is being said, is how it is being said. So, I made an executive decision. It was in the early hours of the morning, and I didn't feel like playing Dr. Phil to find out if his language use reflected his inner feelings or not.

Edit 1: grammar

Edited, Mon Aug 22 13:02:35 2005 by tchzarmok