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#1 Oct 14 2014 at 8:58 AM Rating: Good
With phase 2 of the MCU coming to a close next summer with Avengers 2, I figured I'd start a thread where we can all speculate and argue over where the MCU is heading..

It appears right now, its heading for Civil War.

So it would seem that after the events of Avengers 2, Cap & Tony are going to have a falling out over the superhuman registration act in Cap 3. I would guess that would mean Avengers 3 would actually be Civil War (and makes more sense as to why there is talk of Marvel trying to get Spidey in it) & Infinity Gauntlet wouldn't happen until 4.

I don't really have a problem with this, as it would keep the other phase 3 movies a little more grounded and a little less dependent on the other Marvel flicks. However, it would be AWESOME to see clone/robot Thor kill someone then have the real Thor come back and mop the floor with Tony, as he did in the post Civil War Thor comics.

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I expect Infinite Gauntlet to happen right after Ultron is finished. After all they showed Thanos pretty early in the after credits of Avengers 1 and just expanded the universe with Guardians. Since they hinted at Gauntlet several times now I'm surprised they delayed it to happen after the whole Ultron thing.
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Civil War was kind of a crappy storyline to begin with. Or rather, the ending really ruined a potentially decent storyline. Either way, I get annoyed when key story elements are removed from movies. I'm still annoyed at the lack of Pym in Avengers and, thus far, Age of Ultron. And the lack of a well established in the universe Spider-Man is just that. Peter is kind of a lynchpin in the whole story, in how people trust him and would follow him and such. Even then, are there any secret identity heroes in the MCU? Tony outed himself at the end of the first movie. Everyone knows Steve Rogers is Captain America, there's a whole museum wing dedicated to him. They didn't spend much time on the Bruce Banner / Hulk thing.

Theoretically a mess filled with all the things that give me headaches.
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I think Marvel got the movie rights back for Daredevil. He's the only one I can think of (that they own lol) for whom the secret identity is really important. But even if they build him up real good with one or two movies, he's not Spiderman.
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#5 Oct 14 2014 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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I expect Infinite Gauntlet to happen right after Ultron is finished. After all they showed Thanos pretty early in the after credits of Avengers 1 and just expanded the universe with Guardians. Since they hinted at Gauntlet several times now I'm surprised they delayed it to happen after the whole Ultron thing.


Read the article I linked. Civil War will either happen entirely in Cap 3 (which doesn't really make sense) or start there and continue into Avengers 3.
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I think Marvel got the movie rights back for Daredevil. He's the only one I can think of (that they own lol) for whom the secret identity is really important. But even if they build him up real good with one or two movies, he's not Spiderman.


Daredevil will be a Netflix TV show next year.

Edited, Oct 14th 2014 2:33pm by Omegavegeta
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#6 Oct 14 2014 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
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I think Marvel got the movie rights back for Daredevil.
Yeah, he's set for a Netflix series, as well as Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Jessica Drew and the Defenders. The first three has heavy cross-over synergy considering Luke and Fist were Heroes for Hire, and then Luke is married to Jessica. Not sure how Defenders will work considering the whole gimmick behind them was that they were a non-team team. Ridiculously revolving door, cycling in characters based purely on plot need. As an aside, I'm a little disappointed we're not getting a 1970s Blaxsploitation Buddy Cop movie/tv show with Cage and Fist's Heroes for Hire.

In other words, what Omega said.
Damn, I was slow on this one.

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I'm betting they'll do Civil War, but it's not going to be based around identities. There are other ways they can make it happen. The big thing, I think, is that they need to make it happen with way fewer characters. The cast by the time we get Avengers 3 isn't going to be large enough that Civil War actually feels like a sizable conflict.

I think we'll get a poignant safety vs. liberty line grounded in an actual conflict between normal people, with the hero cast splitting on both sides.
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#8 Oct 14 2014 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
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Script for Civil War has been leaked.
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#9 Oct 14 2014 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
Right now it looks like Cap 3 will be Cap vs Iron Man, so the smaller scale makes sense unless they continue it into Avengers 3.
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#10 Oct 14 2014 at 2:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Read the article I linked. Civil War will either happen entirely in Cap 3 (which doesn't really make sense) or start there and continue into Avengers 3.

Ah sorry. Did not read your opening post very carefully because I was watching Hellsing Ultimate at the same time (I think you recommended that in another thread and it's fun). Hence I missed the link and thought you were only speculating.



That's nice to know. Thanks.

Thanks also to the slightly slower lolgaxe. Smiley: wink
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#11 Oct 14 2014 at 4:50 PM Rating: Good
Its cool. I didn't recommend Hellsing though. I haven't watched much anime for quite some time & have only seen the occasional episode of the original Hellsing.
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Well, the article more speculates that Captain America 3 will kick off the Civil War storyline more than it'd be relatively self contained. Which I guess if you take into account that Evans wants out of the Captain America role to take up directing it makes a little sense, as that would lead into Avengers ending the storyline with is there anyone that doesn't know how Civil War ends? Steve is shot in front of the Law & Order court house.

Schedule through 2019.

Edit: Is there enough interest for a DC Omnibus thread? DC Warner Brothers just released their movie schedule up to 2020. Because, I guess that's a thing to do. No real word if they'll be just DC movies or interconnected like the MCU, but safe money says they probably will in some way.

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#14 Oct 22 2014 at 2:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just finished watching all Marvel Movieverse entries in order up to and including The Avengers. While I knew each of the movies beforehand, seeing them all chronologically back to back, including every Marvel One-Shot and every after credits scene really enhanced the experience. Can only recommend it.

There are a few minor things I noticed like the setup for The Leader in the Hulk movie leading (haha!) nowhere. But overall they did a great job.

And I'm very close to Agents of Shield, so maybe I can stop avoiding that thread here some time soon. Smiley: lol
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#15 Oct 22 2014 at 8:00 PM Rating: Excellent
Avengers 2 trailer leaked early!

Edited, Oct 22nd 2014 10:46pm by Omegavegeta
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#16 Oct 22 2014 at 8:24 PM Rating: Good
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Creepy Pinocchio song in the background. Took me a few times to figure out what it was.

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#17 Oct 22 2014 at 10:15 PM Rating: Good
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Trailer thingy for your viewing pleasure.



Lots of little tidbits in there. Mostly it's looking pretty grim though.

Edited, Oct 23rd 2014 12:19am by Turin
#18 Oct 23 2014 at 1:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hulkbuster Armor looks awesome!
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#19 Oct 23 2014 at 8:06 AM Rating: Good
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Creepy music sets the mood nicely. It's no Ooga Chaka, but it works.

Hulkbuster fight is going to be the highlight for me.
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My reaction.

I'm REALLY hoping Barton gets more screen time. He's such a great character. I'm just hoping it's not all Tony. I mean, I LOVE Tony, and he's super entertaining to watch, but we're already getting two new characters. I want more Hawkeye and Ruffalo!Hulk, since we get the least of them.

I'm also wondering if the theory lolgaxe posted forever ago of Jarvis becomes Ultron is the case or not. Definitely stuff in that trailer to support it, but I'd be bummed.

Lots of Scarlet Witch in there. Smiley: grin And some great Hulk moments. And Hawkeye sneaking through a snowy forest.

Good stuff!

They have a Quinjet, so I'm hoping they'll be tie-in to Agents of Shield (beyond name-dropping in the show/movie). Though there obviously doesn't have to be.
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I'm also wondering if the theory lolgaxe posted forever ago of Jarvis becomes Ultron is the case or not. Definitely stuff in that trailer to support it, but I'd be bummed.
Double spoiler: Paul Bettany, who voices Jarvis, becomes Vision. Not sure if he's voicing Vision or actually putting on a costume and being an onscreen presence, but there you have it. I'm somehow less happy about this development.
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I'm also wondering if the theory lolgaxe posted forever ago of Jarvis becomes Ultron is the case or not. Definitely stuff in that trailer to support it, but I'd be bummed.
Double spoiler: Paul Bettany, who voices Jarvis, becomes Vision. Not sure if he's voicing Vision or actually putting on a costume and being an onscreen presence, but there you have it. I'm somehow less happy about this development.


Wasn't Vision created by and became Ultron, in that order?
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#23 Oct 23 2014 at 8:42 AM Rating: Good
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Ultron creates Vision, and a couple of times manipulates/controls Vision, but I can't think/remember of a storyline where Vision became Ultron. I can remember a storyline where Tony Stark became Ultron, though. A female Ultron, at that. I remember because at the end of the storyline Tony is thanking everyone for saving him, and Wasp says "You had boobies." edit: I actually saved the panel. Spiffy.

All said and done, I doubt it'll be an issue in the actual movie. Just one of those source material geek complaints. It just irks me that we know Tony is creating Ultron instead of Pym, and now it seems like after creating Ultron, Tony is going to save the day by creating Vision. It's way too Tony-centric.

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I'm also wondering if the theory lolgaxe posted forever ago of Jarvis becomes Ultron is the case or not. Definitely stuff in that trailer to support it, but I'd be bummed.
Double spoiler: Paul Bettany, who voices Jarvis, becomes Vision. Not sure if he's voicing Vision or actually putting on a costume and being an onscreen presence, but there you have it. I'm somehow less happy about this development.


My guess would be Bettany appears with costume and make-up as Vision. In the Iron Man movies and Avengers 1 he's listed as 'Jarvis (voice)' whereas for Avengers 2 he's listed as 'Jarvis/Vision'. Without the (voice)-tag. But maybe I'm interpreting too much in this.

As for Jarvis - Ultron, maybe Tony tries to build a new enhanced version of Jarvis and that becomes Ultron while the old, friendly Jarvis we know later becomes Vision and helps fight his evil successor.
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My guess is that Tony has Jarvis (or a slightly-intelligent program he's built using Jarvis' architecture) attempting to track down and hack Hydra pretty much 24/7, particularly after he finds out Hydra assassinated his parents. Jarvis successfully hacks the research base where they have the scepter and the twins, but then gets mutated by the mind-altering power of the scepter. If the scepter channels the intentions and emotions of those near/holding it, then it could channel the Hydra desire to destroy and dominate.

So, Jarvis mutates into Ultron. The Iron Man suits were designed around Jarvis' architecture, so Ultron can easily take control of one. And he destroys what suits he can before escaping. But he can't take the suits with him, because he immediately removes himself from Tony's network for self-defense.

Tony then either reboots Jarvis from a backup, or just uses him if Ultron didn't mutate from him. Using what he's learned about Ultron, he makes the choice to upgrade Jarvis to a permanent hardware solution - partly out of fear of Jarvis' code being hijacked again, since Ultron would obviously understand it and Tony's security - and Vision is born.


I'm thinking the Vision thing is primarily because they NEED to remove Tony's ability to network his suits together using Jarvis, because that's way too powerful. And the "I'm starting over" thing just doesn't cut it.

Also worth noting, they're introducing actual-butler-Jarvis in the Peggy Carter series, if I understand the rumor mill, so they probably need him renamed just for the sake of branding. Jarvis is awesome, but if they aren't planning to make more standalone Iron Man movies, then it's smarter to rebrand him as Vision and let Butler Jarvis take over the name.
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May 6, 2016: Captain America 3: Civil War
November 4, 2016: Doctor Strange
May 5, 2017: Guardians of the Galaxy 2
July 28, 2017: Thor: Ragnarok
Nov 3, 2017: Black Panther
July 6, 2018: Captain Marvel (it's allegedly??? Carol Danvers)
November 2, 2018: Inhumans
May 4, 2018: Avengers Infinity War Part 1
May 3, 2019: Avengers Infinity War Part 2
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#27 Oct 28 2014 at 2:51 PM Rating: Good
Black Panther has been cast, & he's the dude from 42: The Jackie Robinson Story.

Captain Marvel has been confirmed as Carol Danvers. Not cast yet. Wondering if they'll make her Sky from AoS?

Or could she be an Inhuman? That would kind of make more sense...

Doctor Strange looks like it'll be Benedict Cumberbatch, but not confirmed yet.

Infinity War: Squee!!!

Edited, Oct 28th 2014 4:53pm by Omegavegeta
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Really nice.

But this part
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May 3, 2019: Avengers Infinity War Part 2
makes me wonder.

If Avengers 3 gets split up into 2 movies, doesn't that present problems with the contracts of some of the actors? Or do they just have to kill specific characters in the first part to avoid those? Smiley: lol
RDJ, Evans and Hemsworth would all have to commit to one additional movie as to what their contracts say now. Or am I missing something?
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Yeah, it is most definitely Carol Danvers, so at the very least I'm excited over that. For now. Even coming from Marvel's own mouth, I still wouldn't be surprised of a schedule change after the Wonder Woman movie reveal.

I still contend that Gal Gadot is too small to play Wonder Woman, but to counter my own argument it's not like the official comic artists draw her really bulky Amazonian either. Korra would make a decent WW, nevermind her being a cartoon character.

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And if I weren't hyped for Strange before, consider it official.

cite, comments on all the individual movies

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Or could she be an Inhuman? That would kind of make more sense...

Doctor Strange looks like it'll be Benedict Cumberbatch, but not confirmed yet.


I'm guessing not an Inhuman, just because I would be really surprised if Inhumans wasn't an origin story.

As for Cumberbatch, the rumors are literally that they're about to begin talks for him to take the role. Even if that's true, it's FAR from confirmed, and they can be courting other actors at the same time.

Kevin Feige also made a point to say, that they would have announced the casting if they had one confirmed.

For what it's worth, though I've been happy with Cumberbatch in pretty much everything, I REALLY hope it's not him. Those cheekbones would look awful with a goatee...

IDK, that just seems wrong to me.

This site actually put together a list of 9 non-white actors they think would do great in the part (since the main line-up is just so freaking white, even with Black Panther included), and I have to say I REALLY like the idea of Lenny Kravitz as Stephen Strange.

Like, I want that. Really badly. That sounds awesome.

I promise that it's not just because that'd be incredibly hot. At least mostly... alright, some... maybe a little...
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#31 Oct 28 2014 at 8:26 PM Rating: Good
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It can be & still fit with what we know about Sky. She's probably either at least part Kree since she didn't get wacky carving powers from the shot of Kree blood, or an Inhuman (A human decended from those manipulated by the Kree many, many years ago).

Her Dad doesn't look Kree, so I'd say Inhuman would be more likely.
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#32 Oct 28 2014 at 9:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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I doubt Inhuman simply because we're four years out from the Inhuman movie, while we're already exploring Kree in universe. I'm betting that Age of Ultron will start bringing up Inhumans, to bypass the "mutant" issue.

I read your article you intended to link, digg. Maybe D. B. Woodside, but I'm only saying that to be nice since I'm adamantly against character changes for the sake of changes and Woodside was the only choice they had that didn't appear absolutely stupid. Seriously, Danny Pudi? I don't think Cucumbatch really has the necessary presence, but I'm basing that on what little of Sherlock I've seen and that last Star Trek Lens Flare movie he was in. Also, Cucumber doesn't look like he'd make a convincing Mets fan.
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I don't mind changes for the movie universe. I know the canon deviations tend to annoy the crap out of you, though.

I don't have any particularly strong feelings that Stephen Strange must not be white! I just happened onto that article when trying to find the quote whatshisname gave about the Dr. Strange casting not being confirmed. I had never really thought about it before. I didn't really like anyone else on the list for the role, either. Generally, I'd never seen them in anything, or what I'd seen them in didn't give me reason to think they'd be good as Strange (either because I didn't like the performance or it was too different for me to compare them).

I just REALLY like Lenny Kravitz for the role.

Now, to be fair, I don't think it's a bad idea at all to race swap one or two big-name white characters for the sake of diversity, if their back story doesn't really change because of it. Marvel's super diverse, but the movie structure really reduces that by a lot. We're not getting the PoC in the collective films, and so far Rhodey feels like a constant afterthought to me. And we don't have Storm either, which sucks.

Another big concern I have is that Stark and Strange look so similar. Strange normally has really flamboyant outfits, which is how you easily identify him. But they're going to downplay his outfit in the movie, and I think they really need to keep his and Tony's look different.

Personally, I'd prefer the elements be there (goattee, white streak) with a different skin tone. But maybe other people prefer something else.
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Another version of the trailer. Second half is almost identical though.

At 00:51 there are 3 women in the room. Maria Hill, Black Widow and someone I don't recognize. Anyone here has an idea?
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I'll watch it later, but is it that blonde in the black suit?
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Probably Wanda Maximoff aka Scarlett Witch
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There's been no real confirmation of who she is, but a ton of speculation ranging from "Scarlett Witch" to "random celebrity hanging out with the Avengers." Also might be a Korean actress making her American acting debut named Claudia Kim.

I'll note it here as well, the look on Thor's face when Steve is trying to lift Mjolnir is going to be a big plot point somewhere down the line.

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I just REALLY like Lenny Kravitz for the role.


Really? Lenny Kravitz? I'm not seeing him in the role either by personality, past performances, or appearance (and I'm not talking about skin tone here). Frankly, I think he'd look ridiculous as Dr. Strange, but then again, they cast Tom Cruise as Lestat that one time, so what do I know?

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Funny thing is that I was thinking "Hey. Robert Downey Jr would make a great Dr. Strange", then remember that he's already Tony Stark.
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they cast Tom Cruise as Lestat that one time, so what do I know?


To be fair, he was a pretty awesome Lestat.

Especially after you watch Queen of the Damned.

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I hate Tom Cruise so much... but his Lestat WAS awesome.

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No, really, RDJ is pretty much the ideal casting for Dr. Strange. Which is kinda the problem. I'm worried they won't be able to give Strange the presence his character deserves, because RDJ makes such a perfect Stark.


As for Kravitz, I kind of like the idea of what he'd do with the character. It's not any particular part of his mien, just what I feel about the total package. So I also can't really argue it persuasively, it's nothing more than personal aesthetic.
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I hate Tom Cruise so much... but his Lestat WAS awesome.


Yeah. Hence the "what do I know?" bit.

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I never completely discount what someone could do with a role (see Cruise as Lestat). Kravitz just strikes me as as out of left field possibility. Honestly though, I'd expect that if they were going to use a non-white guy to play Dr. Strange, African would probably be the least likely racial type they'd go with. Unfair stereotypes and whatnot, but there you have it. Asian or Middle Eastern fits better with the "traditional" mystic/wizard role. Voodoo witchdoctor? Totally different story. Unfair, yes. But film producers tend to not stray too far from even the dumbest stereotypes.
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Honestly though, I'd expect that if they were going to use a non-white guy to play Dr. Strange, African would probably be the least likely racial type they'd go with. Unfair stereotypes and whatnot, but there you have it. Asian or Middle Eastern fits better with the "traditional" mystic/wizard role.

I'd go South American Latino myself if that was my criteria.
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#43 Oct 29 2014 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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Pure aesthetics, Keanu Reeves has the look, but I'm just not fond of how his roles revolve around being stoic. Strange is definitely not. Just the idea of "By the hoary host of Hoggoth, I know kung fu" makes my eye brow twitch.

It should be noted that Keanu has denied involvement in the Doctor Strange movie, but so did Jason Momoa about Aquaman.

Edit: I also remembered Geoffrey Rush, who played the Vincent Price character in the '99 House on Haunted Hill and thought that'd be perfect. Then I saw a current picture. He ... he didn't age well.

Edited, Oct 29th 2014 8:22pm by lolgaxe
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#44 Oct 29 2014 at 7:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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They could always go Asian, considering Strange's backstory.

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Considering Strange's backstory, they probably SHOULD go Asian.
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Another version of the trailer. Second half is almost identical though.

I like it better for at least including some levity. Last thing I need is for my Marvel movies to get all 2dark4u Batman-esque.
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idiggory wrote:
Considering Strange's backstory, they probably SHOULD go Asian.
He was born in Philidelphia, and his sister and brother in Nebraska. That's a pretty honkey family tree if anything. Can we all at least agree that the Ancient One should be played by James Hong (Lo Pan from Big Trouble in Little China)?

Edited, Oct 30th 2014 10:06am by lolgaxe
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I'm gonna guess that there are Asians in Nebraska, and I went through Chinatown two weeks ago. I'm guessing that's still there.

I was more referring to the part where he actually gains control over his magical abilities by going to an ancient Tibetan monastery and learning from the old sage there. It's disturbingly Tom Cruisey in its white savior complex.
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Nearly 40,000 Asians, if Census.gov is to be believed.
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idiggory wrote:
I was more referring to the part where he actually gains control over his magical abilities by going to an ancient Tibetan monastery and learning from the old sage there.
I really hope you've got a better reason than "he should be x because he once visited the location."
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It was literally the next line...

TVTropes calls it Mighty Whitey.

The most egregious version of this is when it's full-blown white savior complex (the Tom-Cruise-in-the-Last-Samurai thing). When the white guy swoops in and saves the people of color, which is particularly insulting when it's by better-utilizing resources and techniques originating with those people.

As long as Dr. Strange's movie doesn't have him, y'know, saving Tibet, it should avoid the worst of that. But the messaging of "White guy goes abroad and almost immediately surpasses the native master at a native art" is still fairly... y'know.
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idiggory wrote:
The most egregious version of this is when it's full-blown white savior complex (the Tom-Cruise-in-the-Last-Samurai thing). When the white guy swoops in and saves the people of color, which is particularly insulting when it's by better-utilizing resources and techniques originating with those people.
He shouldn't be Asian because of his backstory so much because racebending will make people maybe feel better? I don't think we should make casting decisions based purely on white guilt.

Can we speculate on who should play the character based on, I don't know, an actor's ability to portray the character either physically or by presence, or maybe even source material?

While I'm killing this gag, how about adding this to the list of charges?

Edited, Oct 30th 2014 12:39pm by lolgaxe
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