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#77 Jun 12 2014 at 2:51 PM Rating: Decent
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When was the last time she did so? Her last successful movie was X3 (I liked Cloud Atlas, but it bombed). I think she's doing TV now.

Catwoman? I kid, I kid. In any case, according to Wiki, her role was not only reduced but completely changed because she was pregnant and it became more of a hassle.


With an alien space baby, right?

She actually hasn't done much of note for like the last 10 years or so. I'm not sure what exact criteria there is for being "A-list", but for her it appears to be more about perception than anything else.
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When was the last time she did so? Her last successful movie was X3 (I liked Cloud Atlas, but it bombed). I think she's doing TV now.

Catwoman? I kid, I kid. In any case, according to Wiki, her role was not only reduced but completely changed because she was pregnant and it became more of a hassle.


With an alien space baby, right?

She actually hasn't done much of note for like the last 10 years or so. I'm not sure what exact criteria there is for being "A-list", but for her it appears to be more about perception than anything else.


I just assume that Halle is telling the truth, since that would be something easily disprovable. As for celebrities, "A" list doesn't translate into productivity as it would with the average person at work. Look at musicians, Michael Jackson last album (when he was alive) was relatively considered a flop, but his following tour sold out in minutes.
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As for celebrities, "A" list doesn't translate into productivity as it would with the average person at work. Look at musicians, Michael Jackson last album (when he was alive) was relatively considered a flop, but his following tour sold out in minutes.


Right. It has to do with how much draw the person has to any project they are working on. So for a musician, being "A-list" means that people will flock to buy tickets to a show you're performing in. For an actor, this means that people will flock to buy tickets for the films you perform in. Which really hasn't been the case for about a decade for her.
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gbaji wrote:
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As for celebrities, "A" list doesn't translate into productivity as it would with the average person at work. Look at musicians, Michael Jackson last album (when he was alive) was relatively considered a flop, but his following tour sold out in minutes.


Right. It has to do with how much draw the person has to any project they are working on. So for a musician, being "A-list" means that people will flock to buy tickets to a show you're performing in. For an actor, this means that people will flock to buy tickets for the films you perform in. Which really hasn't been the case for about a decade for her.


You can't pick and choose parts of a post. You're leaving out the fact that MJ's album flopped, so if he were indeed an "A-list" then it should have sold, like every other popular artist. I don't know how it's done now, but before, artist wouldn't tour UNTIL albums are sold, because that is a measure of success. The assumption is that the people who bought your album will watch you perform. 90's boy bands could probably sell out a tour, that wouldn't make them "A-list".

The point being, it's completely subjective. With actors, receiving offers to movies (especially by known people) outweighs the success of a movie as there are many variables that affect the success of a movie that is out of the actor/ess's hand. People ask you to do act in a movie, because they think that you will do a good job and bring a fan base. Unless you say or do something stupid, people wont decide not to see a movie because you're starring in it. It's probably because the movie itself isn't interesting.

Halle has reached a level of success with other celebrities such as Will Smith, Mariah Carey, etc. They don't need to do anything else to be considered successful. Unless they start whoring themselves out, they will remain as "A-list".
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Um... Sure. But that was kinda part of my point. If "A-list" doesn't really translate into "more money generated by projects they are involved in", then it ceases to actually have any meaning. You get that the term traditionally is used to describe a group of celebrities that will bring in money to those who back a project, right? That's why they're "A-list". You get them on board, and money flows in because it increases the odds of a return on that money.

If A-list doesn't mean "draws in more money", then what does it mean?
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Um... Sure. But that was kinda part of my point. If "A-list" doesn't really translate into "more money generated by projects they are involved in", then it ceases to actually have any meaning.


It does have a meaning, just not necessarily "more money generated by projects they are involved in". See below for more details.

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You get that the term traditionally is used to describe a group of celebrities that will bring in money to those who back a project, right? That's why they're "A-list". You get them on board, and money flows in because it increases the odds of a return on that money.

If A-list doesn't mean "draws in more money", then what does it mean?


You're still only focusing on only one aspect of what it means to be an "A-list" celebrity. An A-list celebrity cannot make a crappy movie good. There is a reason why the assumption is that the A-listers will bring in money, it's name recognition and their fan base. People know and respect Halle Berry. A good movie starring Halle Berry will bring in more people than a good movie starring Meagan Good. If the movie is deemed a bad movie, the actor will not change it. This is why certain actors turn down certain movies because of the very false equivalence.

Halle's name is universal and has historical prestige attached to it, that is why she is an A-list celebrity. If your movie sucks, then that is at no fault of the actor.
#83 Jun 14 2014 at 5:43 PM Rating: Good
Halle Berry was A list after Monster's Ball. Then she did Catwoman.

She has yet to recover and is now resorting to network TV.

- Edit: I asked my wife, who knows these things. While she agreed with you until I told her about the upcoming CBS mini-series, after reading what you wrote verbatim she thought it sounded like a 2nd grader's book report.



Edited, Jun 14th 2014 7:43pm by Omegavegeta
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#84 Jun 14 2014 at 6:16 PM Rating: Default
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Halle Berry was A list after Monster's Ball. Then she did Catwoman.

She has yet to recover and is now resorting to network TV.

- Edit: I asked my wife, who knows these things. While she agreed with you until I told her about the upcoming CBS mini-series, .



Edited, Jun 14th 2014 7:43pm by Omegavegeta


I did mention until you start whoring yourself out. One movie doesn't change your "A-list" status.

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after reading what you wrote verbatim she thought it sounded like a 2nd grader's book report

It's celebrity talk. There's no science behind this, nor do I know much more than the next person. So, for casual rambling on something that I barely know anything about and is totally meaningless in life to sound like a "book report" is a compliment. Thank you
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Well, a "2nd grader's"
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Well, a "2nd grader's"

Admittedly, the post was choppy, something akin to an inexperienced writer; however, that post (verbatim) is beyond what an average seven year old would write on that subject.
#87 Jun 15 2014 at 6:35 AM Rating: Good
My wife disagrees, as she's the one who knows.
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The 2nd graders I know can barely spell to their own names.
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My wife disagrees, as she's the one who knows.

I said much, disagree with what specifically? Based on the Yin-Yang concept of marriages, I assume that your wife is the reasonable thinking person in the marriage. Smiley: grin
#90 Jun 16 2014 at 6:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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I said much, disagree with what specifically? Based on the Yin-Yang concept of marriages, I assume that your wife is the reasonable thinking person in the marriage. Smiley: grin


Nah, she relies on her ****** fueled emotions for most of her reasoning. I'd like to think I'm practical & know how to pick my battles, but despite being raised in a home where my mom was going through menopause while my 3 sisters went through puberty I know **** all about the reasoning of woman.

But I am patient, for the most part.

The weed helps.
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#91 Jun 20 2014 at 7:10 AM Rating: Good
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I said much, disagree with what specifically? Based on the Yin-Yang concept of marriages, I assume that your wife is the reasonable thinking person in the marriage. Smiley: grin


Nah, she relies on her ****** fueled emotions for most of her reasoning. I'd like to think I'm practical & know how to pick my battles, but despite being raised in a home where my mom was going through menopause while my 3 sisters went through puberty I know @#%^ all about the reasoning of woman.

But I am patient, for the most part.

The weed helps.


I would have resorted to another state of mind too.
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Omegavegeta wrote:
I'd like to think I'm practical & know how to pick my battles, but despite being raised in a home where my mom was going through menopause while my 3 sisters went through puberty I know @#%^ all about the reasoning of woman.

Yeah, cuz that's what female reasoning and emotion is all about - menstruation and menopause. Smiley: oyvey

I'd guess you don't know jack about the reasoning of women. But that would only be an lightly supported hypothesis.

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#94 Sep 05 2014 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
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Finally got to see it.

My favorite X-Men movie after the first one. The first one will always hold a special place in my heart, just like the first Matrix movie, etc., but this one definitely pushed all the right buttons for me. The only thing it lacked was some more of the "future" stuff, but I guess that's for the next movie to show. Loved the Rogue, Cyclops, and Jean appearances - brought back a bit of nostalgia - and the ending, in my sappy opinion was awesome.

I understand the next movie will take place in the 80's, which is going to be weird, but will hopefully provide some insight into what Logan missed since 1973.
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I understand the next movie will take place in the 80's, which is going to be weird, but will hopefully provide some insight into what Logan missed since 1973.


So will that be the time after Logan "wakes up" or before the final scenes of Future Past?

Did see this one only a few weeks back myself and really liked it. Apart from Winter Soldier and Avengers my favourite Marvel-related movie so far. Have not seen Guardians though.
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Have not seen Guardians though.


This may change your opinion of "best" marvel movie. X-Men DoFp was very good, but is the 3rd best Marvel related movie that came out this year (I'd say Guardians, Cap 2, then X-Men). Spider-Man 2 was a very distant 4th.
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I'd rate Days of Future Past higher than Winter Soldier. Winter Soldier was much better than its predecessor, but the entire Captain America franchise lacks... something. Iron Man had the suit and humor. Thor had gods and magic. The Hulk had giant green guy who smashes everything. Captain America had... a shield.

I know he was pretty popular during WW2, but he's a pretty lackluster superhero by 2014 standards.
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Well, to be fair Winter Soldier has had the best fight choreography, armed and unarmed.

I liked Blink in DoFP. That was intelligent use of abilities. Quicksilver in the kitchen was enjoyable, too. I think it just comes down to personal bias for me in ranking the two movies. Also, how the hell did Wolverine survive being underwater? Drowning isn't an injury, damn it. You don't heal from drowning. It's **** like this that really burns me. Along with Pryde's magic time travel powers.
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Well, to be fair Winter Soldier has had the best fight choreography, armed and unarmed.


The encounter between Cap and Winter Soldier after the short highway sequence rates among the best one-on-one fights I have ever seen. Their usage of shield, bionic-powered (or whatever it is) arm and knifes was varied, intelligent and immensely spectacular.
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I'd rate Days of Future Past higher than Winter Soldier. Winter Soldier was much better than its predecessor, but the entire Captain America franchise lacks... something. Iron Man had the suit and humor. Thor had gods and magic. The Hulk had giant green guy who smashes everything. Captain America had... a shield.


As well as the Super Soldier serum and the whole "man out of time" thing going for him.

Seriously, it was like Captain America: The Bourne Identity. Add in the huge ramifications for SHIELD the show & SHIELD in further marvel flicks & it really changes the MCU ahead of Avengers 2. X-Men DoFp was the best X flick since the 2nd one, but it has some pretty major plotholes and blew it's load too early with the wonderful Quicksilver scene only to throw him away for the rest of the movie.

Granted, I LOVE Fassbender's Magneto, but Xavier was kind of a douche for most of the movie. I really want them to make an R rated Magneto movie where he goes around and kills ****'s the whole time. I would give Hollywood all of my money for that.

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Granted, I LOVE Fassbender's Magneto, but Xavier was kind of a douche for most of the movie. I really want them to make an R rated Magneto movie where he goes around and kills ****'s the whole time. I would give Hollywood all of my money for that.


I think that the problem I have with Magneto is that they're always trying to portray him as a guy who intends to do the right thing, has a cause worth fighting for (even if you don't agree with how he's doing it), and that makes him sympathetic. But then, inevitably, right when he could actually "do the right thing", his inherent "evil" shows up and he does something stupid and /******** requiring the heroes to stop him. He can't just take a victory for the team, but always has to take that extra step to fully insane megalomaniacal villain.

In X1, he's portrayed as just trying to induce mutation in world leaders so they'll "join the cause", and the audience is led to believe he doesn't know it'll kill those afflicted. But then, when he's told what will happen, he goes ahead with the plan anyway.

In X2, he's fighting with the good guys to stop the evil Stryker's plan to wipe out all mutants. But then, upon succeeding, he once again steps into nuttyland, and decides that using the bad guys doomsday weapon to kill all the humans on the planet is a great idea. It's a moronic idea, even if it works.

In X3, he's once again fighting against evil human oppression of mutants, but right when he *could* gain sympathy for his plight, he descends into tactics and methods that reveal his innate need to do the dumbest thing possible so as to make sure everyone knows he's the real bad guy. Of course, the film was so bad that it's not even sure what he thought he was going to "win" in the first place, but it was still the same pattern.

In First Class, he's on the side of the good guys (more or less), but once again, he seems unable to stop at just defeating the bad guy, but has to take whatever plan/weapon that guy was using and decide to co-opt it for his own agenda (and kick it up a notch for good measure). In this case, even going so far as to don the just defeated bad guy's helmet.

Same deal in DoFP. Takes the bad guys weapon, turns it to his own ends, and becomes the villain of the story. There's like 8 different ways he could have handled that situation without making himself into the bad guy and forcing his allies to stop him. It's like the guy doesn't learn (although in this case, I suppose it's the earlier films in which he didn't learn).


I get that they're trying to play him as complex and conflicted, but you'd think the writers would at least mix it up a bit for his character. He's kind of a one trick pony.
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