Main Looters you SuckFollow

I'm pretty much just talking about LDoN. I'm starting to think whoever came up with the idea to have a ML in the group was retarded.

Most of you ML's out there are cheap, ignorant, an stupid to think you can get away with giving me a 40p split when lots of gems dropped. It's funny cause whenever I ml its always over a 200p split, yesterday i had a 324p split(my highest yet). But whenever in a group when someone else ML's it seems i get a 40p split or a 66p split, or the occasional 125p split which is still a rip-off. Just so you dirty cheap ML'ers know, I'll never group with you again or let you ML again. I keep track of things that drop an when you tell me know gems drop I'll write you down on my lil list of people who are CHEATERS.

Ok that was just my lil rant but its all entirely true, you guys are freakin making me mad.

Thanks

In a fast-paced event like a LDoN adventure, having someone ML is the only viable way of looting. If you're keeping track of what kind of stuff is being dropped, then I suppose it's possible that you are in fact being cheated. If that's the case, your best bet is to not group with that MLer again. If you truly feel you are being cheated a lot, you can also volunteer to be MLer every time. If splits are consistently bigger with you looting, then people will quickly agree to that.

However, be careful about claiming that you're being cheated. I have been in some adventures lately in which the splits were significantly less than I'm used to...but the main looter was a guildie whom I trust completely. I've noticed that all of the adventures I've had recently that have low splits are collects...I think perhaps the actual loot from collect adventures may have been nerfed when they made collects easier.

Another possibility is you have a rogue or two in the group who are doing a significant amount of pickpocketing. That WILL decrease the amount of loot you get. Some people get very upset over rogues pickpocketing...personally I see it as part of the character of the class. We should be thankful they can't backstab us as well =)

Some people just don't understand the Charisma effects too. I was in a group one night and the looter split a meager wage and I asked him what his selling cha was.....45 he told us. Then the group flipped out on him and told him to go get a couple steins for next time....45, good grief.

Also, I like to add that several of the items that drop in LDoN adventures (weapons, mob heads, etc.) have been nerfed in how much coin you get in return when sold to an NPC vender. This went live a couple of patches ago.

For example, one item that used to sell for 11pp each now sells for only 4pp (it was one of the weapons, forgot which one). This significantly reduces the amount of coin you might get in a split compared to before.

Of course, there are always people who are dishonest, but be sure to look into all factors before accusing someone of cheating the group.

I believe that this was the Blood Axe from Mistmoore. It used to sell for 14 pp, now it sells for 4 pp. I am sure it was an accident that a 1 got put in front of the 4. I remember this happening, I commented on it to my group members.

Last night our level 41 average group got 330 pp from two adventures. 55 pp each, pretty decent, but I made 45 pp in less than 10 minutes just killing all the goblins, including the crazed ones, on the way back from the BB camp after putting in an augment (by the way, there was absolutely no one else in the zone, so I wasn't really "stealing" these kills from any low levels or anything like that). To me, LDoNs aren't really about the money loot, they're about the augments, the droppable items, the points, and especially at lower levels, the experience.

Game on,

The Oneiromancer

Well tonight i did a high risk with some 62's. We were fight in MM, fighting tougher mobs than I'm used to on high risk(scion, trueborns). Anyway I noticed the ML'er picking up alot of gems, sometimes even 2 gems off of one mob(fire emerald, emerald ring combos). At the end(this is 62 high risk) we got split(we had a succesful mission, lots of loot dropped) and he only split 70p..... My jaw dropped in anger, but i held my tongue. There really is nothing you can do i suppose, the person who looted an swiftly made 1500+ plat is an **** an nothing can be done. Just don't group with them, keep track of good ML'ers and bad ones i suppose. Eventually people will catch on, and they'll move on. It is sad though, most ML'ers think there slick, but don't be fooled, in a 60's group you should get at least 100p+. If 5 or 6 gems drop(fire emerald 80p, fire emerald ring 150p, Blue diamond 240p, diamond 80p, black saphire 188p, sapphire necklace 236p i think, jacinth 80p, sapphire 80p, emerald ring 66p, fire opal 66p, ruby 90p) or any others be certain that you should get at least a 100p split....if not alot more.

I can definately relate to the feeling of being cheated by an ML once or twice, but you get over it. Besides, there are much better ways to make plat than LDoN.

In regards to the rogue class pickpocketing, just make the rogue the ML, problem solved. If you still feel cheated, atleast there is only one person to worry about.

Just another point; if the rogue pickpocketing is considered "stealing", then is the stuff foraged by certain classes also considered stealing? Just something to get you thinking....

Of course not. Rogue pickpocket comes out of the mob's loot. If a mob has a diamond and 10pp and the rogue pickpockets the diamond, you get 10pp from the mob. If the rogue isn't there you get 10pp and a diamond. Foraged stuff is created out of thin air. If a ranger forages granite, no one is losing out because of it -- the game just creates a granite and throws it on your cursor.

Yes there is a limit. I believe, and don't quote me on this, the max charisma you need for max/min pricing is like 142. After that, it doesn't make any difference on pricing. Also, from what I remember, the faction makes a difference on pricing as well.

Taushar

I wont comment on the ML thing becasue the whole loot thing just makes me want to scream. The best loot you are going to get anywhere is solo. unfortunately you can't solo LDoN

As for the charisma thing there is charisma caps on items but it seems to vary. Some items I have found cap at 100. Others, I have found a better price at 150. I havent tried higher than that though. It would seem that the higher value the item the higher the charisma cap is on it.

I tried charisma all the way over 200. I do not know the exact cut-off, it could be say 115 or 121 because I did not increment that closely. My charisma is usually 128 for buying/selling, and nothing higher helps. It is over 113 though which I have on another toon, and that is not quite high enough.

After that it made no difference (checked horses too, very high price item I cannot afford heehee), also with both friendly and not so friendly vendors. I buy a lot of herbs for alchemy, and on a hometown vendor, where you should get the best prices, I will still pay more, if my charisma drops below that, though not much on a low cost item.

Always make sure ML has at least a 120, or lend him/her an opal encrusted stein if you trust them or have them give loot to another player to sell.

I'd avoid saying that as a truism. That's only true for a very limited part of the game, and even then, I'd question it. There's no question however that the best loot after a certain point is from raids, done right.

Coming from a former Pally and now a Rogue, I would always have the Rogue as ML due to the fact that if they wanted to Pickpocket mobs then so be it. They would just have to sell and split anyways.

Now that I play a Rogue 99.9 percent of the time, I am still almost always the ML for the very same reasons.


As for the amount that is split at the end, well I have split and received anywhere from 68 PP up to 500 PP. I think that really would depend on 1) where you are 2) how much drops. 3) if it is a collection adventure, the number that has to be collected.

I have completed some adventures in less then 20 minutes and for them the split is usually pretty low.

But anyway, as it has already been said, a ML is just about the only way to have it done due to the fact that people are always on the move in LDoN. It's just that way. You maybe coming across greedy people, and that truely does suck. If you don't know the group of people I would ask to be ML. If someone dislikes the idea then you are probably in the wrong group anyway as is. There has been a few times on my Pally that a group of people that are friends have tried to ***** me over. I tend to watch out for that type of group and just move along. Not doing anytning for 20 minutes while LFG is better then getting ripped off I think.

Hope things get better for you.