Jophiel wrote:
Kavekkk wrote:
Hey, gbaji, remember when you said you weren't going to support Trump?
How's that, uh, how's that workin' out for ya, chummer?
That's pretty much it. Erickson was one of the few conservatives to NOT line up to suck Trump's d
ick and the rest are bitterly calling the few with any conviction a sell-out and a liar.
You're... kidding, right? One of the few? There is a pretty large number of conservative pundits who criticize Trump, for a whole variety of things, and to a variety of degrees. I'm not directly familiar with Erickson (I don't listen to talk radio, and I don't think he's broadcast in my area anyway), but it's not like it's all roses and unicorns with the right leaning folks regarding Trump.
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The idea that Erickson, who has been a conservative name for years and years, is suddenly generating false interviews with Republicans to make liberals happy or whatever is nonsense but I suppose it makes some people feel better.
Um... Or some of us don't assume that this is a conservative vs liberal issue? Just a thought. That was the point I was making earlier about you making hay about whether/when a conservative criticizes another conservative. The reality is that it's not that uncommon, nor that unusual. So... not really much hay there. Except it your own mind. Again. There are plenty of conservatives who don't like Trump. Some of them quite a bit. They have just as much reason to want to bash him as any random liberal pundit might.
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In case you're curious, I'm not bothered by this sort of disagreement. I happen to be in the "this is healthy" camp.
...said the guy crying "No! No sources! Liar! Liberal propaganda!!!!!"
It's healthy for people to question and even criticize folks on "their side". That doesn't mean I agree with what they say. And I'm going to apply the same rules to sources regardless of which "side" the person making the claim is on. Again. You're the one thinking that we should view this guy differently because he's a conservative. I'm treating him, not based on his political alignment, but based purely on what he wrote, and what support he has for it (ie: nothing).
I'm not the one making the assumption that because the guy's a conservative he wouldn't lie or exaggerate something in order to make a point. You are. Which is pretty darn ironic of you really.
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The funny thing is that it's not even all that important. I just posted it because it was amusing, not because it "proved" anything.
Which is odd, given your reaction when I responded with "this doesn't prove anything".
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The reason why it rings true...
Mighty fine line you're drawing between something that "doesn't prove anything" and something that "rings true".
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... is because everyone already knows that the House GOP is in panic mode, that Trump regularly fucks up progress in Congress so they have little to show and that he's weighing the party down like an anchor. Paul Ryan isn't bailing because he thinks the GOP is headed for a banner year or else he'd be staying on to fight for slashing entitlements.
Yeah. Panic mode. Got it. I can't speak directly for why Ryan is leaving, but "Trump is a big meanie" likely isn't the reason. And no, "Trump is blocking progress" likely isn't the reason either. Given that the GOP house, under Ryan, has been pretty well aligned with Trump, and the main obstacle has been the Senate (both the GOP and Dems), it seems far more likely that he's looking at rising conservative dissatisfaction with his party, not because of Trump blocking things, but because of the GOP members not getting on board with the agenda which the voters actually seem to want (which, in case you haven't been paying attention is pretty well aligned with both Trump and the House). He's looking at getting stuck in the middle of that, in a thankless job, and perhaps even looking at a presidential bid in 2024, and wanting to get out of this before his own personal rep gets dragged down along the way.
But that's just my speculation. And I suppose you could say that Trump is spurring that conflict. But to be honest, Trump (in this case anyway) is really just a manifestation of general conservative dissatisfaction with the GOP not standing firm on conservative positions, which has been going on for a long time (long before Trump got on the scene). The latest budget bill is a great example of this. And on that one at least, it's not like Ryan was in opposition to Trump. They were on the same side, but couldn't get what they wanted past the Senate. Which is not remotely in line with what you are suggesting.