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#27 Apr 01 2014 at 8:24 PM Rating: Good
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I never wanted to be doing "big" projects like Disney/Comics (tho it would be awesome to go to the Kubert School, and/or classes related to Disney style), but designing anything could have been fun.


I'd not let gbaji's twisted pov and disdain for the arts sway you one iota.


Hey, no disdain at all here. I'm just saying to be realistic. I've just known too many people who thought art was "easy" and you'd get a certification or degree and immediately get hired doing something super cool. I suspect that some of this comes from the perception in high school of art as a throwaway or easy A class. Which, sadly, is still perpetuated today by school administrators who think art class is where they should just dump all the discipline and learning disabled kids. Cause... Art is easy and unimportant, right?

The reality is that if you actually want to do something art related, you're going to have to treat it seriously, actually spend the time and work on your trade, and have a lot of patience. I did not intend my comment to appear as disdain for the field. Quite the opposite, in fact.


This all very true. Art has just been that "easy" thing for me. I get along with Math, but did not see a career in Math. I have 0 want of being a teacher.
When I was in college, a majority of them wanted to be just that, Art teachers. I never understood why.
I went to a small high school and all my art classes were 98% people who needed the cred for graduation/Seniors who figured it was an easy A. Only a few kids actually any type of skill, but the thing is, is the teacher could never give us 1 on 1 and possibly help hone skills because the others who thought they could come in, sleep, and still get an A didn't drop the class and instead needed help every moment of every class.
You can teach Art History, but art at it's core is something you practice over and over. I can't teach someone how to draw, you either get it or don't imo :3

I even made an attempt to get into an Art school. Unless they were giving me a free ride, my Father basically told me to **** off and it was not happening because "it will lead to nothing, go learn a trade..." because you know...everything around you was not designed to look nice by someone. Them someones all have degrees in math btw >.>
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#28 Apr 02 2014 at 4:57 AM Rating: Good
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Why not save up as much money as you can, practice your skills for art and/or design and apply to an art or design school next year?
#29 Apr 02 2014 at 6:00 AM Rating: Good
Maybe not next year, but I'm saving. I would like to go back to school. The one thing I wish I had, somehow, manged to fit into the schooling I did was design programs. I have no idea how to use Photoshop, Illiterater, etc (well I can use Paint lol).
I've not given up on getting a job I would hopefully enjoy more, but until then I'm in one that can be a real pain each day.
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#30 Apr 02 2014 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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Photoshop and such are pretty simple to use, there's about a billion different guides and how-to's for them as well (Ctrl-Paint is a good site for painting in Photoshop).
#31 Apr 02 2014 at 3:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe not next year, but I'm saving. I would like to go back to school. The one thing I wish I had, somehow, manged to fit into the schooling I did was design programs. I have no idea how to use Photoshop, Illiterater, etc (well I can use Paint lol).
I've not given up on getting a job I would hopefully enjoy more, but until then I'm in one that can be a real pain each day.


Depending on where you live, there are often a number of adult-ed/ROP courses you can take that'll help fill in those gaps. They're usually not terribly expensive either.
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#32 Apr 03 2014 at 8:03 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:

I did not intend my comment to appear as disdain for the field. Quite the opposite, in fact.

But it does. No offense but let me offend you.

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The reality is that if you actually want to do something art related, you're going to have to treat it seriously, actually spend the time and work on your trade, and have a lot of patience.


Why is it more necessary for an artist to take their work or studies more seriously than any other calling?





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#33 Apr 03 2014 at 8:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think because it's harder to monetize than say a STEM degree. Art, music, all require a lot of grinding and hard work to get minimal compensation when you start.
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#34 Apr 03 2014 at 11:51 AM Rating: Decent
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I think because it's harder to monetize than say a STEM degree. Art, music, all require a lot of grinding and hard work to get minimal compensation when you start.


Correct. There's a reason why the phrase "starving artist" exists, but not so much "starving engineer". Fair or not, it's going to be a harder struggle for an artist starting out to get that first jump into a career related job. And there's usually a longer period of time spent doing things that aren't related to the desired field (which was the exact case I originally responded to).
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#35 Apr 03 2014 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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Part of the whole starving artist thing is that artists, photographers and designers get ridiculously little respect in most places, people thinking they could just do it themselves (especially photography and design) and clients from hell is filled with stories about people thinking freelance means free of charge or the ever insulting "but it will look good in your portfolio" ********* It's pretty obvious why you can't do what an engineer or mechanic or whatever does so people accept that it costs money but with art and design it's less obvious.
#36 Apr 03 2014 at 12:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Doesn't help when you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist either.
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#37 Apr 03 2014 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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#38 Apr 03 2014 at 12:35 PM Rating: Good
I have more respect for photographers since I discovered I am terrible at it.
#39 Apr 03 2014 at 5:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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people thinking they could just do it themselves (especially photography and design) .


This actually got dropped on me at work the other day. I am designing a T-Shirt for an even my place of employment is sponsoring. In the end my boss just told me I had free reign over the project "because if I tell you what I want, then why don't I just do it? I can't draw or anything..but still... hahah, right?"

So I've stopped taking in ideas each morning, and will turn a few things in Monday. They either will like it, or hopefully they have a plan B.
Because the drawing is worked on during my free time (evenings) and I don't even know if I'm getting paid (f they use it).

And as to the practice all the time, yea, all the time. I can't really practice at my job, you either can do the work or you might need to start looking for employment else were. With drawing/painting the more I do the better it looks. The more styles I study and try, the better my skill, to use to be "unique" and hopefully catch the attention of the right people who want "more of that."

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And there's usually a longer period of time spent doing things that aren't related to the desired field (which was the exact case I originally responded to).


Truth this as well. While attending my 1st year of college and went with my cousin when he got a leg sleeve done to memorialize his father. In conversation with the owner/tattooist I told him that this would be a neat job. He flat told me "Drop out of school, bring my 5k$. You start at the bottom (cleaning, learning how to take care of equipment, etc etc). You work your way up. They are not going to teach you what you need to know, and it is very hard to start off on your own. I know, I did it, it was not a smart move but my art is my backup."
IF I had 5k$ to my name when I was 18, I really think I would have said "deal." He is still a well known tattooist in his area, and does paintings and designs to help when people are coming in to get inked.

This can also be said about where I'm at today. Enough people see my work, maybe the right person comes along and offers a job. Sadly I do not get to practice it enough, so skill teeters on mood and how I feel about the project.
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Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
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people thinking they could just do it themselves (especially photography and design) .


This actually got dropped on me at work the other day. I am designing a T-Shirt for an even my place of employment is sponsoring. In the end my boss just told me I had free reign over the project "because if I tell you what I want, then why don't I just do it? I can't draw or anything..but still... hahah, right?"

So I've stopped taking in ideas each morning, and will turn a few things in Monday. They either will like it, or hopefully they have a plan B.
Because the drawing is worked on during my free time (evenings) and I don't even know if I'm getting paid (f they use it).
Your "free reign" translates to come up with exactly what he wants to see and free or not you'll be treated as if he's doing you a favor with this. It'll end with him doing a really, really bad job himself and then showing it to you expecting you to be all impressed.



Or maybe he'll love what you've done, it's good to be prepared for the worst anyway.

#41 Apr 04 2014 at 8:03 AM Rating: Good
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Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
When I was in college, a majority of them wanted to be just that, Art teachers. I never understood why.
Because they're not quite jaded yet and think that they'll be the teacher that breaks that mold, that finds those few kids with talent who needs guidance and provide that guidance to them.
#42 Apr 04 2014 at 8:28 AM Rating: Good
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Are we starting a "I @#%^ing hate my job" club? I'm in.
I'm in, too.

I work three part-time jobs, about 62 hours a week total (one job is only one day a week, so I guess it's mostly two part-time jobs). I've been looking and applying places looking for something full-time, but my resume is pretty garbage. Every job I've had is a flavor of retail, and I dropped out of college.

Oh well, at least I have Obamacare now, right? But seriously, maybe getting treatment for depression and going back on some ADD meds will help me break out of this funk. I'd like to go back to school, but it's been so long that it's not like I could just jump back into my former major (electrical engineering). Regis University has an accredited online computer science degree, so I've been thinking about that but it's hella expensive. I could transfer most of my credits, though, cutting out at least 2, if not 3 years.

Anyway, one of my jobs is at a liquor store, and my boss is a pain in the ***. He's the kind of boss who always finds the one thing that you missed to harp on you about, and there is never any positive reinforcement. I know, I know it's a ****** retail wageslave job, what do you expect? But, I don't slack, I'm always doing something, I'm courteous to the customers. You really don't need to lecture me about how on Thursday night, I apparently failed to change the water in the mop bucket, and when he opened on Friday, he was alone for an hour. What if a customer broke a bottle? The mop water wasn't fresh and it could take "upwards of a half hour" to clean it up. Now sure, I'll admit that even though I had no need for the mop bucket on Thursday, I maybe should have taken a look at some point during my shift, but all that needs to be said is "hey, you missed the mop bucket last night" and I'd say "OK, sorry" and make sure to do it next time. I don't need to hear about it for 10 minutes while I could be doing something productive instead.

He also runs the store very poorly. Employees ring on whatever register they are closest to at the time, instead of being assigned a register, and tills are not counted down at a shift change. There are no cash pulls at all during a business day, so by the end of the night there can be several thousand dollars in cash in each register, plain for anyone to see. There's no drop safe. Nightly deposits and change for the registers are kept in an (unlockable) file cabinet, in an "office" right near the front door. Oh, and there's conveniently no camera coverage there. He shuts the cameras and DVR off at night because "that's what the alarm is for".
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There are no cash pulls at all during a business day, so by the end of the night there can be several thousand dollars in cash in each register, plain for anyone to see. There's no drop safe. Nightly deposits and change for the registers are kept in an (unlockable) file cabinet, in an "office" right near the front door. Oh, and there's conveniently no camera coverage there. He shuts the cameras and DVR off at night because "that's what the alarm is for".
And what was the address? You know, out of curiosity.
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#44 Apr 04 2014 at 9:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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So in other words if I want free money and booze you know a place where that could happen?
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#45 Apr 04 2014 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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Yes.
#46 Apr 04 2014 at 9:52 AM Rating: Good
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Spoonless wrote:
I'd like to go back to school, but it's been so long that it's not like I could just jump back into my former major (electrical engineering).

You don't think so?

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I work three part-time jobs, about 62 hours a week total

I do.

Don't misunderstand my comments above as having anything to do with the topic of this thread (job hate), because it sounds like you have a real winner there for a boss. Also, when have I ever posted a comment that had anything to do with the topic of the thread?

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#47 Apr 04 2014 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
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I'd like to go back to school, but it's been so long that it's not like I could just jump back into my former major (electrical engineering).
You don't think so?
Oh, I'm sure that I could complete an EE degree, given the chance to start the program over from the beginning, but at this point it's been over 7 years since I last had to use any kind of advanced mathematics or other stuff I learned in school, so I'd be hard-pressed to just jump into junior- and senior-level engineering courses and be able to pass them. I'd have to retake or at least audit a ton of classes I've already taken in order to get back on track. I'm not saying it's not doable, but at this point there are other paths, of less resistance, that I could take.
#48 Apr 04 2014 at 11:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think all tech courses expire after 7 years as well, so likely you'd have to more or less start from scratch.
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#49 Apr 04 2014 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
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Huh. I might have actually gotten a decent job lead today from one of the liquor store regulars. That's one way to make a 14-hour day slightly less ***.
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There are no cash pulls at all during a business day, so by the end of the night there can be several thousand dollars in cash in each register, plain for anyone to see. There's no drop safe. Nightly deposits and change for the registers are kept in an (unlockable) file cabinet, in an "office" right near the front door. Oh, and there's conveniently no camera coverage there. He shuts the cameras and DVR off at night because "that's what the alarm is for".
And what was the address? You know, out of curiosity.


Yeah. Same thought. This is a "bad sign"(tm). Usually, if an owner is doing this kind of thing, it's because he's skimming his own profits (and yes, there are reasons to do this). Does this business have high turnover, by any chance? Long lists of newish employees getting accused of stealing from the till and being let go?
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No, the employees all (myself and the older part-time guy excluded) drink at the store on nights when the owner isn't there, though. There isn't much turnover, though. They own two stores, and their other store gets most of its stock through the store I work at. From what one of the other guys told me, they don't use a computerized inventory system at the other store, and all sales there are done via a register where you just punch in prices. There's no paper trail for transfers of product between the stores. There's one employee who works around 55 hours a week. The 15 over 40 he works, he gets paid his regular hourly in cash for. The guys who work on Sundays just get regular pay, when liquor stores aren't exempt from time and a half. There's obviously some sketchy **** going down, but there's not much I can do but keep my head down, at least until I find something else.

The store I work in has a computerized inventory system, but it's not really used aside from entering products in the system so that you can scan items and ring out sales. There's no quantity information. Physical inventory counting was done by an outside service, by which they count the dollar value of product you have on hand. There was a lot of stock missing and while my co-workers do drink on the job, I doubt they account for all of it. Further, there are issues with physical inventory counting that aren't taken into account. We make six-packs of beer by breaking open a 30-pack and ringing sixes out of them. Six-packs obviously sell at a higher dollar-per-unit amount than the 30-packs, but there's no real accounting for this in the inventory. So when they count the inventory, if I made six-packs out of a 30-pack, and they sell for $6 each, they will be counting a broken-down pack as $30 of beer, whereas if I didn't make any, it'd only get counted as $20. So when I'm told there was $6000 missing in beer, this comes to mind as part of the issue. I'm sure the transferring of product to the other store would account for some of that amount, as well.

I'm pretty sure there's some stuff regarding whose names the stores are in, too. I know one of the stores is in their name, but I think the other store is in the name of a family member who isn't actually involved in the business. I think you're only allowed to own one liquor store per designated area, but I'm not sure on that, so this might just be a way for them to get around that.

Anyway, back to moving boxes around.
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