To the DRG who says our WS are stronger:

DRG WS will be far above and beyond BST WS. Yes we can Rampage, pfft our Rampage has nothing on a WAR rampage, really, but you can penta-thrust. BOTH are 5hit WS, difference is, DRG has ATK and ACC bonus traits, BST has absolutely no ATK traits at all. The only thing we can do is sub WAR and use that.
BST without pet is at BEST mediocre melee, while DRG can hit very hard and accurate, and generate faster TP with Jumps :P

ok ppl please if you have a problem with this new update the contact SE and leave them a message staighting the problem give them a few months at least to go over it and fix the problem the Leave ability will be fixed in my eyes they just have to make a program to do so in which making something like this probably will take some time so please stop the complaining about this "nerf" it wasnt inteanded to be just let SE do there job in the end everyone will be happy in the long run just let them work it out

Well being a BST atm hasn't haulted me. I gained yet another lvl yesterday while soloing. I just took up cooking and made some pet food for my familiars. I can keep them alive longer when fighting more difficult mobs. I haven't found a party yet but I am sure it will happen eventually.

All the other BSTs hate on me for not joining the "BST Liberation Front" I have simply just kept playing to work through the inconvenience. I am sorry for all of those who have been devastated by the recent changes. I do think this needs to be addressed.

maybe more familiars would be nice. the level gap kind of sucks if we are to rely on our familiars for a majority of our solo leveling now. If I'm level 50 I have to use a lvl 43 familiar. Doesn't exactly seem as fair to me. I do appreciate that partying is now available but I hope not to be limited to it.

I am alright for now... But I still have a little ways to go. ::shrugs::

I see a lot of complaints about sitting in Jeuno waiting for parties. At least you have the option to solo a bit of exp while waiting for a party...I can safely kill a DC/EM skeleton as 68PLD every 5 minutes. As far as I can see from this, BST can probably still find a way to solo T and VT mobs. Quite a difference in quality there.

ok, I'm not as pissed as most of the posters are, I simply have 2 points to make

1. Wrong, if it was the same monster, it would con the same when you return to spawn area, not happening. SE fix this or just admit you lied about it...

2. If we can no longer leave-heal, give us a command to make the pet rest and heal like we do. In many areas it is simply not an option for a bst to cross an entire zone for a pet, the recross a zone for the prey. Denying an entire area to a player based on his job seems both stupid and discriminatory to me...

How much easier can they make this game?

• Make it easier to level by decreasing the total exp to level between 50 and 75.
• Decrease the amount of exp loss after dying after level 50.
• Give more exp by widening the range of mobs for exp in various areas.
• Add exp rings to give a ton more experience for short times.
• Add NPCs to help you fight and level if you are a job that cannot normally solo.
• And now... decrease the amount of aggro tremendously to a point where you lose aggro before you even get to zone.

If I wanted to play an easy game, I would play a different game. They need to stop making the game easier and start adding some real challenges. If they want to please noobs that cannot get experience because they are too inept to play, that is one thing; however, if they want to get more new players attracted to the game, they should replace the horrible interface for the game, add custom key binding, and actually make the game playable to people that are accustomed to different gaming styles. Players on FFXI are accustomed to the way it is, and they do not like change. Why fix something that is not broken?

I have seen numerous solutions, and most of them said that the best way to deal with MPKing is to make the creatures non-aggro until they are within a radius of their spawn point. I realize now that the disappearing trick was simply an easy way out for lazy programmers.

Having creatures disappear after you zone is one thing, but the creatures should keep aggro and not disappear unless you zone. I was fighting a rabbit in some caves when I ran to get another pet to fight the rabbit. I barely ran out of range, and the rabbit was chasing me. I found another pet while the rabbit lost aggro. I ran back to the rabbit and was about to hit my macro for my creature to attack, and he disappeared! That is totally retarded that a creature would disappear while I am fighting him.

They can take their Limbus, and their updates, and their new Dynamis areas, and their new NMs. I would rather have a game without updates. There is so much content now, I can never finish it anyway.

They should have tested this update before they released it. It seems like they tested all of the others, but this one seems like it was just thrown together by some teenagers that know nothing about gameplay. It reminds me of map creators in Unreal Tournament (when I played it) that would fill a map with 50 redeemers and think it was the greatest thing in the world. Well, just because someone that does not know how to play a video game complains does not mean you should ditch players that are skilled by making the game so easy that anyone can play it. They have made many improvements, and many of the updates have been great, and even the gimping of some jobs was required, but this is ridiculous. Some of those changes were not welcomed, though, and SE does nothing to admit they were wrong. SE never admits they made a mistake. For example, with all of the complaints about DRG and then, finally, a lack of DRGs leveling past 65 because no one wanted them in their parties, SE decides that they would implement a change rather than fix the original complaint. Even then, at least they fixed it. There is nothing that SE can do in my mind that will make this work. It is totally unrealistic for a creature to just vanish. The best, and only, solution to this bug in my opinion is to have the creatures non-aggro until they reach their original spawn point. That would make BSTs happy because Leave would merely leave the creature and the creature would begin walking home, and it would make other players happy because the creatures would not aggro until they reached their home point. Lazy SE programmers are the only excuse of which I can think for this sloppy implementation because SE knew the better solution the entire time because people have recommended it so often.

I am feeling an urge to go play UT2004 now. [LOL]

A sensible resolve to a major **** up:

For all BST and BST fans out there who want this error fixed, complain your *** off. SE will do nothing about this aslong as theyre getting paid by you. However, if they are swamped by emails on a hourly basis for however long it takes, they will get the point and fix it.

The suggestion to SE
Dont just **** n whine about how theyre nerfing cos thats just moronic. suggest how to fix it or they wont even bother taking the message into account.
My suggestion has been to make monsters shift into a docile state once released or gone unclaimed until they reach their spawn area, cos even real life animals dont simply disapear, they walk home ^^.
As for the people who get confused when pulling a mob and encountering...(e.g) a Chamber Beetle is zoned onto the upper floors of Garlaige Citadel, If you dont already know what to pull and what not to pull then your just a ******. always ask your PT if not sure and its almost impossible to have a completely clueless PT when it comes to what mob to fight.
If you do, its also unlikely that nobody would of made a shout saying somethings been zoned (cos we all know how much people like being famous in garlaige :P) I'd take "Danger Chamber Beetle" to be a bad sign for the mob.

If you got any Q's about this please P.M me, i check up every day on alla for the new rants lol.

Bottom Line drop FFXI pickup something else

I aggre with what you said earlier but the official FFXI strat guide also said when using the command /random the computer randomly picks a number from 2-998 and ive seen people get 1's and 999's...

I've read most all post's on this thread I think, but what I don't see people understanding is that there are tons of beastmasters out there who don't solo just because we don't like lfg, we do it because of real life time constraints.

If alot of people don't understand what the whole big deal is, it's mostly people just like me, who feel totally ripped off because we've hung in with this game for years. I'm level 59 bst,(all but 4 levels of which I've gained solo) and I love FFXI. I switched to bst because I have lots of other things in my life that I enjoy doing besides looking for groups for hours. When I got my monk to lvl 62, I just couldn't take it anymore. I'd waste what little time I had each night just waiting for people to feel sorry for me and invite me. All that changed when I started leveling bst.

I wish I could be like some of you people here, full of bright idea's about how other people are supposed to feel and think. I'm shocked to see other beastmasters just acting like this is no big deal. "We'll adapt, that's the beastmaster way!" "I've went out and gained ? number of levels today, I don't see what the big deal is"

Well, I'll tell you what the big deal is. The ones of us who have stayed loyal to the game, paid our money, payed our dues leveling most all jobs in the game at least a few levels or so, and who have been able to experiance this game from a single point of view without being forced by others to experiance it the way parties make you experiance it are feeling totally ripped off. All I ever heard about was MPK this, and MPK that. Then hoards of people blaming bst's for their short-comings. If anything, most all people playing this game should rally around us bst's and put an end to the drama.

Oh, and one more thing. "ANYONE" who has their Mom or Dad paying for their FFXI account needs to keep their mouths shut!!! You don't know jack about having to earn a living or balance your time between loved ones and a game you love almost as much as them!

BSTs make up a very very small part of the server population. They're expendable to SE. They can come up with this soloution that completely screws up our leveling scheme and they can get away with it because our numbers are small. It's like SE killing a hobo on the street. SE didn't intend for solo game play? Then the exp rings, mp/enmity- on the bst jse, npc buddys and aht urghan being geared for solo is just plain confusing. Face it, they don't care about bsts, we just don't have the numbers to mean anything to them.

You say that now, but wait until you're 20k+ tnl and have to sit in jeuno for 10-12 hours looking for party, because we can't solo worth a damn any more at a lot of levels.

The entire point of playing BST, was that you could solo for exp. Now you can't. BST is now a DRG with a weaker pet, a weaker weapon, less melee stats, no melee job abilities,and yes, weaker WS.

Have fun with longer wait for party times than THF and DRK. Me i'm going to petition until Se shuts down the game.

I'm actually kind of glad this update pissed me off enough to quit Beastmaster.

I started tinkering with Samurai in the last couple of days, and I totally love it. T_T; Thank you SE. :3

I am not upset with taking away aggro, take it! im glad that the mob goes back to its spawning point after <Leave>. Im not interested in being known as an MPK threat.

But this "disapearing" ruins the suspension of disbelief, and more importantly the bst way of lvling.

What is wrong with a docile mob going back to its spawning point ashamed that it was brainwashed/charmed to work for the beastmaster? Makes a little more sense than just disapearing into nothingness. And allows us to follow it for a bit and recharm so we can lvl, not mpk or make it aggro anyone.

and i have a feeling the mob is actually doing that,... homing in on its spawning point, slowly walking back then reapearing. Although this issue of the mob being a different lvl discredits that, i havnt tested this out.

I wonder how overcrowded the few spots we have left to lvl in are going to become? Its not like all the bst's are just going to roll over and start Pt'ing it takes a different type of person to pt. Bst was chosen by almost all of us because of the solo option. No matter what SE had originally intended for the job 3 years ago.

Also it was the Pt people who didnt invite us at that time and forced us to solo, for whatever reason, now you say "go pt whiners" after we have found our own way of life. How many times do you need to hand out off the cuff statements that entirely rock our way of playing?

Let's make it one better. Most BSTs will rotate between 2 pets when they XP. Lets make a new command, I'll use <Rest> for my example.

1. BST can <Charm> a mob and move it to their XP camp location. (Business as usual so far)
2. <Rest> will lock the <Charm> mob to the spot it currently occupies and allows BST to <Charm> 1 more pet. While in <Rest> mode the mob will heal itself and will not be pullable by others or aggro anything. (Works like a <Release> command but basically leaves it linked to the BST. Problem solved with pet getting away and causing trouble for others and also prevents ppl from pulling a BSTs pet by mistake).
3. If a BST <Rest> a pet when they have a pet in <Rest> mode, then the pet that was in <Rest> mode becomes active and the BST can <Charm> it again. If the BST does not <Charm> the newly active mob in say 10 sec then it will reset to its original spawn point. If a BST only has the one pet and it's in <Rest> mode, then using <Rest> again will activate the pet and the above senario applies at that point.
4. If a BST leaves the area (i.e. Zones to a new area) while a pet is in <Rest> mode or uses <Release> when a <Rest> pet is the only pet they have, then that pet will disappear back to its original spawn point. (works like zoning a mob that the current update addresses)
5. If a BST uses <Release> then the mob will reset to its original spawn point. (works like zoning a mob that the current update addresses)

This allows BST to continue the way it has been while also taking care of the MPK issues and BSTs who are XPing don't have to worry about killing off their pets when they are done or (if you a BST who plays nice) returning them to where you got them. Leaving the "no XP loss from jug pets" update the way it is now will also allow BST to join regular ptys if they wish thus improving the job even more.

Now why wasn't this thought of before? SE give me a job!! (^.^)

Edited, Wed Dec 14 14:08:37 2005