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#127 Jun 04 2014 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
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#128 Jun 04 2014 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I paused it on the DVR (cause I had to take a closer look, for um... scientific reasons), and Sansa's necklace was more like one of those open buckles used for attaching clothing wrapped around the body (just a circle with a crossbar). It had a chain attached around one part of the circle, which ran up around her neck, and was run back through the other side of the circle and hung down from there. So definitely a gothish kind of thing. Interesting direction with that character too. She's finally getting in the game I suppose. Not sure if that direction will work for her, but who knows?


Looked kind of like a large choke chain collar... BDSM Sansa?


The way it's strung is a choke chain (which is just a chain strung through the loop on the end of the same length of chain). The buckle/loop is a bit too large for it to really function as a choke chain, but yeah, definitely a bit of submissive play going on there. Then again, the outfit suggests a more assertive role on her part, so who can say? How much of this is an act, and how much is it her realizing that her princess dreams aren't coming true any time soon? Course, if we go by the theory that GRRM kills off characters once they violate their own nature, she's doomed.
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#129 Jun 05 2014 at 6:38 AM Rating: Good
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It looked like a prop left over from an Austin Power's movie.
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#130 Jun 05 2014 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
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I need more scheming Sansa... about damn time she got out of Mopeyland and started backstabbing people like everyone else on the show.

Slightly annoyed by the number of story arcs they're running. I know that's how the books were written, but it's a bit problematic when there's a full week between chapters. That's two weeks whenever someone's story arc isn't featured in the episode. Like, Bri-whatsherface and the squire. Where the @#%^ are they? I know it's setting up Stoneheart, but still... I've forgotten all about their damn mission by now.

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#131 Jun 06 2014 at 7:54 AM Rating: Good
I've heard they're about up to where they are in the books, so they'll probably play it slow.

With Brienne, that is.

Edited, Jun 6th 2014 1:56pm by Kavekk
#132 Jun 06 2014 at 9:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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#133 Jun 07 2014 at 12:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Rumours of a possible 8th novel I heard today.
#134 Jun 07 2014 at 10:09 PM Rating: Good
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Rumours of a possible 8th novel I heard today.


That "rumor" is just from his publicist saying that it's technically possible if you count the North as an 8th Kingdom. But GRRM has said that he still plans on finishing in 7.
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#135 Jun 09 2014 at 6:57 AM Rating: Good
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Last nights episode could have featured way more giants way less mopey, pouty Snow.

Ygritte shouting down the Thenn dude and claiming Jon Snow for herself was kind of a fun scene.


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#136 Jun 09 2014 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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One episode left of the season. Smells like they're getting all the cliffhangers ready for season 5.

At least Ygritte is dead now. That character was getting on my nerves. I get we're supposed to root for her and Jon's love, but seriously... She had so much blood on her hands that I was looking forward to her getting killed off.

I'm curious if Jon ends up dead. That would be the end of House Stark, wouldn't it? I mean, he's the last male descendant of Ned Stark, isn't he? Derp, forgot about the crippled kid. You know, the kid played by the actor who gets a year older between each episode he's in, because ******* too many story arcs!

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#137 Jun 09 2014 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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Aren't both the young boys still alive? I don't recall the youngest dying. But it's been so long I could be wrong.
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#138 Jun 09 2014 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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I think he is still alive, Im pretty sure they split off and Brandon kept going north while Rincon and Hodor went somewhere else( has been a while I forget as well)
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#139 Jun 09 2014 at 1:27 PM Rating: Good
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No. Hodor didn't go with Rickon. Hodor is with Bran. Osha is with Rickon.

Edit: Pretty sure Rob is the only dead Stark kid right now.

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At least Ygritte is dead now. That character was getting on my nerves. I get we're supposed to root for her and Jon's love, but seriously... She had so much blood on her hands that I was looking forward to her getting killed off.


Very much this. While she spared Crasters daughter, she has murdered so many helpless people, I couldn't help but despise her.
In this last episode it really pissed me off how she just had to look in the general direction of some Black Brothers and -BÄM- three more dead. I get how she's supposed to be great with her bow and all, but that was just ridiculous.
#141 Jun 09 2014 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
"They still outnumber us 1000 to 1. "

Except we saw at least fifty members of the night watch killed; it's more like 1999 to 1 now.
#142 Jun 09 2014 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
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"They still outnumber us 1000 to 1. "

Except we saw at least fifty members of the night watch killed; it's more like 1999 to 1 now.


Those two giants must have been worth a lot more points.
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I get that they needed to do a big dramatic battle thingie (and have been building up to it for a season and a half), but I was actually a bit disappointed that the entire episode focused just on the Wall. Wouldn't have minded a couple scenes cutting back to other storylines, doubly so given the massive hanging ending from the previous episode. Yeah, drama. Whatever.

Overall, I liked the battle (the giant shooting that guy literally off the damn wall was pretty cool). Marred a bit by the typical dramatic flourishes which always seem to intrude into such things (but are apparently a necessary staple of the media). Stuff like when Alliser comes down with a group of men to help defend the fort, and he stops to give a dramatic speech to rally the men, giving the wildlings just enough time to finish clambering over the walls and into the fort itself. Had they just charged to say the section of wall where the last few guys were giving their lives trying to hold off the attack, they would have been engaging them on the damn wall where the defenders would have the advantage, rather than in the courtyard, where they did not. Dunno. The timing of the action in that scene just kinda bothered me. I get that a wild and chaotic fight in a courtyard is much more exciting visually than fighting in narrow battlements, and I wouldn't have had a problem with it if they'd had them arrive too late to fight them on said battlements. But he literally stopped to give a speech exactly long enough to ensure that the fight occurred in the courtyard. Could have achieved the same dramatic effect (maybe even better) by having him give the speech as they're dropping down the elevator and looking down at the walls being overrun and wildlings flooding into the courtyard and realizing that they were in for the fight of their lives. But hey, I'm not in the film/tv industry, so what do I know?

That also kind of highlighted something that bothered me. Again, it's the tactical versus dramatic issue. Given the massive Wall really wasn't in much threat at all, they could literally have defended the top of the Wall with like 10 guys. So why on earth did they have nearly everyone where they weren't going to be in any immediate danger, whilst leaving a skeleton force to defend the most vulnerable part of the fort. It's not like they didn't know there were bands of wildlings in the immediate area, and even that the entire battle plan rested on the fire from beyond the wall signaling a combined assault on both sides. Again, I get the whole "gotta have drama" bit, but you'd think guys who dedicate their entire lives to defending one fortification would actually have some basic tactical skill at doing exactly that. Kinda obvious that the weak point of their defenses is the southern side of the castle, right? I guess I just read too much into this stuff, but it just bothers me when writers basically fall back on "they didn't think of that" as an excuse to create negative outcomes. Doubly so when it's not really necessary. They are outnumbered. Badly. Just show this in a realistic manner. You don't need to compound it with really dumb decisions.

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#144 Jun 10 2014 at 4:07 AM Rating: Good
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I get that they needed to do a big dramatic battle thingie (and have been building up to it for a season and a half), but I was actually a bit disappointed that the entire episode focused just on the Wall. Wouldn't have minded a couple scenes cutting back to other storylines, doubly so given the massive hanging ending from the previous episode. Yeah, drama. Whatever.

Overall, I liked the battle (the giant shooting that guy literally off the damn wall was pretty cool). Marred a bit by the typical dramatic flourishes which always seem to intrude into such things (but are apparently a necessary staple of the media). Stuff like when Alliser comes down with a group of men to help defend the fort, and he stops to give a dramatic speech to rally the men, giving the wildlings just enough time to finish clambering over the walls and into the fort itself. Had they just charged to say the section of wall where the last few guys were giving their lives trying to hold off the attack, they would have been engaging them on the damn wall where the defenders would have the advantage, rather than in the courtyard, where they did not. Dunno. The timing of the action in that scene just kinda bothered me. I get that a wild and chaotic fight in a courtyard is much more exciting visually than fighting in narrow battlements, and I wouldn't have had a problem with it if they'd had them arrive too late to fight them on said battlements. But he literally stopped to give a speech exactly long enough to ensure that the fight occurred in the courtyard. Could have achieved the same dramatic effect (maybe even better) by having him give the speech as they're dropping down the elevator and looking down at the walls being overrun and wildlings flooding into the courtyard and realizing that they were in for the fight of their lives. But hey, I'm not in the film/tv industry, so what do I know?

That also kind of highlighted something that bothered me. Again, it's the tactical versus dramatic issue. Given the massive Wall really wasn't in much threat at all, they could literally have defended the top of the Wall with like 10 guys. So why on earth did they have nearly everyone where they weren't going to be in any immediate danger, whilst leaving a skeleton force to defend the most vulnerable part of the fort. It's not like they didn't know there were bands of wildlings in the immediate area, and even that the entire battle plan rested on the fire from beyond the wall signaling a combined assault on both sides. Again, I get the whole "gotta have drama" bit, but you'd think guys who dedicate their entire lives to defending one fortification would actually have some basic tactical skill at doing exactly that. Kinda obvious that the weak point of their defenses is the southern side of the castle, right? I guess I just read too much into this stuff, but it just bothers me when writers basically fall back on "they didn't think of that" as an excuse to create negative outcomes. Doubly so when it's not really necessary. They are outnumbered. Badly. Just show this in a realistic manner. You don't need to compound it with really dumb decisions.

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If we are talking proper seige techniques, the wildlings would have just parked their forces out of range along the whole length. It's 300 mi long. They literally cannot defend that thing with the forces present if the besiegers were to climb up at a few points along the wall far from the gate. Once they are up a lot of the tactical value of the fortress is lost. as they have a beachhead to reinforce and they don't have the benefit of favorable positioning. It'd be easy to sweep up along the lengths of the wall and force a rout and open the tunnel to allow the rest to pass through the wall.
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#145 Jun 10 2014 at 6:08 AM Rating: Good
Well, not really along the whole length - that's like spreading your forces across the Alps. And, as we've seen, it's not necessary, because you can sneak over the wall anywhere but castle black pretty much any time you like because, as you say, they have nowhere near enough men to man it. You don't have to apply constant pressure along the whole thing to open a crack in their defences, their defences are like 99% crack.

Why they don't attack along the wall is a mystery, though. Up and along shouldn't be any harder than up and down.

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Why they don't attack along the wall is a mystery, though. Up and along shouldn't be any harder than up and down.


I would assume that there's only a narrow walkway along the top of the Wall except where the castles are. So any advantage of numbers would be significantly reduced having to more or less attack single file. That's still more effective than trying to climb straight up the Wall right where the castle is, but a far better approach is exactly what they did: Send an assault force over and down ahead of time and coordinate an attack on the Castle from all sides (although we can still wonder why this didn't also include folks attacking from both sides on top of the Wall as well as from the south).

I think the attack occurred exactly as required to advance the plot. Sometimes, you just have to accept that someone can be a great writer whilst still being a crappy tactician.
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#147 Jun 10 2014 at 5:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that didn't like Ygrette. I hated her from the very first.
#148 Jun 10 2014 at 5:44 PM Rating: Decent
Ygritte never bothered me. I never understood why so many seem to dislike her so much.
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Also, that northern dialect she used for the character was painful for me to listen to. I don't know why, and I'm sorry if it offends any northerners here, but that dialect makes me physically uncomfortable. It makes me want to punch the person speaking. Jon and Robb has/had some of it, too, as does Theon and that Wildling chick who went with Hodor and the others. Most godawful thing ever.
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#150 Jun 10 2014 at 5:49 PM Rating: Good
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Ygritte never bothered me. I never understood why so many seem to dislike her so much.


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#151 Jun 10 2014 at 7:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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I *am* a ginger. I still don't like Ygritte
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