Horrifying Terrorist Attacks on the U.S.

This is not game news, but is more important. I am putting this up here because many people are trying to figure out what is going on and this way we can share what we know. Here's what I know so far: - At about 8:45 a plane crashed into one of the World Trade Center towers. 14 minutes later, andther plane crashed into the second tower. - Another plane crashed into the Pentagon soon after that. - A bomb went off at the State Department. - Both World Trade Center Towers have now completely collapsed, presumably killing everyone who was unable to evacuate in time, and also the firemen and police who were at the towers trying to help people evacuate. - Another plane has gone down somewhere in Western Pennsylvania. Possibly just a coincidence or possibly an attempt to hyjack it to another target. Words cannot express the horror.
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Just my thoughts
# Sep 12 2001 at 9:44 PM Rating: Good
For the last almost 36 hours now, I, like so many others, have gone through disbelief, shock, sadness, anger, confusion and fear. I've been trying to sort out my thoughts for this time. When I first saw it when my mother woke me up yesterday morning to show it to me, I questioned whether I was actually awake for a split-second. For a while I was totally shocked and didn't know what to think for a while. Then when the streets of Palestine was shown with the celebrating, I was sickened, and enraged. To think someone could be happy about something like this.

Later was confused, when I saw that there were actually people in the world, even on this very message board, that were saying "Well, what do you expect? America does this and that. They deserve it." Confused and again enraged, it made me ponder my country's way of doing things, "why are there so many that think we purposefully kill innocent people." Also, I felt fear. What if this turned into World War III? What if the unlikely but still slightly possible draft came again? What if I and many other men my age were sent over there to fight the battles? What if my friends already serving in the Army and National Guard are mobilized and sent there to fight?

Then upon talking to my parents and friends about it, and doing some reading on the internet and in newspapers, I've realized that I never should have doubted my country.

People say we bomb innocent countries for no reason whatsoever; we would never ever bomb a country that didn't deserve it. People say we kill innocent people to try and prove a point; in countries where the people are so barbaric as to fight in urban areas near civilians, and actually keep women and children near thinking we won't fire back at them, you can expect collateral damage. This is not a country putting the World Trade Center in front of a military base hoping they won't attack us because the WTC was in the way, this is pure murder. Someone said we bombed Yugoslavia for no reason; they were killing their own people. There are such great evils and attacks on the freedom of others in these countries, the US is not going to sit back and let them fight it out.

Countries have national disasters like floods, earthquakes, hurricanes, who is first on their doorstep to help out? The United States. When the US has a disaster like the that, who comes to help us? We are always left to fix our own problems. After WWII, France had been devastated by the battles fought there, only a tyrannous country would leave it battle-scarred and poor. America rebuilt the countries, loaning out millions upon billions of dollars.

The US has become the guardian of the world, simply because we're the only country capable of having that role. Any country, any person, that thinks that this is something we brought on ourselves, is just as evil and ungrateful as those that are responsible. If you think that America should just change theirs policies, and chalk this one up as a loss and move on, take a minute to think about what you're saying.

A small hypothetical: France wouldn't let us fly through their airspace during the Persian Gulf situation. Let's say for instance that this attack actually crippled America, and we couldn't defend ourselves, and we were invaded and overtaken by this terrorist force. Let's say they decided to invade France next. What are they going to do without America to defend them? Are you going to talk down a militant extremist force that won't sleep until your citizens are dead and your country belongs to them? You're not, it isn't possible to do. These aren't people to negotiate with. (note: France is just an example here, almost any other country could fit in this hypothetical, I'm not lashing out at France or any French person)

Some think we brought it on ourselves; the only thing we've been doing in these countries is thwarting evil plans to commit genocide, invade countries, violate freedoms. We don't bomb World Trade Centers. We don't kill innocent people that aren't put there as a human shield by the cowardly forces of that portion of the world. I do not apologize for anything the US has done, and I hope no one in this country does. This isn't simply an 'egotistic Westerner' talking, this is a citizen of a country that's been stabbed in the back by a truly "faceless coward" and will not watch as others say we deserved it.

Stop choosing to see one side of the events, and stop thinking that we commit acts of terrorism rather than fight for freedom. I'm not saying that the people that are innocent that die in battles in those countries shouldn't be mourned, they're innocent people, but when cowardly terrorist groups choose to hide behind them and get angry when the people die, we are no longer the ones responsible for their deaths.

This attack wasn't aimed at a military target, as Pearl Harbor was and as our attacks on those third world countries was. This was not a military target in which we threw civilians in the way to protect our government figures. It was pure and simple, cold-blooded murder, and an attack on everything that was good and just in this planet. Not just America, but the whole free world. And whoever is responsible, deserves to feel the wrath of this country and others.

They have called down the thunder, and now they will reap the whirlwind. But first, people are dying and mourning this unimaginable loss. Stop pouring salt in the wound by claiming we brought such an evil attack on ourselves, and if you don't have any kind words for these people in the darkest days of their lives, please keep your mouths shut.
RE: Just my thoughts
# Sep 12 2001 at 10:38 PM Rating: Default
I was at dinner recently with a young Chinese exchange student, and somehow the history of the Chinese goverment's awful human rights record came up. The student was shocked, and adamantly denied China had ever done anything wrong to anyone. She had been taught all her life that China was good and benevolent, and right (and the greatest country in the world, specially blessed). Her schooling was a careful propoganda which completely omitted the facts of history. She thought we were all lying to her, and dismissed it with a disbelieving toss of her head.

You have read only your country's record of it's own actions - not, may I submit, necessarily the most objective source. You are going to have to spend far more than one afternoon and a few well meaning conversations with family to get to the whole truth. American does not have an enviable record of honestly assessing (and making public) the truth about it's less palatable actions.

Having said that, noone is saying America "deserved this" (noone sane anyway). Any sane person is on America's side. In this, America is the injured party. But to believe your country is completely innocent and has only ever acted with the purest motives is folly. US actions - some of them awful, many of them brave and necessary - have attracted this terrorism. America *is not all right*, and thankfully some of your countrymen recognise this. This in no way justifies the terrorism. It was an act of insanity and evil and the world is holding it's breath until those responsible are found.

But I wonder how ironic this must seem to the families in the Middle East and South-East Asia whose members have been torn apart by US supplied weapons. Very few paused and demanded retribution for their loss, even when it wasn't motivated by anything but political greed.

Being the biggest does not make you right. It just makes you the biggest.
RE: Just my thoughts
# Sep 12 2001 at 11:46 PM Rating: Default
You are also correct, the US doesn't have an "enviable record of honestly assessing (and making public) the truth about it's less palatable actions." That's true, and I'm not saying that America is totally innocent of everything it's done. However, every country is guilty of such things toward it's own people, some more than others. We aren't as white as the driven snow, but we don't prech propaganda in our schools. And sometimes there isn't a clean cut way to handle everything, regarding these small battls in the middle east. Sometimes you have to pick your battles. There's dozens of wars going on around the world every day, if the US was to try to mediate all of them it would be an exercise in futility. I'm sure you'd pick the ones that would need help the most, and if one of the pros is that we'd protect our oil supplies, that's how it works. I'm not disagreeing, I'm agreeing, but there's even more to think about too. :) And also, being the biggest doesn't make us right, it does makes us the biggest, but being the biggest also makes us the biggest help.

(I tried to post this a while ago, but the server seemed to be down.)
RE: Just my thoughts
# Sep 12 2001 at 10:35 PM Rating: Default
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Im not going to reply all what you said , just a brief comment...

Its true USA helps a lot of people in other countries , but its also sadly true most of the times that help is only directed to those in which USA has some kind of interests ( Kuwait had oil , OTAN forces were there in few days .. Croacia is poor , but your good president needed to wash a bit the anti-popular image a few scandals arose and 'invaded' with some other OTAN countries -sad to say, mine as well- but provided no solution to the conflict there... other countries have even less interest so they just burn in agony ). So if USA tried to play nursery , they created a private hospital which decide who could come in and who is just to be left outside it and die like a dog . If USA tried to be a world guardian , sometimes it became a world judge and jailer.

( USA is not the same ONU is , USA is just another country . USA is something abstract, USA is not the people that live there , What is USA ? take no offence of the words i say, its just my opinion.. its just how i see what has happened in the very few last 10 years.. and without doubt im wrong , cos im human . And know i do live in a country , but i AM not that country.. countries, presidents ,religions , flags, coins , languages... are just stoopid lil things that make us think we are a bit different from the people that live a few milles away ).

Modern history is so complex, so complex ... you could not even dare to try to understand and explain what happens in just a year in the whole world ... dont assumpt , dont state ... just comtemplate and try to learn.
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