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#102 Aug 29 2008 at 10:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, that was one of those moments. He tried to cover it later by saying "while the VP was in the air, of course!"

Bush should have decked him, haha.



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#103 Aug 29 2008 at 10:27 AM Rating: Default
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Samira wrote:

They can't hammer on Obama's lack of experience anymore, so there's that.


Of course the flip-side of this is that the Obama camp can't nail Palin (so to speak) on her lack of experience either.
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#104 Aug 29 2008 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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PunkFloyd, King of Bards wrote:
Samira wrote:

They can't hammer on Obama's lack of experience anymore, so there's that.


Of course the flip-side of this is that the Obama camp can't nail Palin (so to speak) on her lack of experience either.


They should focus, instead, on her multitude of experience in being investigated for illegal dealings. Smiley: nod
#105BrownDuck, Posted: Aug 29 2008 at 10:30 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yeah, that's disappointing
#106 Aug 29 2008 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
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PunkFloyd, King of Bards wrote:
Samira wrote:

They can't hammer on Obama's lack of experience anymore, so there's that.


Of course the flip-side of this is that the Obama camp can't nail Palin (so to speak) on her lack of experience either.


Sure he can. He's at least got a few years in the Senate, having served on the Foreign Relations committee, HSGA, Veterans' Affairs, etc. Compared to two years as the governor of Big 47, he comes off like a political warhorse. :p
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PunkFloyd, King of Bards wrote:
Of course the flip-side of this is that the Obama camp can't nail Palin (so to speak) on her lack of experience either.
Except they can. First off, Obama has years more state-wide experience than she does and years more federal experience (of which she has none). Obama has served on Senate committees and been privvy to contact in the foreign policy and national security departments. He's spoken at length with heads of state. His VP pick has at least as much experience as McCain (arguably more given Biden's committee assignments) whereas Palin has far less than Obama.

The best counter the GOP has (and they're already lamely trying this) is that Palin has executive experience from her 18 months or so as governor and stint as small-town mayor. Except if executive experience is the Holy Grail, McCain better step aside for his new Gal Friday because McCain has absolutely no exective experience either. I'd be interested to hear the tortured ratio of how many years in state office experience a year as mayor of 6,000 is worth. Just for comparison, Obama's old state senate district has over thirty-two times as many people as Wasilla, Alaska.
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#108 Aug 29 2008 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
PunkFloyd, King of Bards wrote:
Of course the flip-side of this is that the Obama camp can't nail Palin (so to speak) on her lack of experience either.
Except they can. First off, Obama has years more state-wide experience than she does and years more federal experience (of which she has none). Obama has served on Senate committees and been privvy to contact in the foreign policy and national security departments. He's spoken at length with heads of state. His VP pick has at least as much experience as McCain (arguably more given Biden's committee assignments) whereas Palin has far less than Obama.

The best counter the GOP has (and they're already lamely trying this) is that Palin has executive experience from her 18 months or so as governor and stint as small-town mayor. Except if executive experience is the Holy Grail, McCain better step aside for his new Gal Friday because McCain has absolutely no exective experience either. I'd be interested to hear the tortured ratio of how many years in state office experience a year as mayor of 6,000 is worth. Just for comparison, Obama's old state senate district has over thirty-two times as many people as Wasilla, Alaska.
Remember how we used to talk about Dan Quayle with his 12 years of service in Congress as being woefully under-experienced to be president.

Ah, those were the days.
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#109 Aug 29 2008 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, the fact that he was also dumb as a post helped make that case. Palin comes across as being moderately bright, at least.

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#110 Aug 29 2008 at 11:05 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Well, the fact that he was also dumb as a post helped make that case. Palin comes across as being moderately bright, at least.
I dunno. Listening to her speak this afternoon, she seemed to just be rambling. Not that it's a good indicator of intelligence, of course, but an orator she's definitely not and perception means a bunch. :/
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#111 Aug 29 2008 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Mindel wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
PunkFloyd, King of Bards wrote:
Of course the flip-side of this is that the Obama camp can't nail Palin (so to speak) on her lack of experience either.
Except they can. First off, Obama has years more state-wide experience than she does and years more federal experience (of which she has none). Obama has served on Senate committees and been privvy to contact in the foreign policy and national security departments. He's spoken at length with heads of state. His VP pick has at least as much experience as McCain (arguably more given Biden's committee assignments) whereas Palin has far less than Obama.

The best counter the GOP has (and they're already lamely trying this) is that Palin has executive experience from her 18 months or so as governor and stint as small-town mayor. Except if executive experience is the Holy Grail, McCain better step aside for his new Gal Friday because McCain has absolutely no exective experience either. I'd be interested to hear the tortured ratio of how many years in state office experience a year as mayor of 6,000 is worth. Just for comparison, Obama's old state senate district has over thirty-two times as many people as Wasilla, Alaska.
Remember how we used to talk about Dan Quayle with his 12 years of service in Congress as being woefully under-experienced to be president.

Ah, those were the days.


I didn't really give Quayle much thought. I was <13 at the time. Come to think of it, you weren't much older. Were you debating the finer points of Reagan policy with your grade school classmates as well? Smiley: tongue
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#112 Aug 29 2008 at 11:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Mindel wrote:
Samira wrote:
Well, the fact that he was also dumb as a post helped make that case. Palin comes across as being moderately bright, at least.
I dunno. Listening to her speak this afternoon, she seemed to just be rambling. Not that it's a good indicator of intelligence, of course, but an orator she's definitely not and perception means a bunch. :/


Good! I haven't seen her speak yet, but one conservative pundit raved about her debating skill, which had me momentarily concerned.

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#113 Aug 29 2008 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
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BrownDuck the Wise wrote:
Mindel wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
PunkFloyd, King of Bards wrote:
Of course the flip-side of this is that the Obama camp can't nail Palin (so to speak) on her lack of experience either.
Except they can. First off, Obama has years more state-wide experience than she does and years more federal experience (of which she has none). Obama has served on Senate committees and been privvy to contact in the foreign policy and national security departments. He's spoken at length with heads of state. His VP pick has at least as much experience as McCain (arguably more given Biden's committee assignments) whereas Palin has far less than Obama.

The best counter the GOP has (and they're already lamely trying this) is that Palin has executive experience from her 18 months or so as governor and stint as small-town mayor. Except if executive experience is the Holy Grail, McCain better step aside for his new Gal Friday because McCain has absolutely no exective experience either. I'd be interested to hear the tortured ratio of how many years in state office experience a year as mayor of 6,000 is worth. Just for comparison, Obama's old state senate district has over thirty-two times as many people as Wasilla, Alaska.
Remember how we used to talk about Dan Quayle with his 12 years of service in Congress as being woefully under-experienced to be president.

Ah, those were the days.


I didn't really give Quayle much thought. I was <13 at the time. Come to think of it, you weren't much older. Were you debating the finer points of Reagan policy with your grade school classmates as well? Smiley: tongue
My middle school had a huge mock election thing. In the weeks leading up to it, one day of every week was devoted to school-wide events highlighting what was going on in the election news, and we had several debates with members of our debate club arguing on behalf of various positions and candidates.

It was actually a lot of fun and, on the whole, my classmates and I were very hip to the current events of the time because of it.
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#114 Aug 29 2008 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
Mindel wrote:
Samira wrote:
Well, the fact that he was also dumb as a post helped make that case. Palin comes across as being moderately bright, at least.
I dunno. Listening to her speak this afternoon, she seemed to just be rambling. Not that it's a good indicator of intelligence, of course, but an orator she's definitely not and perception means a bunch. :/


Good! I haven't seen her speak yet, but one conservative pundit raved about her debating skill, which had me momentarily concerned.

As a New Yorker, her accent makes me giggle. But, yeah, at least in her little speech today she seemed to be struggling to follow her own stream of thought.
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#115 Aug 29 2008 at 11:15 AM Rating: Good
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BrownDuck the Wise wrote:
Remember how we used to talk about Dan Quayle with his 12 years of service in Congress as being woefully under-experienced to be president.

Ah, those were the days.


I didn't really give Quayle much thought. I was <13 at the time. Come to think of it, you weren't much older. Were you debating the finer points of Reagan policy with your grade school classmates as well? Smiley: tongue


Please, I'd have extended arguments with my teachers about the utter failure of supply side economics when I was nine. My grandpa taught me a few things. One of them was that Reagan sucked.

Also, Mulroney sucked too.

Edited, Aug 29th 2008 3:13pm by Annabella
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Commander Annabella wrote:
Please, I'd have extended arguments with my teachers about the utter failure of supply side economics when I was nine. My grandpa taught me a few things. One of them was that Reagan sucked.


I blame geographic disparity. Clearly east coast schools are more politically astute than those in Texas.
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#117 Aug 29 2008 at 11:17 AM Rating: Decent
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BrownDuck the Wise wrote:
Commander Annabella wrote:
Please, I'd have extended arguments with my teachers about the utter failure of supply side economics when I was nine. My grandpa taught me a few things. One of them was that Reagan sucked.


I blame geographic disparity. Clearly east coast schools are more politically astute than those in Texas.


I'm from Northern Maine. There isn't much that is astute about the County.
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#118 Aug 29 2008 at 11:21 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
one conservative pundit raved about her debating skill
Now that she's the VP nominee, the conservative pundits will hail her as the Fresh Queen of Conservatism. Of course, none of them were in her corner saying how awesome she was a week ago when they were all jizzing over Pawlenty and Romney.
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#119 Aug 29 2008 at 11:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Commander Annabella wrote:
I'm from Northern Maine. There isn't much that is astute about the County.


Put it this way: up until high school, the overwhelming majority of social studies that weren't occupied with general American history were occupied with Texas history. Current events was a minor distraction from the books, and rarely held any significant place in classroom discussions, at least until high school. By then, we were in the Clinton era.
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#120 Aug 29 2008 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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BrownDuck the Wise wrote:
Commander Annabella wrote:
I'm from Northern Maine. There isn't much that is astute about the County.


Put it this way: up until high school, the overwhelming majority of social studies that weren't occupied with general American history were occupied with Texas history. Current events was a minor distraction from the books, and rarely held any significant place in classroom discussions, at least until high school. By then, we were in the Clinton era.


People in my town were mainly interested in drinking to black out and then snow mobiling on lakes. There were so many random deaths in some retarded related accident. And they were almost all republicans. I just happen to have a Canadian Grandfather, who like Uglysasquatch, was bitter and hated Americans, but unlike him, wasn't a dirty Tory. He loved to teach me about politics. I liked big governments.
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#121 Aug 29 2008 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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BrownDuck the Wise wrote:
Commander Annabella wrote:
I'm from Northern Maine. There isn't much that is astute about the County.


Put it this way: up until high school, the overwhelming majority of social studies that weren't occupied with general American history were occupied with Texas history. Current events was a minor distraction from the books, and rarely held any significant place in classroom discussions, at least until high school. By then, we were in the Clinton era.


Some of us were already out of high school during the Clinton Era Smiley: mad
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#122 Aug 29 2008 at 11:35 AM Rating: Default
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I liked big governments.


and I cannot lie.
You otha brothas can't deny..


Sorry, had a moment there. I think part of the reason I never really embraced the party system was because it wasn't emphasized much in our curriculum, or at least not to the point where I had any real affinity for one party. It never made much sense to me to allow myself to agree with a group of people on any given topic based on affiliation alone, and while I know not all politicians are guilty of it, I perceive most to be.

Hell that's probably the best indicator yet of why I disagree with you people on so many things. I simply find myself unwilling to accept a conclusion just because the majority agree upon it.

It occurs to me that my statement bears little relevance to anything that was just said, and amounts to little more than rambling. Oops?

Edited, Aug 29th 2008 2:32pm by BrownDuck
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#123 Aug 29 2008 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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The problem to some extent is that we only have two major parties and even those need some realignment.
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#124 Aug 29 2008 at 11:39 AM Rating: Good
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shadomen wrote:
Some of us were already out of high school during the Clinton Era Smiley: mad


Old people are old. Smiley: frown
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
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Some of us were already out of high school during the Clinton Era Smiley: mad


Old people are old. Smiley: frown


Smiley: madSmiley: madSmiley: madSmiley: mad

Some of us were out of college during the Clinton era.
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#126 Aug 29 2008 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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BrownDuck the Wise wrote:
I think part of the reason I never really embraced the party system was because it wasn't emphasized much in our curriculum, or at least not to the point where I had any real affinity for one party. It never made much sense to me to allow myself to agree with a group of people on any given topic based on affiliation alone, and while I know not all politicians are guilty of it, I perceive most to be.

Hell that's probably the best indicator yet of why I disagree with you people on so many things. I simply find myself unwilling to accept a conclusion just because the majority agree upon it.


Know what's funny? My school never really delved too deep in the political mire, either, so I never really aligned myself with a party. I still don't really consider myself a Democrat or a Republican. I seem to agree the most with the Democratic party on the issues that I consider to be important, but if I was asked which party I belonged to, I would probably say neither out of habit.

Oh, and I find it reprehensible to vote one way or another simply because it's the party that you most identify with.
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