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#127 Feb 07 2014 at 10:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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I find it amusing that you guys can't get your stories straight on whether or not enclaves are becoming more or less common.
Not everyone has their stories pre-written for them and they have to actually form their own opinions and analyses. Smiley: frown
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#128 Feb 07 2014 at 10:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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It was an beautiful looking ad with an incredibly ugly message. Those who looked at the imagery see beauty. Those who look at the message see ugliness.
Ugly is as ugly does.


Edited, Feb 7th 2014 9:16pm by Bijou
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C'mon now, Ugly has a face his mother could almost love. And that's beautiful. If you only look at the scenery.
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#130 Feb 08 2014 at 12:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
I find it amusing that you guys can't get your stories straight on whether or not enclaves are becoming more or less common.

I guess this is "funny" if you're under some impression that anyone is trying to get their "stories straight". You know, if you're convinced that there's some vast conspiracy to indoctrinate people into some socialist culture-corroding hellscape via soda advertising for example, you might see two people with different opinions and say "Haha! They can't even get their stories straight!" Anybody else would say "Huh, two people with different things to say" but that takes all the fun out of a monolithic "Us vs. Them" mentality.
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#131 Feb 08 2014 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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There are more immigrants, so more enclaves. We just call them neighborhoods up north.
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#132 Feb 08 2014 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
The "enclaves" in Atlanta are all kind of mushed together. Doraville and Alpharetta are collectively a "Little Korea" but the entire area of Buford Highway is every ethnicity and language under the sun, predominantly Korean and Mexican. Buford Highway Farmer's Market is an amazing grocery store with the foods divided up by country. Only place we've found that we can get real loose leaf Thai tea. Yum.
#133 Feb 08 2014 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
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You know, if you're convinced that there's some vast conspiracy to indoctrinate people into some socialist culture-corroding hellscape via soda advertising for example,
And car commercials.
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#134 Feb 09 2014 at 3:49 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
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ITT: US citizen who thinks his culture is the result of successful integration.


That's what culture is. I get that this may be politically incorrect (and why the hell is that?), but it's also absolutely true.


Not entirely sure what you mean by this, but...

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Am I? Then what do you think was the purpose of having them sing in multiple languages Joph?


I know I'm not Jophiel, but I think they used multiple languages as a simple way to symbolize that the country is home to people of many different cultural backgrounds, but that every citizen, regardless of cultural background, has one thing in common: They love 'Murica and think it's purdy!


They accomplished the "people of many different cultural backgrounds" bit with the imagery. That's my point. If they'd had those people all singing the same song in the same language it would have actually put a strong message about America being a nation of many people from many different origins.


... Coca-Cola is not the CIA. I think you're giving the people behind the commercial too much credit. I mean, they're likely the same guys who made the commercial with Santa riding into town on a convoy of Coca-Cola trucks. Remember that one? Or the Shooting Star commercial? Or the one where Santa knocks over a crystal ball and two people fall in love. I think that's what happens, at least.

You're over-analyzing it. They probably decided to go nuts with the symbolism to make sure viewers would understand their message. The message being:

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America, as presented in the ad, isn't an ideal, or a culture, it's just a place people live in. Get it? That's why it's offensive.


It's offensive that America is presented as a country where people of different nationalities can come to seek a better future? You know, like your ancestors did a couple of hundred years ago?

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It's offensive that America is presented as a country where people of different nationalities can come to seek a better future? You know, like your ancestors did a couple of hundred years ago?

Well, if you look at the history of the nation (and of our immigration laws) you'll come to find that "different nations" mainly means "a handful of northern European countries largely with Protestant populations". Everyone else managed to get the shaft along the way in terms of being openly welcomed into the ole melting pot.

[edit: Forgot word 'else']

Edited, Feb 9th 2014 8:03pm by Jophiel
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#136 Feb 09 2014 at 5:22 PM Rating: Good
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It's offensive that America is presented as a country where people of different nationalities can come to seek a better future? You know, like your ancestors did a couple of hundred years ago?

Well, if you look at the history of the nation (and of our immigration laws) you'll come to find that "different nations" mainly means "a handful of northern European countries largely with Protestant populations". Everyone managed to get the shaft along the way in terms of being openly welcomed into the ole melting pot.


Yeah, anti-immigration is pretty much as common as anti-tax positions in US history. The particular group most hated at the time changed, but the general xenophobia didn't.
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#137 Feb 10 2014 at 5:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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But we have to keep out the Irish.
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The Know Nothing party of the mid 1800's was anti-Catholic. What ever happened to them guys?






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#139 Feb 10 2014 at 10:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Mazra wrote:
... Coca-Cola is not the CIA. I think you're giving the people behind the commercial too much credit. I mean, they're likely the same guys who made the commercial with Santa riding into town on a convoy of Coca-Cola trucks. Remember that one? Or the Shooting Star commercial? Or the one where Santa knocks over a crystal ball and two people fall in love. I think that's what happens, at least.
I liked the ones with the polar bears.
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I liked the ones with the polar bears.

Al Gore liberal propaganda machine. A real American commercial would show a grizzly bear with Sarah Palin shooting it from a helicopter. Then the bear would toss Palin a Coke, wink and fall over, holding up a small American flag over its heart in lieu of a lily. Now that's a commercial that Americans can be proud of!
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#141 Feb 10 2014 at 12:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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I figured the ultimate American ad would be some rednecks giving Reagan a *******.
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I figured the ultimate American ad would be some rednecks giving Reagan a *******.

No ****.
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#143 Feb 10 2014 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
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I liked the ones with the polar bears.

Al Gore liberal propaganda machine. A real American commercial would show a grizzly bear with Sarah Palin shooting it from a helicopter. Then the bear would toss Palin a Coke, wink and fall over, holding up a small American flag over its heart in lieu of a lily. Now that's a commercial that Americans can be proud of!


I could get behind a commercial like that.

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#144 Feb 12 2014 at 7:28 PM Rating: Default
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Ok. Finally finished a new system implementation, so I've got time to respond.

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America, as presented in the ad, isn't an ideal, or a culture, it's just a place people live in. Get it? That's why it's offensive.


It's offensive that America is presented as a country where people of different nationalities can come to seek a better future?


Not at all. But, as we've already agreed (at least Joph and I did), a large portion of that "better future" in the US occurs once those people learn to speak English, or for their children when they do. So showing people of different national origins all singing "America the Beautiful" in English, they would have sent a strong positive message about how immigrants are the backbone of our nation. By having them sing in different languages, they send a completely different and disjointed message about America.

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You know, like your ancestors did a couple of hundred years ago?


Yes. The ones who learned English because they recognized that this was the common language spoken in the US and would therefore be part of "becoming American". I just find it strange that we can all agree that it's good for immigrants to learn English, but then disagree on the message sent by this commercial. If the goal of every immigrant coming to America is to learn English, and we want to celebrate how America is about all these people from all these different places all coming together, wouldn't having them all sing in English be the best way to accomplish that?

By having them sing in different languages, it sends the opposite message. It sends a message of distance and separation between all the different people who come to America. It sends a message of an America that isn't a melting pot, where each immigrant contributes to and improves our common culture, but one where we all stay separate and distinct (many cultures within one nation). I really don't understand how people can't see this. We can argue about which approach to cultural integration is best, but it's strange to deny that this is even what this is about in the first place.

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I just find it strange that we can all agree that it's good for immigrants to learn English, but then disagree on the message sent by this commercial.

That's because the rest of us realize that this commercial holds zero sway or influence over who will or won't learn English and meanwhile you're flipping out and declaring it part of a liberal plot to destroy American culture by forcing everyone into ghetto enclaves via the incredible power of soda advertising. Likewise, the rest of us aren't worried about who will or won't learn English because everyone (as a whole) is learning it anyway and at faster than historic rates. A commercial that uses different languages as an easy tell for "being from different cultures" won't have any effect on that at all. No one else here sees the scary shadow messages you do in the commercial and that's why we disagree.
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#146 Feb 13 2014 at 7:17 AM Rating: Good
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[quote=gbaji]I just find it strange that we can all agree that it's good for immigrants to learn English, but then disagree on the message sent by this commercial.

I thought it kind of sounded nice. You know, pleasing to the ear and stuff. Foreign languages being all foreign to me, it gave the music a kind of transcendental feel. Anyways, it had Coke written all over it. Had there been no mention or view of the product at all - one would have pegged it for a coke commercial.

Life's not all politics. There are things like art, humanity, marketing, etc.

I know you wanted it sung in English - but come on, that's been done a zillion times (and the lyrics really aren't that good).

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Yeah, see, the rational person heard that and thought, "Oh that's cool, that's what that sounds like in another language? That's really interesting. Oh I wonder what that language is, it's weird. That one's pretty though!"

The ones terrified of brown people heard it and thought it was a sign that the brown people were going to stop at nothing until English lost all meaning.
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#148 Feb 13 2014 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, see, the rational person heard that and thought, "Oh that's cool, that's what that sounds like in another language? That's really interesting. Oh I wonder what that language is, it's weird. That one's pretty though!".
The rational people didn't think twice about it. The irrational people are losing their **** over it on both sides. Just in this case it's kind of amusing the representative of the anti-side is just barely literate himself.
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Are there people losing their **** over it on a "pro" basis? "OMG this is the BEST ad ever and just what mankind needed!" sort of stuff?

I admit to the possibility that there could be. 95% of the responses I've seen towards this ad have been in this thread. I'd assumed this was one of those things with one very emotional side and one pretty neutral "It's no big thing" side. But I haven't gone looking either.
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#150 Feb 13 2014 at 9:06 AM Rating: Good
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More along the lines of "It's no big thing, and here are all the reasons why it was beautiful."
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#151 Feb 13 2014 at 9:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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This looks like as good a place as any to mention I bought a two liter Coke yesterday.
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