I was all for the nerfing of pallies ( cause I play one ) but it was too far and it still is a bit too far... from doing 12-13k dps and now struggling to do 8k is kinda of a joke... Yet my mage ( Arcane ) went from 6-7k dps to 15k dps and has much much lower gear/rotation/talent then my pally.

Things to fix, Divine storm is 100% pointless the way it is now.. restore it and make it = to crusader strike by restoring 1 holy power

Concentration- reduce manna cost and cool down a bit more.. 30 seconds and 2k manna.. knock it to 20 seconds and 1k manna and we are talking business without OPing

With those 2 fixes ret pallies will be back to the 10k dps range.. oh ya and changing armor pen to crit but not 100% making up for the damage armor pen gave pallies ( yes I understand not as much as haste but it was pretty damn close and sometimes better.. I could out dps and HASTE capped pally with 600 haste and 600 arm pen because of DBW's 2 procs)

It was a rushed patch and people listened to the whining of children over facts...

One more problem.. the major ***** over of DK frost tanks....

I know many people had them and they were just as good as blood tanks and even better/worse depending on the situation...

The were better at generating threat and taking melee damage but worse at absorbing spell damage and health regen.... now all those frost tanks are worthless and have to go get new 2H weps and learn a whole new rotation.. it made since that ICE is harder and would be a tank spec. So why change what wasn't broken if not please people not knowing how to tank as frost compared to the simple tanking blood made?


I have no advice how to fix DW tanking while maintaining 2 1handed weps. The threat gen is no longer there so ur best to spec blood and hope for a good group with the tank gear on and trying to keep your threat up to gain your wep. People will ***** but hey thats all you can do....



Now for the OP section

Arcane mages.... from 10k DPS to 25k DPS in VOA and ICC... just wow! My mage struggled to break 6-7k dps now I do 15k with the exact same rotation.. Slow, arcane blast X4, missles. pretty much 3 buttons...


Shadow Priest - who needs manna pots? Oh wait shadow fiend is on cooldown.. 10 seconds later.. ohh cool down again.... oh cool down again.. dps mass improvement but a bit too much without shaddow word death.. from 5k dps to 9k dps.......



Disc priest- Mastery is awesome 9-10k bubbles. Let me bubble you stand there with my ***** in my hand cast smite 3 times pop my mini-wings and oh ya rinse repeat.. for the hell of it bubble the whole raid, cast renew, cast Barrier, oh look the tank might need a heal now lets just cast bubble again, smite 3xs, and so on.. oh the meter whores are complaining your only doing 1.5 k heals but no one is taking damage.. so whats the point?



Locks - need I say more......



Personally I like the buff on Disc priest. Its about time a bubble was A BUBBLE, and not falling below 50% manna comes in handy but still.. OP is OP....


Forge/mastery- major issues with this...

Now for healers since Spirit = manna regen and it tends to only really come into play when your not casting then why do you need it? I spent all my spirit points on my priest into mastery and my normal abilities tend to keep my manna above 50% at all times.. If I don't heal for 15-20 seconds I pretty much get back what I used in bubbling the whole group and my barrier along with my manna regen from my ability....

For Ret pallies - yes it increases the chance on a normal melee hit to give you credit for 1 free max holy power move but they need a better notification like they do with mages. I mean my whole damn screen changes when Arcane Missles are ready. When Hand of Light procs I get this tiny little icon on my buff screen and a light noise I usually miss...... maybe if I made a UI for it that screams at me and puts on my screen FACEROLL maybe Ill finally be able to see when it procs....


For Prot Pallies- Yes lets reduce our parry and dodge which are 100% damage avoidance for block which is 30% ( but doesn't diminish. This also makes no since..


For Arcane mages - so the more manna I have the more damage I do? But I still need crit for DPS so what stat ( outside the spirit on my t9 gear) am I going to drop for that? Can't drop crit cause if I speced into fire ( like most arcane have) the more crits I make the more mana I get back. So it makes forging into mastery counter productive


For Shaddow priest - really same complaint about mages.. I either drop haste ( F that) or Crit ( ok maybe cause I really don't see where crit comes into play) or a little bit of hit ( ya its easy to over cap on hit as a SP)


For Tanking DKS - Yes blood has the WORST one IMO. Let me loose my avoidance to gain a crap shield. I'd rather dodge or parry the move ( now that we lost Def points our dodge and parry has gone to hell) then put up a shield that absorbs so little when a DIS priest can give me a shield I can use and I also have my anti-magic shield as it is to absorb spells...





So who tested these and sucked bliz off to make them think they were great? I mean yes there were MONTHS of testing done but obviously it wasn't enough. With this many problems why didn't the PTR catch it?

Also me with 53k HP should not be 3 shoted by a boomkin period. ( ok it was 4 shotted but by the time the 2nd one went off I could see him up on a clif laughing at me, ( I would of too but still)


So PVP is broken, Caster DPS is broken(OP), tank aggro is broken (Under powered), Melee dps ( with the exception of rogues and shammies) is broken, and the fact that EVERYONE'S argent lance was pretty much destroyed ( needed repaired before use 25g repair on an item that should NEVER BE BROKEN IF U NEVER HAVE DIED) who was testing this? A bunch of blind retarded monkeys? Def not your players or crap like this would of been found.



Now things I like

The graveyard deal..... about time if u get lost trying to find ur body u can just click and rez ( not like I ever needed it but still it was great for running people's alts through crap)


The raid bars...

Now addons were better but it beats the same idiots always asking "Who is my tank" when they just had to look at HP.. now they can look at the bar to the left see their tank and what their tank is targeting so they don't attack the wrong target and wipe the raid ( still happens but now even less of an excuse).. they are still missing manna bars.. would be nice for druids to know instantly who to give manna to.




So these are my complaints... so many things to fix and not much time to do it in.. I think my mage ran a toc 25 within 15 min. 9 mages... 15-22k dps per mage, faction champs down within 1 min win NO CC at all just straight Target blast, target blast, target blast... we knew the nerf bat was coming from that one.

Now from a Vanilla player's prospective, Ret pallies were taking it in the pooper until a month before Wrath where they became a bit OP. Wrath balanced them out but made hunters a bit OP with their class benefits from Armor pen ( which is now gone). Now casters of all shapes and sizes seem to be the MAJOR dps again... Can bliz just buff one class without nerfing the rest?


Suggestion: Leave casters along and buff up melee and tanks a bit. DROP DIMINISHING RETURNS!!! When they dodge let them keep dodging.. the boss isn't getting any more tired of swinging the BIG club at me so why should i get tired ducking or parrying?


UP Haste benefits to melee classes by at least 20%... more hits, more procs, and more dps without all the fuss.

Fix the duel wield issue... 24% hit for Furry Warriors? knock down to 16% ( 8% being a 2 hander.. so 16% should logically = 2 1 handers)



I might be one guy but hey I play 4 classes.. Mage, Pally, DK, and Priest.. all duel spec... so I can see where there still needs improvement and where things need to be cut back a little :)

Thanks for everyone's time who read my rant :)

I don't like the change-the-coefficients solution, at least on the buffs.

A lot of the problems with DPS, as far as I can see, is messy/unclear rotations (as far as I can tell, from a Fury warrior friend) and poor tying-in of the new stats and gear.

For those experiencing abnormal DPS gains, the problem seems to be that spam-heavy rotations are encouraged, and again, stat balancing is being handled poorly.

Whether it's messy rotations, or spammy rotations, neither are fun to play. One's currently frustrating because of the low numbers, the other's giving people happy fits because of the high numbers and how "easy" it is, but it's going to get boring once the numbers even out. Both are going to create weird separations (or lack thereof) between skill levels.

For once it sounds like rogues and hunters are doing fine DPS-wise (and performing where Blizzard wants them to be), and players of both are reporting that rotations seem to be clean and straightforward. Both have historically been screwed around with pretty hard in each update, so I'm surprised, but the clean rotations and proper DPS levels seem to support my theory.

Note: Much of this information I'm working with is gathered from friends that are currently playing, forums, beta-related discussions, and my own half-assed theorycrafting on what I can see. I may be wrong about the spamminess or cleanliness of some classes. Also, when I say "rotations," I don't refer to simple 123123 or 112112 actions (though some classes have these), but the whole concept of ideal button pressing, including priority-based play like Ret paladins and Fury warriors previously had.

I hope they pay attention to low-level PvP as well. I was in some BGs last night with my Lv. 28 disco priest and got torn to shreds if anything even LOOKED at me. I'm used to getting killed quickly as a clothie, but this was ridiculous.

and i dont pvp and for once im happy that shadow priests actually get a decent buff in damage/dps(though crappy crappy aoe).
Of course once they nerf the classes its once again going to ***** with PVE which is still like 75% of the game to alot of people if not more.

What they need to do is not Nerf just buff those that are lacking in PVP since those of us who raid need our good dps.

SO... just wtf is the test realm and Beta servers used for? Before they release this xrap they should already have figured this out. Instead, after they already screwed around not only with our stats, gems, and rotations... they also screwed around with all of our bars (like the easy access to odd spells, food, etc.), AND our entire Video set-up etc.? Now they add more nerfs to people who just re-figured out what to do.

Yeah a bit ticked at having things look the way I want them and have to re-figure the settings again.

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 8:33pm by ScubaShark