New Thread! Post Covid WorldFollow

First day of freedom, here. Burning that ol' PTO and I don't go back until 16 July.






I AM SO HAPPY DRUNK!!

Mostly in Western South Dakota people at least keep the distance. In "major" stoes (Wal-Mart - Safeway, etc) mask rules are enforced.

The general vibe is "eh...ok...seems like a good idea."








ALSO: When you said "Mass" I thought "Why are you at a Catholic service?"

Look again bozo! ;)

My son and his wife are at the edge of 30 and no grandkid yet. I think imma die just a dad.

Elaborate?

Apparently there are party boats and underbridge raves going on.

Sorry. I'm going to dispute the heck out of that. First off, if Trump's actions constitute a "non-response" in your opinion, then what the heck do you think of the Dem's actions?

Trump began raising the alarm on this back in early January, saying this was serious and questioning the information coming out of China (and being repeated by the WHO). Turns out he was 100% correct, and China was lying to us when they claimed that the virus could not spread person to person.

What was the Dems response? That he was making it all up. He was exaggerating. That he was just trying to steal media attention away from the impeachment. That was them putting politics ahead of public health.

In late January, once the truth about the virus was known, and more information arose regarding where infections were, Trump began instituting travel restrictions from locations where the virus was in full outbreak mode. Specifically, China, Iran, and Italy.

What was the Dems response? They called him a xenophobe. They tried to turn it into an identity issue, saying he just hated Chinese people or something, and was using this nothing virus as some kind of excuse to do "bad things" (never really got a clear understanding of their thinking, it was just kind of a generic "he's a bigot" response).

In February, Trump began assembling a task force to deal with the virus. He gathered experts in the industry, and had daily meetings to get things going, resulting in late Feb with a set of instructions for the public and guidelines for state governors to follow with regards to managing the virus' spread. He also looked at the economic and trade implications and began contacting the heads of large manufacturing companies in the US to convince them to start switching to making goods that would be needed and may be in short supply if/when the boatload of stuff we're dependent on from China stopped arriving. Turns out he was, once again, 100% correct. China began hoarding goods (especially medical PPE) and doling it out to countries in the APAC region to gain influence with them. While there were some shortages, they were far less severe than they would have been otherwise, directly because Trump took action early.

What were the Dems doing during all of this? They were still denying the virus was a thing. On Feb 24th Nancy Pelosi gave a media show by walking around Chinatown in SF showing how much she wasn't an anti Chinese bigot by hanging out with a bunch of Asian people. No masks of course. Big crowds. No social distancing. She was basically telling everyone that it was perfectly safe to be in large crowds. It was all still a hoax in their minds, no big deal, and they were still playing it off as an identity political issue.

Same deal with Chuck Schumer. Only he did his media walk and talk in Times Square NY. And he did it on March 4th! We'll into the time period when everyone should have been taking precautions in large crowds. What was he doing? Still saying it was perfectly safe to be in crowds. He insisted that St Patty's day parades would go on as usual and no one needed to do anything. In other words, still putting politics ahead of public safety.

And folks wonder why so many people ignored the stay at home and social distancing orders initially. They were being actively told by their political leaders that this was just being made up by Trump. WTF? How do you conclude that it was somehow Trump's fault? If responses were slow to the virus it's because the freaking Democrats were more interested in playing politics with this than with taking a very real health risk seriously. They assumed, as they always do, that nothing bad was really going to happen, so why not gain some political advantage along the way (same thing they did with the economy back in 2009).

We can go on. Trump did what he's supposed to do as a president. Remember, baring him declaring martial law, he can't actually force anyone to do anything in any state. He can only advise and provide assistance. Which is precisely what he did. It's up to the governors of each state to take that advice and assistance and turn those into policy decisions and then take action based on those things. And that's where many of the failures occurred. Most spectacularly in NY, where the governor seemed more interested in trying to find ways to make it look like Trump wasn't helping enough than to actually make good decisions. He waited too late to shut down. He ordered rest homes to take sick elderly patients rather than treat them in the hospital spaces that Trump freaking provided. Almost half of all deaths in that state were in rest homes due to that one order. He basically killed 10s of thousands of people in his state. And it's not even clear why. He had the resources. I can only guess that if he actually used them, he might have to acknowledge that the facilities that Trump provided for him were useful and saved lives. I guess. Again though, he totally put politics ahead of public health.

That's the pattern here. And if you don't see it, you're just not looking. Do you own research and come to your own opinions. don't just parrot what some idiot talking head said.


I could go further into the politics of teacher unions and public school systems and how that's impacting decisions regarding opening schools (or not). They're not looking at health data btw. It's 100% about politics, money, and control. But this post is long enough already and that's honestly almost a whole new subject.

Edited, Aug 5th 2020 1:26pm by gbaji

Seriously?

Time and again you mimic that whacko that lied cheated and paid his way into the presidency.

You think arguing politics is a fitting solution to a pandemic that is killing hundreds of thousands of Americans? Guess what, that's precisely why we've failed to contain this virus.

People don't give a **** what the dems did or what the republicans did. But they give a **** how our country has been led and misled through this mess. trump has denied the severity all along, right up until his followers started dying. It's obvious, and yes indisputable. Deny it again and you'll lose that last iota of credibility you may have had left around here.

Trump did not have a "catastrophic failure". Some of the Governors did, mostly in Dem controlled states. Again, barring him declaring Martial Law, he can't force those governors to take action in any specific way. He can only advise and provide assistance, which is precisely what he did.

I also find your own frantic spinning hilarious. You honestly don't think that the top Democrats in congress actively doing press conferences in public spaces in late Feb and early Mar insisting that it was perfectly safe to be in crowds and that Trump was just exaggerating this whole virus thing didn't have a significant effect on the spread of the virus?

You're right. The Dems weren't in control of the administration. But Trump wasn't in control of them either. And their actions were, frankly, disgusting. They were willing to encourage people to take actions that would result in their deaths just because they thought they could score a few cheap political points along the way.

Trump was right. They were wrong. Period. Everything after that point has been the Democrats launching a ridiculous misinformation campaign to try to convince everyone otherwise. And along the way, they seem to have latched on to the idea that if they can make the virus as painful as possible, as harmful as possible, and as deadly as possible, they can just blame it on Trump and maybe win the election in 2020. That's, again, disgusting. Every single thing they have done has been to hinder health efforts and hinder recovery and maximize pain and suffering. That's not an accident. That's deliberate.

Sometimes I wish this was like Facebook, and we could just laugh react certain posts and move on with our lives.

Honestly, it's not even worth talking about anymore. Trump could grow fangs at his next press conference and devour a blonde haired, blue eyed toddler on live TV and in front of everyone, and they'd all just say it was fake news and an attempt by the media to make him look bad. After watching him pick clean the rib cages of about thirty or so children, they'd give up on calling it "fake news" and tell us all about how normal it actually is and that he was "just kidding" and how he's still the greatest president ever. I would bet on this.

If I still had premium, I would post that picture of Trump with the diaper leaking in his golf whites.

To be fair, you have to have success before you can have a catastrophic failure. Without any success, failure is just status quo.

Edited, Aug 12th 2020 8:55am by lolgaxe