http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0125_050125_chimeras.html
"One doesn't have to be religious or into animal rights to think this doesn't make sense," he continued. "It's the scientists who want to do this. They've now gone over the edge into the pathological domain."
Pathological? Maybe, but you people don't have to ruin my fun, or my entire motivation of going into the field of biology. This also includes the creation of animal-animal hybrids. I've always thought of these things as fiction before, but now it seems I was right to choose biology as my major.
Alright, are the any real objections to this? I know there is some apparant controversy but so far have been unable to find any real reason why this shouldn't be. It is like a dream come true.
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I'm a human/horse hybrid.
If you get what I'm saying.
If you get what I'm saying.
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I don't see why this would benifit mankind, it could possibly do the opposite. And God damnit, we do not want Furries to have their dreams come true.
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I'm a human/horse hybrid.
If you get what I'm saying.
If you get what I'm saying.
Yeah, these hooves and tail tend to scare off the ladies.
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Would be nice in your RonalD McDonald horror story! I think I prefer Ligers.
I'm torn over this. On one hand, this could actually benefit mankind and in the meantime be really interesting (mice with human brains, hell yeah). On the other hand, I hate furries and I can't help but think they would love nothing better than this research to come to full fruition. Ah well, for the time being, I'm for it.
By they way, mchao, you might want to rephrase your signature to read "Reality is that which doesn't go away once you stop believing in it."
By they way, mchao, you might want to rephrase your signature to read "Reality is that which doesn't go away once you stop believing in it."
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Then it wouldn't be a quote, pedant-boy.
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If that's a quote, it's a shitty one.
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What exactly makes you the authority on quotes? Go back to reading John Grishamn and watching American Idol, skippy.
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That doesn't even make sense, douche. Christ, try thinking for a change. I feel like I'm talking to a semi-retarded dog that spends way too much time licking its balls.
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What? I thought we were playing a game where we assumed random things about each other. You started it. Now you're just confusing me. :(
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Nice conversation this thread has turned into... Between the two of you, it might be a good idea to take it to PMs or something.
Heh, was I the only one who thought Pinky and the Brain? This isn't just limited to animal-human hybrids though. Think about animal-animal hybrids! I wonder if they could make chocobos by mixing a canary with emus or something.
I've always dreamed of such things, but never imagined it would be this simplistic in nature. I always thought it would involve somehow manipulating the DNA of an embrio itself, never this.
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I'm torn over this. On one hand, this could actually benefit mankind and in the meantime be really interesting (mice with human brains, hell yeah).
Heh, was I the only one who thought Pinky and the Brain? This isn't just limited to animal-human hybrids though. Think about animal-animal hybrids! I wonder if they could make chocobos by mixing a canary with emus or something.
I've always dreamed of such things, but never imagined it would be this simplistic in nature. I always thought it would involve somehow manipulating the DNA of an embrio itself, never this.
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I'm definitly in favor of this research, aside from the stem cell possibilities that were mentioned in the report it also could eventually lead to giving humans the ability to regenate limbs. Plus I want cat ears ^_~.
Alright... Speaking as a graduate student in physiology with a heavy background in genetics, lemme make clear:
That rabbit/human hybrid was the infusing of human genetic material into a rabbit egg cell that had its genetic material removed. There was no fusing of rabbit and human DNA. No "Furries," which I understand to be rabbit/mouse/whatever humans. In fact, it probably would be much easier to create a "Furry" through prosthetic bionic ears/tails than through genetic manipulation.
The research going into creating pigs/mice with human cells and body parts can sound grotesque and unneccessary, but it's all part of helping us understand development and genes which regulate when/where body parts are grown. This in turn leads to more useful applications such as growing livers, hearts, lungs in animals for human transplant.
But enough on that... just so you don't have any misconceptions on becoming a biology major, let me fill you in on what you CAN'T do. Not now, not for another 20-30 years at least.
1. You cannot, through viral treatment or what have you, modify a fully developed individual's DNA. This means no growing cat ears, tails, extra limbs, etc. Once you pass the single cell stage, there is no viable option (at this time) to modify your developmental pathway.
2. It is not a simple thing to simply "grow" a tail or ears. There is no single gene for tail, or ears, or whatever. These limbs, body parts, are all part of a developmental program based on thousands of genes.
3. You cannot simply "mix" genetic material of different species together. Chromosome number for species is different, not to mention the inability.. oh damn there are just so many things wrong with that concept, just forget it. So that means no Ligers or Tigons or whatev.
4. Mutations, either by radiation or mutagenic substances, won't alter any organism besides giving it cancer. See 1 above. Mutations are by their nature random, and so the only way, say, the Fantastic Four came to be would entail the cosmic radiation (which exists, and is a big problem for astronauts,) creating the same mutation (not just deleterious ones like most are, helpful mutations) in every single cell of that human's body.
So you're right kuwoobie, its not that simple. The authors of that article failed to mention that a chimera in scientific terms simply means the fusing of two cells of a different species together. I think (i'm not certain... i work with plants and plants are much better to work with than animals) that in the case where there are two nuclei with different genetic material in the same cell, one is aborted or the entire cell aborts. Most of the successful examples of creating a chimeric cell are when the genetic material of one cell has been removed beforehand.
That rabbit/human hybrid was the infusing of human genetic material into a rabbit egg cell that had its genetic material removed. There was no fusing of rabbit and human DNA. No "Furries," which I understand to be rabbit/mouse/whatever humans. In fact, it probably would be much easier to create a "Furry" through prosthetic bionic ears/tails than through genetic manipulation.
The research going into creating pigs/mice with human cells and body parts can sound grotesque and unneccessary, but it's all part of helping us understand development and genes which regulate when/where body parts are grown. This in turn leads to more useful applications such as growing livers, hearts, lungs in animals for human transplant.
But enough on that... just so you don't have any misconceptions on becoming a biology major, let me fill you in on what you CAN'T do. Not now, not for another 20-30 years at least.
1. You cannot, through viral treatment or what have you, modify a fully developed individual's DNA. This means no growing cat ears, tails, extra limbs, etc. Once you pass the single cell stage, there is no viable option (at this time) to modify your developmental pathway.
2. It is not a simple thing to simply "grow" a tail or ears. There is no single gene for tail, or ears, or whatever. These limbs, body parts, are all part of a developmental program based on thousands of genes.
3. You cannot simply "mix" genetic material of different species together. Chromosome number for species is different, not to mention the inability.. oh damn there are just so many things wrong with that concept, just forget it. So that means no Ligers or Tigons or whatev.
4. Mutations, either by radiation or mutagenic substances, won't alter any organism besides giving it cancer. See 1 above. Mutations are by their nature random, and so the only way, say, the Fantastic Four came to be would entail the cosmic radiation (which exists, and is a big problem for astronauts,) creating the same mutation (not just deleterious ones like most are, helpful mutations) in every single cell of that human's body.
So you're right kuwoobie, its not that simple. The authors of that article failed to mention that a chimera in scientific terms simply means the fusing of two cells of a different species together. I think (i'm not certain... i work with plants and plants are much better to work with than animals) that in the case where there are two nuclei with different genetic material in the same cell, one is aborted or the entire cell aborts. Most of the successful examples of creating a chimeric cell are when the genetic material of one cell has been removed beforehand.
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I'm a human/horse hybrid.
If you get what I'm saying.
If you get what I'm saying.
Im an italian stallion <3 oh oh if u know what i mean
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3. You cannot simply "mix" genetic material of different species together. Chromosome number for species is different, not to mention the inability.. oh damn there are just so many things wrong with that concept, just forget it. So that means no Ligers or Tigons or whatev.
Actually, Ligers and Tigons are real:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=liger&btnG=Google+Search
Similarly, a mule is a cross between a horse and a donkey.
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3. You cannot simply "mix" genetic material of different species together. Chromosome number for species is different, not to mention the inability.. oh damn there are just so many things wrong with that concept, just forget it. So that means no Ligers or Tigons or whatev.
Yeah, everyone knows there are no Ligers or Tigons.
Or Mules.
Oh, wait.
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I'm neutral for this research, I feel that it's a big deal, but not a big deal...thus it balances itself out =). Regenerating Limbs is a plus (Would make for a cool and painful timely magic trick), and cat ears would be so spiffy..the catgirls at the Anime Conventions would be so completely jealous. XDD.
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WTF? Ligers and Tigons? Well shoot me in the head and dump me in a barrel of ****.
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/mole00/mole00598.htm
I stand corrected... animals with different chromosome number CAN breed, but their offspring remain sterile because of an uneven chromosome number-though there have been reports of fertile donkeys.
can anyone tell me why I'm a sage now? how does Karma work here?
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/mole00/mole00598.htm
I stand corrected... animals with different chromosome number CAN breed, but their offspring remain sterile because of an uneven chromosome number-though there have been reports of fertile donkeys.
can anyone tell me why I'm a sage now? how does Karma work here?
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But enough on that... just so you don't have any misconceptions on becoming a biology major, let me fill you in on what you CAN'T do. Not now, not for another 20-30 years at least.
1. You cannot, through viral treatment or what have you, modify a fully developed individual's DNA. This means no growing cat ears, tails, extra limbs, etc. Once you pass the single cell stage, there is no viable option (at this time) to modify your developmental pathway.
2. It is not a simple thing to simply "grow" a tail or ears. There is no single gene for tail, or ears, or whatever. These limbs, body parts, are all part of a developmental program based on thousands of genes.
3. You cannot simply "mix" genetic material of different species together. Chromosome number for species is different, not to mention the inability.. oh damn there are just so many things wrong with that concept, just forget it. So that means no Ligers or Tigons or whatev.
4. Mutations, either by radiation or mutagenic substances, won't alter any organism besides giving it cancer. See 1 above. Mutations are by their nature random, and so the only way, say, the Fantastic Four came to be would entail the cosmic radiation (which exists, and is a big problem for astronauts,) creating the same mutation (not just deleterious ones like most are, helpful mutations) in every single cell of that human's body.
So you're right kuwoobie, its not that simple. The authors of that article failed to mention that a chimera in scientific terms simply means the fusing of two cells of a different species together. I think (i'm not certain... i work with plants and plants are much better to work with than animals) that in the case where there are two nuclei with different genetic material in the same cell, one is aborted or the entire cell aborts. Most of the successful examples of creating a chimeric cell are when the genetic material of one cell has been removed beforehand.
1. You cannot, through viral treatment or what have you, modify a fully developed individual's DNA. This means no growing cat ears, tails, extra limbs, etc. Once you pass the single cell stage, there is no viable option (at this time) to modify your developmental pathway.
2. It is not a simple thing to simply "grow" a tail or ears. There is no single gene for tail, or ears, or whatever. These limbs, body parts, are all part of a developmental program based on thousands of genes.
3. You cannot simply "mix" genetic material of different species together. Chromosome number for species is different, not to mention the inability.. oh damn there are just so many things wrong with that concept, just forget it. So that means no Ligers or Tigons or whatev.
4. Mutations, either by radiation or mutagenic substances, won't alter any organism besides giving it cancer. See 1 above. Mutations are by their nature random, and so the only way, say, the Fantastic Four came to be would entail the cosmic radiation (which exists, and is a big problem for astronauts,) creating the same mutation (not just deleterious ones like most are, helpful mutations) in every single cell of that human's body.
So you're right kuwoobie, its not that simple. The authors of that article failed to mention that a chimera in scientific terms simply means the fusing of two cells of a different species together. I think (i'm not certain... i work with plants and plants are much better to work with than animals) that in the case where there are two nuclei with different genetic material in the same cell, one is aborted or the entire cell aborts. Most of the successful examples of creating a chimeric cell are when the genetic material of one cell has been removed beforehand.
Hmmm... I never claimed to be a furry, nor do I like that sort of thing. What interests me is the potential to create new species entierly. Not just as human-animal hybrids, but animal-animal.
This also helps me to realize the power of stem cells. What kind of research I could do on my own after it's been outlawed and discontinued by everyone else at the whim of uber-religious usurpers of democracy. The problem is gathering sufficient private funding through other fronts.
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The stem-cell research ban seems to be gaining strength here in America, but in many countries it is legal, with restrictions. England and the other European nations, despite having this weird adversity to genetically modified organisms, is going ahead with stem cell research. Same goes for China, Japan, India, etc. I dunno about Canada though.
But if stem cell research is banned here in the US, that means any research, not just state-funded research, is banned. You'd have to go undercover, bat-cave like. That would be awesome. Get some billionare to fund your crazy research and make a secret research lab somewhere. Or take the money and run, which is what I'd do.
Historically any opposition to new scientific procedures clears up after people get a better understanding of the facts (or the propaganda, as long as the government supports it). Examples would be the vaccine, nuclear power, and genetically modified organisms.
Did you know more than 60% of all corn and soybean grown in the US is genetically modified? Politicians and lobbyists were able to blow over those issues because frankly, the average american doesn't really care about farmers or where their food comes from. But once you get into the moral issues of killing baby cells... whoa, watch out.
Now me... I support genetically modified organism research because 1. it's part of my own thesis 2. there is so much to learn from studying modified organisms 3. it can and has helped the nutritional diet of developing nations 4. GMO's can become a cheap source of medicines, vaccines, and other medical supplies.
I DON'T support the huge monopoly that agricultural companies have over intelectual property rights, nor the strangle hold they have on the current seed market. I also don't support the government white-washing the legitimate issues behind GMO's, such as health risks, and refusing to educate the public on why GMO's are good and bad.
The stem cell issue is a little different however, because of its moral implications. I always thought this stem-cell banning stuff would blow over like the GMO's (for better or for worse), but it hasn't....it's too close to the abortion issue. I mean, if your religion clearly states that life begins at conception then YES, you have a clear reason why you oppose stem cell research. No one can argue with that, and it IS a very sensitive issue if the gov't should fund research that a large part of the population feels is amoral.
But can stem cell research save lives? Yes, yes it can. Should the gov't ban research that could potentially save thousands, millions? I feel that these arguments ultimately condense to how closely you associate yourself with the thought that life begins at conception or the medical ideal that millions can be saved from this research. One side will never convince the other, because you're dealing with such a fundamental religious issue.
But if stem cell research is banned here in the US, that means any research, not just state-funded research, is banned. You'd have to go undercover, bat-cave like. That would be awesome. Get some billionare to fund your crazy research and make a secret research lab somewhere. Or take the money and run, which is what I'd do.
Historically any opposition to new scientific procedures clears up after people get a better understanding of the facts (or the propaganda, as long as the government supports it). Examples would be the vaccine, nuclear power, and genetically modified organisms.
Did you know more than 60% of all corn and soybean grown in the US is genetically modified? Politicians and lobbyists were able to blow over those issues because frankly, the average american doesn't really care about farmers or where their food comes from. But once you get into the moral issues of killing baby cells... whoa, watch out.
Now me... I support genetically modified organism research because 1. it's part of my own thesis 2. there is so much to learn from studying modified organisms 3. it can and has helped the nutritional diet of developing nations 4. GMO's can become a cheap source of medicines, vaccines, and other medical supplies.
I DON'T support the huge monopoly that agricultural companies have over intelectual property rights, nor the strangle hold they have on the current seed market. I also don't support the government white-washing the legitimate issues behind GMO's, such as health risks, and refusing to educate the public on why GMO's are good and bad.
The stem cell issue is a little different however, because of its moral implications. I always thought this stem-cell banning stuff would blow over like the GMO's (for better or for worse), but it hasn't....it's too close to the abortion issue. I mean, if your religion clearly states that life begins at conception then YES, you have a clear reason why you oppose stem cell research. No one can argue with that, and it IS a very sensitive issue if the gov't should fund research that a large part of the population feels is amoral.
But can stem cell research save lives? Yes, yes it can. Should the gov't ban research that could potentially save thousands, millions? I feel that these arguments ultimately condense to how closely you associate yourself with the thought that life begins at conception or the medical ideal that millions can be saved from this research. One side will never convince the other, because you're dealing with such a fundamental religious issue.
Yes, you can have naturally-occurring offspring between two different species with similar chromosomal structure, but their offspring will always be sterile. You won't get any tiger-frogs, though.
Pig & Elephant DNA just won't splice, though.
Pig & Elephant DNA just won't splice, though.
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anyone looking back at pinky and the brain...
Soon the rats will takeover and all your human preservation research will have gone to waste!!!!!!
Soon the rats will takeover and all your human preservation research will have gone to waste!!!!!!
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