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#27 Aug 07 2009 at 3:44 AM Rating: Good
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It sounds like half the sleeps at least seem to have a correct tier structure. Just things like BLU, SMN, COR sleeps being a bit off in tiers. Perhaps SE's programming doesn't allow much more than "tier1 and tier2" for sleep priority.
#28 Aug 07 2009 at 4:44 AM Rating: Decent
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They have at least 3 tiers that they work with, because a Blm (or whm/Blm, Sch, rdm, etc) can override Lullaby with Sleep, then override that with Sleep 2/repose.

They just need to Put light shot, Blue Spells and Shiva Sleepga in their Correct place accordign to times.

But then, this IS SE, and if they fix this, all Nukes will end up doing 0 damage.

But this is something that needs to be adressed, as Sleeping mobs is a Vital part of Many mossions/quests and events.
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#29 Aug 07 2009 at 7:03 AM Rating: Decent
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dmhlucky wrote:
They have at least 3 tiers that they work with, because a Blm (or whm/Blm, Sch, rdm, etc) can override Lullaby with Sleep, then override that with Sleep 2/repose.

No, sleep1 will have no effect if the mob is lullabied.
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#30 Aug 07 2009 at 7:58 AM Rating: Default
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maybe we should update this page to include which spells overwrite each other and those that will have no effect.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Sleep_(Status_Effect)

lullaby || sheep song || light shot || Sleepga BP || yawn || soporic < sleep(ga) < sleep(ga) II || repose < pinecone bomb (because of the dmg effect)

|| = OR

I'll format it a bit better for wiki, but would you guys agree that's accurate?
#31 Aug 07 2009 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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Princess ThePsychoticOne wrote:
dmhlucky wrote:
They have at least 3 tiers that they work with, because a Blm (or whm/Blm, Sch, rdm, etc) can override Lullaby with Sleep, then override that with Sleep 2/repose.

No, sleep1 will have no effect if the mob is lullabied.

Correct, and it drives me insane in Ein sometimes...

And as far as I know, BLU sleeps are all the same as sleep1 aren't they? I know sleep2 overwrites it (since I duo'd zeni pics with a blu before, and would sleep2 over his sleepga spells).
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#32 Aug 07 2009 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
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windexy wrote:
maybe we should update this page to include which spells overwrite each other and those that will have no effect.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Sleep_(Status_Effect)

lullaby || sheep song || light shot || Sleepga BP || yawn || soporic < sleep(ga) < sleep(ga) II || repose < pinecone bomb (because of the dmg effect)

|| = OR

I'll format it a bit better for wiki, but would you guys agree that's accurate?


I don't know if it is correct, but I'd edit my top post if we get it confirmed. Though I always felt like I saw lullaby -> Light shot -> no effect but Light Shot -> lullaby -> worked. But it could just be filters that don't show me that the BRD failed. Most of my sleep observations are in Dynamis and Einherjar anyway.

Edited, Aug 8th 2009 2:22am by Mellowy
#33 Aug 11 2009 at 10:14 AM Rating: Good
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And as far as I know, BLU sleeps are all the same as sleep1 aren't they?


To the best of my recollection, blu's sleeps will be over written by Sleepga 1. I'm positive they're all overwritten by Sleep/ga II, when they ought to share the same priority (or at least Yawn and Soporific should, since they have 90 sec duration)
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#34 Aug 15 2009 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Won't matter, 75% of BLMs will still open with Sleepga II because it cost more on AH than Sleepga hence making them look cooler. Therefor nothing will overwrite it, even in your proposed scale.
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#35 Aug 15 2009 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Won't matter, 75% of BLMs will still open with Sleepga II because it cost more on AH than Sleepga hence making them look cooler. Therefor nothing will overwrite it, even in your proposed scale.Sleepga II lasts longer than Sleepga, and is therefore more effective at crowd control. Also, most people won't ask a SMN to be on Sleep duty unless ridiculously desperate, since the only way for them to do that more efficiently than a SCH or BLM would be to leave Shiva up full-time just waiting for sleep to wear, then praying that none of the mobs resist since they have no back-up form of sleep.


This is how your post should have read if you had a shred of intelligence.

Also, the spell's quest-obtained.
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